Public Address | Cafe | Cracker: Send in the Clowns https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210510#post210510 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210510#post210510 Tue, 19 Apr 2011 15:41:54 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210496#post210496 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210496#post210496 The DomPost’s TV Week, which is published on Tuesday, now includes TV7. Lobbying works.

Amazing!

]]> Tue, 19 Apr 2011 14:09:00 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210474#post210474 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210474#post210474 Tue, 19 Apr 2011 12:02:07 +1200 Damian Christie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210444#post210444 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210444#post210444 Tue, 19 Apr 2011 09:33:32 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210435#post210435 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210435#post210435 bloody well, too

Couple of typos but.

]]> Mon, 18 Apr 2011 23:21:18 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210419#post210419 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210419#post210419 I commented.

You tell 'em, Russ!

]]> Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:32:24 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210418#post210418 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210418#post210418 I commented

bloody well, too

]]> Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:19:11 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210416#post210416 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210416#post210416 She Whom We We're Too Pissed Off to Name.
Fixed.

]]> Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:03:04 +1200 giovanni tiso https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210415#post210415 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210415#post210415 I hazard a guess it's yet another J

B
spout-fest

She Whom We Can't Be Arsed to Name. ]]> Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:48:29 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210408#post210408 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210408#post210408 Mon, 18 Apr 2011 11:33:26 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210404#post210404 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210404#post210404 The Listener editorial is now online. I couldn't possibly comment.

I hazard a guess it's yet another J

B

spout-fest written from behind a gated community comfort blanket (the name I explicitly refuse to print). If so, she's the J--- R

of the Listener. Would she prefer a News of…

]]> Mon, 18 Apr 2011 10:22:54 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210401#post210401 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210401#post210401 The Listener editorial is now online. I couldn't possibly comment.

http://www.listener.co.nz/commentary/editorial/paying-the-piper/

]]> Mon, 18 Apr 2011 10:03:30 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210347#post210347 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210347#post210347 throwing around numbers without really knowing what they meant

next career step, member of parliament

]]> Sat, 16 Apr 2011 17:49:29 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210346#post210346 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210346#post210346 Hang on. The statistical comparison was copied, not the text, per se.

Quite. Not plagiarism. But the copying of a nonsense statistic demonstrates that the author of the editorial was just throwing around numbers without really knowing what they meant. Poor.

]]> Sat, 16 Apr 2011 17:46:32 +1200 3410 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210345#post210345 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210345#post210345 statistical comparison was copied, not the text, per se. ]]> Sat, 16 Apr 2011 17:22:04 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210343#post210343 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210343#post210343 Sat, 16 Apr 2011 17:06:41 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210333#post210333 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210333#post210333 I'm going to make an effort to stay civil about this ... copy-pasting a statistic straight from another publication's editorial column is poor. When the statistic itself is a non-sequitir, it's just embarrassing.

Plagiarism is a Press Council offence, if I'm not much mistaken.

]]> Sat, 16 Apr 2011 16:36:48 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210289#post210289 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210289#post210289 Then you’ll be thrilled to see that “information” copy-pasted into today’s Listener editorial.

I'm going to make an effort to stay civil about this ... copy-pasting a statistic straight from another publication's editorial column is poor. When the statistic itself is a non-sequitir, it's just embarrassing.

The rest of the…

]]> Sat, 16 Apr 2011 10:28:29 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210269#post210269 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210269#post210269 Fri, 15 Apr 2011 21:26:14 +1200 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210268#post210268 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210268#post210268 Fri, 15 Apr 2011 21:20:46 +1200 Geoff Lealand https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210142#post210142 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210142#post210142 Fri, 15 Apr 2011 12:41:55 +1200 3410 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210136#post210136 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210136#post210136 Just posted a comment regarding the dim-witted New Zealand Horrid editorial. They obviously understand zilch about ratings.

Then you'll be thrilled to see that "information" copy-pasted into today's Listener editorial.

]]> Fri, 15 Apr 2011 12:18:28 +1200 Geoff Lealand https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210134#post210134 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210134#post210134 And here it is mentioned.

The Open Letter is getting some good attention. Pleased to see how some of my academics colleagues have pulled finger on this issue.

Just posted a comment regarding the dim-witted New Zealand Horrid editorial. They obviously understand zilch about ratings.

