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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Because I plan to live here for a very long time, all the increased value does is increase my rates.</q></p><p>and your ability to secure business loans, etc</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p>From Lincoln Tan of the Granny:</p><p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10907428" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">NZ one of few Asia-Pacific nations with no restrictions on overseas buyers</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2013 16:04:22 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q></p><p>    Which incidentally brings me to one of my pet peeves: New Zealand birth certificates have an expiry date, and have to be “renewed”.</p><p>Um… are you sure? I have a 2002 and a 2004 example in front of me, and I cant see any expiry date, and I’ve just read…</q></p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>I'm fairly sure I had to produce a passport at some point when buying a house, primarily so the bank could be sure they were dealing with the actual me rather than some impostor.</p><p>Anyway, I don't think you actually have to evidence NZ citizenship when purchasing something like a…</p>
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				<title>FletcherB</title>
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						<p><q>Which incidentally brings me to one of my pet peeves: New Zealand birth certificates have an expiry date, and have to be “renewed”.</q></p><p>Um… are you sure?  I have a 2002 and a 2004 example in front of me, and I cant see any expiry date, and I’ve just read…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 02 Aug 2013 20:39:28 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<p>@FletcherB:<br />Which incidentally brings me to one of my pet peeves: New Zealand birth certificates have an expiry date, and have to be “renewed”. That can’t be anything other than pure revenue gathering. I don’t plan on getting unborn, or even reborn, any time soon.</p>
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				<title>Robert Urquhart</title>
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						I've lived in NZ all my life with no need of a passport. The only photo ID I possess is my drivers licence and I'm damned if I can see why I should need another. I have friends my own age (30s) with neither, and I think it's fair to…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Aug 2013 21:43:19 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>FletcherB</title>
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						<q>I keep seeing this, like giving your passport to your lawyer along with the million pieces of paper you have to provide to complete a property purchase is such an outrageous idea. It seems to me a small, easily satisfied requirement. If you don’t have a passport, I’m sure a…</q>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Aug 2013 21:30:16 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q> Because I plan to live here for a very long time, all the increased value does is increase my rates.</q></p><p>I wish I had your problems.</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q> Racism? Bah.</q></p><p>True, not racism, but it is rather redolent of a certain kind of prejudice common in Chinese communities. Singapore, Hong Kong and Taiwan vs. Mainland, Shanghai vs. everybody, Beijing vs. everybody especially Shanghai (mere merchants who wouldn't recognise culture if it grew in the back of their fridge)…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Aug 2013 16:37:45 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Jim Welch</title>
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						<p><q>no real way to tell they are not kiwis unless you demand everyone produce a passport to purchase</q></p><p>I keep seeing this, like giving your passport to your lawyer along with the million pieces of paper you have to provide to complete a property purchase is such an outrageous idea.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Aug 2013 15:11:26 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Brent Jackson</title>
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						<p><q>No one who owns property is complaining</q></p><p>I have always complained when my Westmere house valuation goes up by above average amounts.  Because I plan to live here for a very long time, all the increased value does is increase my rates.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Aug 2013 13:24:57 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p>This <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/letters-to-the-editor/8984181/Letter-Govt-must-act-on-wealthy-Chinese" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">letter to the editor in today's DomPost</a> appears to be from a Singaporean. And it was the leading letter too...</p><p>__ Local and New Zealand-born Chinese know that recent Chinese migrants are buying up land and properties to enrich themselves later. It's a common topic among established Kiwis of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jul 2013 23:41:32 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						Racial politics aside, the non-resident housing proposal is fundamentally a form of capital control. On Planet Wall Street and its satellite Planet Key, capital controls are worse than armed revolutions or zombie outbreaks.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jul 2013 15:46:21 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>WH</title>
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						Wonga is a “payday” lender and a British slang term for money.  It is also the name of a 2004 coup d’etat in Equatorial Guinea and a kind of Australian pigeon.
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				<title>&quot;chris&quot;</title>
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						<p><q>[ducking for cover]</q></p><p>Yeah that's a can 'o worms.  It sounds like it would be well worth a <a href="http://www.culturalsurvival.org/news/justine-petrillo/genetic-link-brings-indigenous-taiwanese-and-maori-together" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">visit</a>.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jul 2013 20:47:47 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>“house (insert minority here)”.</q></p><p>I was thinking far more in terms of how many Chinese people refer to their own compatriots and co-immigrants. No need for "house [anything]".</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q> Overseas Chinese, Hong Kong, Taiwan and Macau residenrts</q></p><p>It may be worth noting, despite the risk of sparking a major political row, that Macau and Hong Kong are undisputed Special Administrative Regions of the People's Republic of China and Taiwan (big risk....) has never declared independence from China &ndash; in…</p>
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				<title>FletcherB</title>
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						I think the reasons Aussies are exempt is more practical than anything….  They live amongst us with no papers, no residency permits/visas, and no real way to tell they are not kiwis unless you demand everyone produce a passport to purchase  property (including kiwi's who dont have one?) and if…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jul 2013 19:29:37 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Just thinking</title>
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						<p>The Poverty Market needs to be addressed &amp; that's Mum n' Dad investors nest egg.<br />Remove the market for Investment Properties by targeting second to nth housing. This would devalue most homes in large cities and leave many with inflated mortgages. It would leave the market for housing for people wanting…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p>Heh, it was a good day today. Got to see an astrophysicist demonstrating Calculus* with a flying spinning kick, that sent his box of pens and other paraphernalia skittling across the room. Rock star lecturer.</p><p>*Cuthbert Calculus &ndash; think <em>Flight 714</em> when he's introduced to Carreidas.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						I want what Ben's having :)
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>The only sure way to drive prices down is to let Chuck Norris buy a house in NZ.</q></p><p>"Nothing brings down property prices faster than a good old-fashioned gang war." &ndash; Avery Carrington, GTA Vice City</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						The only sure way to drive prices down is to let Chuck Norris buy a house in NZ.
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>And Raymond Huo’s comments absolutely do not surprise me.</q></p><p>In before the usual blubbery suspects start throwing round words like "house (insert minority here)".</p>
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				<title>&quot;chris&quot;</title>
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						<p>From the link I posted on the previous page; there are exemptions to