]]> Fri, 15 Apr 2011 12:13:07 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210126#post210126 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210126#post210126 Geri-attrition...?
re: that list of TV viewer age / demographic survey breakdowns.
I can't believe there is no 60+, or beyond, there has to be a big wave hitting the offshore economic bell curve buoys just about now...
...backed by a lot of spending clout, an implacable force pushing all…

]]> Fri, 15 Apr 2011 11:45:58 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210095#post210095 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210095#post210095 Fri, 15 Apr 2011 10:44:40 +1200 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210067#post210067 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210067#post210067 And here it is mentioned.
Thanks Myles Thomas for the petition info. It prompted me to sign and send a word to John Key,Joyce and Coleman.Trouble is emailing them is so hard to do nicely like suggested ;)

]]> Fri, 15 Apr 2011 08:58:13 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210051#post210051 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=210051#post210051 Fri, 15 Apr 2011 00:33:21 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209890#post209890 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209890#post209890 the impending apostrophe cap...
whove… snort
it behooves to behave....
all else is apostrophic apostasy
:- )

or is it an omission impossible?
...signalling the end for those who are
possessive of their Apostrophy Wife

]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 13:07:17 +1200 Geoff Lealand https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209821#post209821 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209821#post209821 Thu, 14 Apr 2011 08:29:31 +1200 Myles Thomas https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209806#post209806 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209806#post209806 Thu, 14 Apr 2011 00:59:40 +1200 Myles Thomas https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209800#post209800 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209800#post209800 Thu, 14 Apr 2011 00:26:44 +1200 Myles Thomas https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209799#post209799 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209799#post209799 Yes the online petition is at www.savetvnz7.co.nz
Get the word out too... we need loads of signatures

]]> Thu, 14 Apr 2011 00:18:34 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209670#post209670 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209670#post209670 It’s an historical oddity, and I believe a reasonably lucrative one.

And just plain wrong if you ask me. Commercial channels benefit by having people tune in to their offerings and therefore it should be treated as advertising. Public broadcasting is, by definition, a public service paid for by the…

]]> Wed, 13 Apr 2011 13:11:56 +1200 Damian Christie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209657#post209657 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209657#post209657 Wed, 13 Apr 2011 12:29:46 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209624#post209624 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209624#post209624 Wed, 13 Apr 2011 11:25:34 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209595#post209595 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209595#post209595 papers are charged for publishing the listings. But certainly not with TVNZ 7. It’s pretty complex and I don’t really want to get into it,

I, for one, would find that subject interesting. Mainly because the listings for a commercial channel should be classified as advertising whereas listings for a…

]]> Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:23:48 +1200 Damian Christie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209592#post209592 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209592#post209592 And he has a foot on both eggshells, as it were. Brave

Who? Huh? Whaa?

]]> Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:21:27 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209590#post209590 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209590#post209590 I assume it was the Merv Wellington story you were referring to?

Nope. More generalised. I understand the production-end logic, but it's a relief to hear at least some content is being preserved in the form that it was screened. That's what audiences remember.

Eventually, I imagine current facial-recognition and…

]]> Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:15:53 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209589#post209589 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209589#post209589 trod on enough eggshells

And he has a foot on both eggshells, as it were. Brave.

]]> Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:13:31 +1200 Damian Christie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209582#post209582 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209582#post209582 If you're interested, here's the Archive shotlist for that story with all the names – this refers to the original story, which I have edited down considerably, so people listed might be missing:

00:00 GV Merv Wellington, Minister of Education in primary classroom, children sitting on mat, Merv Wellington shakes…

]]> Wed, 13 Apr 2011 09:57:36 +1200 Damian Christie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209580#post209580 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209580#post209580 Wed, 13 Apr 2011 09:55:53 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209577#post209577 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209577#post209577 Apparently APN/Herald management were hostile to carrying the new channels’ listings per se, on the basis that “no one’s going to watch them anyway” – which speaks of nothing so much as pointless corporate hostility, but does cast an interesting light on that nasty little editorial.

Who wrote that petty…

]]> Wed, 13 Apr 2011 09:52:04 +1200 Damian Christie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209576#post209576 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209576#post209576 Wed, 13 Apr 2011 09:50:31 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209575#post209575 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209575#post209575 APN tried to use them as leverage to get a better deal

And let me guess, no one has reported this to the public or responsible Minister?

]]> Wed, 13 Apr 2011 09:50:14 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209574#post209574 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209574#post209574 keys are usually inserted live at the time of broadcast, over top of the story, and unless an ‘ex-air’ copy of the show is recorded, they disappear.

Interesting. Are more recent archives ex-air or is this a persistent flaw in the way the TV industry uses identifying labels?

]]> Wed, 13 Apr 2011 09:49:01 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209572#post209572 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209572#post209572 whove... snort. Hoist with your own petard methinks.

But what else could that word (and sentence) mean? I'd say it was a success.

]]> Wed, 13 Apr 2011 09:45:51 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209567#post209567 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209567#post209567 In some cases I believe it’s the other way around – i.e papers are charged for publishing the listings. But certainly not with TVNZ 7. It’s pretty complex and I don’t really want to get into it, but I think there’s a link between the two things – i.e. having… ]]> Wed, 13 Apr 2011 09:22:40 +1200 Damian Christie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209565#post209565 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209565#post209565 Wed, 13 Apr 2011 09:07:23 +1200 Damian Christie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209564#post209564 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209564#post209564 But if you can, please can you put some screen labels on your commentators each time they appear.

If you’re talking about the guests I interview, they are all keyed (key = “screen labels”) and introduced by name. As for the people inside the stories themselves, the keys are generally…

]]> Wed, 13 Apr 2011 09:06:22 +1200 Geoff Lealand https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209563#post209563 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209563#post209563 Wed, 13 Apr 2011 09:03:13 +1200 Damian Christie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209562#post209562 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209562#post209562 Do the papers charge to carry the listings, though?

In some cases I believe it's the other way around – i.e papers are charged for publishing the listings. But certainly not with TVNZ 7. It's pretty complex and I don't really want to get into it, but I think there's…

]]> Wed, 13 Apr 2011 09:00:26 +1200 David Hood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209561#post209561 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209561#post209561 When my twelve year old daughter was reading High School prospectuses late last year, she was noting grammatical errors in them (and the actual enrollment forms) as she went.
But then, as she said to me while I was writing something the other evening, "You know, you should really use…

]]> Wed, 13 Apr 2011 08:35:20 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209556#post209556 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209556#post209556 Unless he was being deliberately ironic, or something?

Well, deliberate.

]]> Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:58:41 +1200 Thomas Johnson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209554#post209554 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209554#post209554 whove... snort. Hoist with your own petard methinks.

Unless he was being deliberately ironic, or something?

]]> Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:52:50 +1200 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209543#post209543 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209543#post209543 edited writings) so as to allow automatic grammatical tagging of the text, and to allow (as far as possible) automatic word searches… ]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:41:00 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209540#post209540 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209540#post209540 I believe 99 out of 10 people whove mastered the possessive apostrophes complexities know nothing of historical inflections,

whove... snort. Hoist with your own petard methinks.
;-)

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 22:58:58 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209539#post209539 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209539#post209539 Tue, 12 Apr 2011 22:48:26 +1200 Martin Lindberg https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209527#post209527 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209527#post209527 I believe 99 out of 10 people whove mastered

And that's just how easy it is! Maths on the other hand... ;-)

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 20:40:54 +1200 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209526#post209526 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209526#post209526 Very few chose to use them, including newspapers that will run listings for Sky channels with much smaller audiences.

Do the papers charge to carry the listings, though? (I know that in the UK at least, it cost money to have a paper carry a non-FTSE100 companies stock price).

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 20:37:29 +1200 Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209525#post209525 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209525#post209525 Tue, 12 Apr 2011 20:29:15 +1200 Jackie Clark https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209512#post209512 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209512#post209512 Tue, 12 Apr 2011 18:10:31 +1200 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209510#post209510 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209510#post209510 we get alot [sic] of women for whom English is a secondary language
… and after a few years of marking ESL output, nativelike errors start to look OK?
(I have to confess to being an utter pedant; but I try not to correct everything in my students’ first drafts:…

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:56:46 +1200 Geoff Lealand https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209508#post209508 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209508#post209508 Media7 has won “best digital only TV show on Freeview” and “best TV show on a channel on Freeview”

Great. At last a vote that counts.

On grammar. I try to avoid being a pedant but when you read hundreds of student essay and assess dozens of presentations every semester,…

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:49:52 +1200 Jacqui Dunn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209506#post209506 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209506#post209506 6000 people is too many to be standing in my front yard

Pedant here again. I wouldn't say that. I'd say "6,000 people are too many to be, etc." Like, there are 6,000 people, and that (fact) is that too many...... (trails off, wondering, is this the thread talking about…

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:44:02 +1200 Jackie Clark https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209503#post209503 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209503#post209503 Fair enough. As long as you wouldn’t take the same approach with a student.

That's a hard one. With teaching students, we get alot of women for whom English is a secondary language. If their grammar is completely horrendous, I say something. Otherwise, it's the content I'm more interested in.

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:41:14 +1200 Jacqui Dunn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209501#post209501 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209501#post209501 I remind myself that I don’t really care, and last night I wrote a paragraph about how I don’t care about the less/fewer thing…

Mmm. Just say "I couldn't care fewer".

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:38:52 +1200 Damian Christie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209500#post209500 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209500#post209500 After all, she’s a great head teacher, and a fantastic team member, so why would I want to hurt her feelings

Fair enough. As long as you wouldn't take the same approach with a student.

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:38:14 +1200 Jackie Clark https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209485#post209485 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209485#post209485 I think we probably agree about the relative importance of the message vs the grammar/spelling – as long as we agree that the latter has some importance…

I used to be very judgey about grammar and spelling. But I have a head teacher who has dreadful spelling, and horrendous syntax.…

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:48:26 +1200 Ken Sparks https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209477#post209477 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209477#post209477 Media7 has won “best digital only TV show on Freeview” and “best TV show on a channel on Freeview” in the 2011 Freeview Awards. Back Benches runner up in both categories.

Well deserved – congratulations to the teams behind both shows.
More ammo for the Save TVNZ7 campaign...

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:25:42 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209476#post209476 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209476#post209476 Chuffed

rightfully

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:24:10 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209475#post209475 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209475#post209475 we agree that the latter has some importance

certainly – or no message would be understandable

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:23:44 +1200 Damian Christie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209469#post209469 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209469#post209469 So, basically, you do care. ;)

Yeah, basically. :) But in context. I don't care more than I care about a lot of things.

@Sacha – I'm not trying to be pedantic, but I guess that depends on what 'the message' is. I just made a very similar point to…

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:17:25 +1200 recordari https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209463#post209463 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209463#post209463 So we both beat Close Up and Campbell Live ;-)

Chuffed.

Congrats. Ratings are not a reflection of quality. More evidence at 9.15pm Thursday.

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:55:00 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209457#post209457 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209457#post209457 But I don't agree (paraphrasing @Sacha, say) that understanding the communication is all that matters.

You'll note I was talking about nitpicking, as over "less" vs "fewer". I really do not care how someone gets the message across so long as it gets across. Still room for beauty and diversity…

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:37:35 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209452#post209452 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209452#post209452 Just official now: Media7 has won "best digital only TV show on Freeview" and "best TV show on a channel on Freeview" in the 2011 Freeview Awards. Back Benches runner up in both categories.

So we both beat Close Up and Campbell Live ;-)

Chuffed.

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:31:52 +1200 3410 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209451#post209451 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209451#post209451 But I don't agree (paraphrasing @Sacha, say) that understanding the communication is all that matters. That is a bit of a slippery slope, and I'd hate to lose all those lovely distinctions that make our language beautiful. If we don't value them, they don't get passed on or picked up,… ]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:31:43 +1200 Damian Christie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209448#post209448 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209448#post209448 For the record, I don't care that much either, I just needed a pithy third point. :)

I do find people (the editorial in Perigo's first show is a great example – teachers who fail to impart such knowledge are 'child molesters' – good grief) banging on about it a…

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:22:27 +1200 Fooman https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209410#post209410 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209410#post209410 The country is bloody awash with overpriced Laphroiag. There are better whiskies you could spent $108 on, for serious.

It's not overpriced when the importer starts selling the 10 year for ~$50 bucks per 700 ml bottle every now and then – I'm quite happy to pick up a couple…

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 13:13:27 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209391#post209391 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209391#post209391 I don't really care much, either

+1

Providing you can understand what's being communicated, I have little tolerance for nitpicking.

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:29:03 +1200 Jake Pollock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209390#post209390 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209390#post209390 It’s an arbitrary and relatively modern distinction anyway, made for aesthetic rather than grammatical reasons in the late eighteenth century.

Appearing in a quote in Language Log:

The OED shows that less has been used of countables since the time of King Alfred the Great – he used it that…

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:27:14 +1200 Josh Addison https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209382#post209382 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209382#post209382 You can tell it's not a single bulk amount because you don't say "6000 people is".

Again, depends on context – you'd say "6000 people are standing in my front yard", but "6000 people is too many to be standing in my front yard", or indeed "6000 people isn't a…

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 11:46:56 +1200 Emma Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209379#post209379 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209379#post209379

You may be right, but I'm still not sure.

He is right. You can tell it's not a single bulk amount because you don't say "6000 people is".

But. I remind myself that I don't really care, and last night I wrote a paragraph about how I don't care about…

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 11:38:03 +1200 Josh Addison https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209378#post209378 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209378#post209378 You may be right, but I'm still not sure. I've seen quite a few instances of people hyper-correcting "less" to "fewer" recently – perhaps I'm over-reacting to their over-reactions...

To add fuel to the flames, a grammatical defence of the hated "10 Items or Less" supermarket signs...

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 11:32:25 +1200 3410 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209377#post209377 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209377#post209377 Jumping on the grammar pedant train (Tech Writer, whaddaya gonna do?), I'm pretty sure "less than" is correct in that context. While it's usually "less" for mass nouns and "fewer" for count nouns, when you have a quantity of count nouns that's being treated as a single bulk amount, you… ]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 11:27:04 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209376#post209376 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209376#post209376 This one is only $109 but that is still the price of a decent bottle of Scotch ;-)

The country is bloody awash with overpriced Laphroiag. There are better whiskies you could spent $108 on, for serious.

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 11:27:01 +1200 Josh Addison https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209375#post209375 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209375#post209375 Tue, 12 Apr 2011 11:14:28 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209373#post209373 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209373#post209373 BTW, TV Guide does publish TVNZ 6 & 7 listings. Not terribly expansive, but it is there.

TV Guide are champs. They also regularly feature a clip from NZ On Screen.

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 11:10:47 +1200 3410 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209371#post209371 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209371#post209371 I've confirmed that from launch TVNZ 6 and 7 listings were made available at no charge to newspapers and other media.

They could still have offered, say, a weekly PDF of TVNZ 6 & 7 listings. If they have, I can't find it.

BTW, TV Guide does publish TVNZ 6 & 7…

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 11:02:14 +1200 Jackie Clark https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209370#post209370 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209370#post209370 Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:59:57 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209367#post209367 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209367#post209367 A bit like gardening.
(I don’t do that either) ;-)

Well, we have that in common. Although Damian does do the gardening ...

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:53:48 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209365#post209365 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209365#post209365 I find it highly useful, stimulating and very often jolly good fun.

A bit like gardening.
(I don't do that either) ;-)

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:51:38 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209364#post209364 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209364#post209364 I’ve confirmed that from launch TVNZ 6 and 7 listings were made available at no charge to newspapers and other media.

Thing is Russell, media companies compete for advertising and advertising your opposition is still advertising. I would be interested in how much Sky "pays" for the listings to be…

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:49:54 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209362#post209362 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209362#post209362 I concur, Twitter is aptly named I think, just a bunch of people twittering, it’s like white noise, like the meaningless squiggles on the on the monitor of the Matrix.

I find it highly useful, stimulating and very often jolly good fun.

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:46:59 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209360#post209360 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209360#post209360 Righto ...

I've confirmed that from launch TVNZ 6 and 7 listings were made available at no charge to newspapers and other media.

Very few chose to use them, including newspapers that will run listings for Sky channels with much smaller audiences. Make of that what you will.

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:45:28 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209359#post209359 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209359#post209359 I’m in exactly the same boat as you in terms of twitter.

That would be a Squid boat then.
I concur, Twitter is aptly named I think, just a bunch of people twittering, it's like white noise, like the meaningless squiggles on the on the monitor of the Matrix.

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:44:14 +1200 Damian Christie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209336#post209336 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209336#post209336 Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:11:42 +1200 Damian Christie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209333#post209333 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209333#post209333 Lindsay Perigo is hilarious. My favourite bit was when he called teachers ‘child molesters of the mind’. Christmas dinner with him must be lots of fun

Ha! I was actually going to quote that bit as well. I think I may have actually spent a Xmas dinner with Linds, back…

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 08:54:35 +1200 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209318#post209318 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209318#post209318 Tue, 12 Apr 2011 01:04:00 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209317#post209317 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209317#post209317 *None of you have actually realised you are chatting with an intelligent squid?

Ahh, reminds me of the time you could buy a decent bottle of Scotch for Sick Squid.
Geddit? Six... oh you did. Never mind... ;-)
{puts on pyjamas and goes to bed}

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 00:38:00 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209316#post209316 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209316#post209316 National: we put the N in cuts.

You bet your sweet ASS ets

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 00:32:23 +1200 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209315#post209315 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209315#post209315 Hangs appendages in shame*- soorrreee


*None of you have actually realised you are chatting with an intelligent squid?
Eh?
(Retires back under the rock...)

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 00:31:58 +1200 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209314#post209314 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209314#post209314 Tue, 12 Apr 2011 00:29:38 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209313#post209313 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209313#post209313 o fuffing EGGS!

Language Dear, language ;-)

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 00:28:28 +1200 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209312#post209312 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209312#post209312 National:
The party of tax cuts.
The party of public service cuts.
The party of privately cut deals.
National: we put the N in cuts.

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 00:25:59 +1200 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209311#post209311 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209311#post209311 Yup.
They ("Freeview" – HAH) dont cover wee primitive areas like here – and as for Nats
– you are so restrained, mate! I'd call em (huffing up, getting more & more vitriolic) o fuffing EGGS!

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 00:16:53 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209310#post209310 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209310#post209310 Whisky and More
Even more money for the satellite set-up ;-)
I was just looking at the DVB-T transmitter sites, I always thought that when they launched Freeview they told us that it would cover 95% of the country. This now is “rephrased” as [[http://www.freeviewshop.co.nz/digital-terrestrial-i-8.html | 75% of…

]]> Tue, 12 Apr 2011 00:08:04 +1200 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209309#post209309 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209309#post209309 Mon, 11 Apr 2011 23:26:24 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209307#post209307 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209307#post209307 This one is only $109 but that is still the price of a decent bottle of Scotch ;-) ]]> Mon, 11 Apr 2011 23:22:35 +1200 Samuel Scott https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209306#post209306 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209306#post209306 Mon, 11 Apr 2011 23:17:47 +1200 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209305#post209305 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209305#post209305 Mon, 11 Apr 2011 23:16:45 +1200 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209304#post209304 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209304#post209304 Mon, 11 Apr 2011 23:14:32 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209302#post209302 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209302#post209302 Yeah! Local electronics store!

Well, I was being a bit tongue in cheek there, I know where you live ;-)
This is what you need, The ultraplus-900hd-micro-digital-satellite-receiver/pvr to get Freeview down there. For $379.95 you can order it on line. And it records too.
Worth looking into.
:-)…

]]> Mon, 11 Apr 2011 23:06:09 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209298#post209298 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209298#post209298 TWITTER = FRITTER wasted energy
Au contraire, Twitter is the most efficient human intelligence network I've ever seen

]]> Mon, 11 Apr 2011 22:53:06 +1200 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209294#post209294 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209294#post209294 ’Nother big -7.1 – earthquake off Honshu-
According to USGS it’s now been downgraded to 6.6.
But the more worrying thing is, that quake and a few other aftershocks immediately following it were just about right underneath Fukushima No. 1 plant, knocking out power to the pumps for 45 minutes…

]]> Mon, 11 Apr 2011 22:47:29 +1200 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209290#post209290 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209290#post209290 Mon, 11 Apr 2011 22:27:06 +1200 Ken Sparks https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209289#post209289 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209289#post209289 By then TVNZ7 will more than likely be gone.

Not necessarily – if enough people want it to stay and grow...

]]> Mon, 11 Apr 2011 22:05:36 +1200 Ken Sparks https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209288#post209288 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209288#post209288

Were you there for the infamous “domino” set collapse?

Nothing to do with me…honest.

]]> Mon, 11 Apr 2011 22:00:53 +1200 George Darroch https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209287#post209287 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209287#post209287

Quite independent of mine and Damian’s interests, it’s worthwhile if you can afford a -sub$200 decoder or a $450+ Freeview-integrated TV

It'll happen, eventually. That's a purchase decision I out of my hands for the moment. By then TVNZ7 will more than likely be gone.

]]> Mon, 11 Apr 2011 21:53:04 +1200 Jacqui Dunn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209285#post209285 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209285#post209285 Third, it’s “fewer”, not less.

Bless you.

Oh, yes, I said "Hooray!" when I read that.

]]> Mon, 11 Apr 2011 21:25:54 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209284#post209284 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209284#post209284 I remember working out there as a casual stagehand 30 odd years ago – helping to put up the ‘Close to Home’ set in that state of the art studio.
RIP Avalon…

OMG! Were you there for the infamous "domino" set collapse?

]]> Mon, 11 Apr 2011 21:22:29 +1200 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209282#post209282 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209282#post209282 Mon, 11 Apr 2011 21:11:53 +1200 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209281#post209281 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209281#post209281 Yeah! Local electronics store!
CHCH – or elsewhere!

]]> Mon, 11 Apr 2011 21:08:47 +1200 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209280#post209280 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209280#post209280 Mon, 11 Apr 2011 21:04:43 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209279#post209279 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209279#post209279 TVNZ 7 is without a doubt less popular than those other channels. It has almost zero promotion and a budget to match. It doesn’t appear in listings in newspapers or The Listener. And the programmes aren’t your usual commercial fare.
Says it all really, like planned to fail because "It…

]]> Mon, 11 Apr 2011 21:02:20 +1200 Emma Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209276#post209276 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209276#post209276 Islander: go here,

http://twitter.com/

and just sign up. I do the vast majority of my (ridiculously prolific) tweeting from the web page.

]]> Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:47:28 +1200 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209273#post209273 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209273#post209273 O? How?


'Nother big -7.1 – earthquake off Honshu-

]]> Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:33:53 +1200 jessica scott https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209271#post209271 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209271#post209271 Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:25:31 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209270#post209270 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209270#post209270 Ur, I understood that was the base? The requisite?

nope. anything that can access te internet will do

]]> Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:23:23 +1200 Ken Sparks https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209267#post209267 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209267#post209267 I remember working out there as a casual stagehand 30 odd years ago – helping to put up the 'Close to Home' set in that state of the art studio.
RIP Avalon...

]]> Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:01:18 +1200 Meghan Hughes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209265#post209265 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209265#post209265 Alas, we only ever get tv3 on our awful reception (and even that is peppery and snowy so you _really_ wanna watch something to put up with it). But I did watch Back Benches on demand. I truly did.

But, on the bright side, the official Back Benches beer mugs…

]]> Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:54:56 +1200 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209264#post209264 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209264#post209264 Who knows?
I spent rather a lot of energy & life out there. Got 3 good short stories from the esperience tho'-

]]> Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:46:16 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209262#post209262 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209262#post209262 Avalon Studios is drawing its last curtain. We just hope it won't all go to waste. ]]> Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:42:27 +1200 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209260#post209260 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209260#post209260 Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:23:11 +1200 Jackie Clark https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209259#post209259 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209259#post209259 Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:21:23 +1200 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209258#post209258 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209258#post209258 Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:18:18 +1200 Jackie Clark https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209256#post209256 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209256#post209256 Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:53:56 +1200 matthewbuchanan https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209255#post209255 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209255#post209255 Third, it’s “fewer”, not less.

Bless you.

]]> Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:53:50 +1200 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209254#post209254 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209254#post209254 Gah! I dont do Facebook (or any other social media.)
Is there a nice online petition site that doesnt actually sign your knackers away?

]]> Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:51:26 +1200 Ken Sparks https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209253#post209253 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209253#post209253 Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:39:49 +1200 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209246#post209246 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209246#post209246 O goodness!
I'd only fit in with "Maori& Pacific people" (shit, we have so much in common) and "have Sky Decoder" – and good luck with finding anything about MY demographic with that selection mate!

There used to be sieves for making concrete: the one called COARSE comes especially to mind-

]]> Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:55:00 +1200 izogi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209245#post209245 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209245#post209245 I'd watch a lot more 7 if it did. It was only a few weeks ago that we taught the TV to watch Media7 and Hindsight for us so we didn't have to remember when they were on.

I've not been very organised with TV for a while, but when…

]]> Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:54:02 +1200 Joshua Drummond https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209244#post209244 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209244#post209244 Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:49:47 +1200 Damian Christie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209243#post209243 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209243#post209243 Hate to tell you this Geoff, but there ain’t no 55+ (at least not made available to us internally at TVNZ). The lists are:

05+
5+ Akld Urban
18-49 Akld Urban
25-54 Akld Urban
05-14
All 15-24
15-29
18-39
18-49
All 18-54
25-39
25-54
All 30-59
HHS w/kids 0-9
Main…

]]> Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:47:14 +1200 John Morrison https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209241#post209241 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209241#post209241 Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:45:10 +1200 izogi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209240#post209240 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209240#post209240 so that within the space of say 24 hours you have 4 or more chances to catch a show and 4 or more within the week.
Though in these situations I frequently had the misfortune of finding the same show for the 3 or 4 times I managed to sit…

]]> Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:45:07 +1200 recordari https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209239#post209239 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209239#post209239 The Good Word yet, but… srsly, WhaleOil?

Hmm, that was my first thought. Ratings؟

Overall though TVNZ7 seems to fill a gap that may become even more screamingly obvious in its absence.

]]> Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:42:40 +1200 Geoff Lealand https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209238#post209238 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209238#post209238 Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:41:54 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209237#post209237 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209237#post209237 TVNZ 7 is without a doubt less popular than those other channels. It has almost zero promotion and a budget to match. It doesn’t appear in listings in newspapers or The Listener.

And what a clusterfuck that's been.

Basically, TVNZ and APN have been unable to reach an agreement on…

]]> Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:40:18 +1200 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209236#post209236 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209236#post209236 Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:39:27 +1200 Damian Christie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209234#post209234 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209234#post209234 Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:35:27 +1200 Emma Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209232#post209232 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209232#post209232

It doesn't appear in listings in newspapers or The Listener.

I'd watch a lot more 7 if it did. It was only a few weeks ago that we taught the TV to watch Media7 and Hindsight for us so we didn't have to remember when they were on. Haven't done…

]]> Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:33:50 +1200 Geoff Lealand https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209231#post209231 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209231#post209231 Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:33:20 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209230#post209230 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209230#post209230 There are still a great deal of households that do not get digital television. This is one.

Quite independent of mine and Damian's interests, it's worthwhile if you can afford a -sub$200 decoder or a $450+ Freeview-integrated TV. The improvement in picture quality, even on a CRT TV, is remarkable.…

]]> Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:32:17 +1200 artig https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209228#post209228 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209228#post209228 Confession: I don't watch Backbenchers. Being hard of hearing I just can't distinguish what people are saying when several speak or shout at the same time.

However, I do watch and enjoy several other local programs on TVNZ7, including Media 7, The Court Report, Hindsight, The Good Word, Use As…

]]> Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:31:28 +1200 Geoff Lealand https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209227#post209227 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209227#post209227 Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:29:27 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209225#post209225 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209225#post209225 suffice to say I know of no current TVNZ 7 show (and I know the approximate budgets of several) receiving more than the $27k per episode received by The Nation, and I know some that get less than half that, even though you wouldn’t know it to look at the… ]]> Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:28:49 +1200 George Darroch https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209223#post209223 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209223#post209223 Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:22:00 +1200 Sue https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209218#post209218 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209218#post209218 i wish TVNZ7 was more like cable and repeated shows a lot more, so that within the space of say 24 hours you have 4 or more chances to catch a show and 4 or more within the week.

the amount of times i miss a show and then have…

]]> Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:14:13 +1200 HORansome https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209217#post209217 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209217#post209217 Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:10:38 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209215#post209215 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209215#post209215 Can you spot the issue here? You can’t compare daily and weekly viewship, because obviously these aren’t unique viewers. ONE News doesn’t have 600,000 people watching one night, then 600,000 completely new people the next. It’s viewership isn’t 4.2m people per week. It’s probably more like 2m. But the point… ]]> Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:07:58 +1200 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209214#post209214 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/cracker-send-in-the-clowns/?p=209214#post209214 Discussion from blog post.

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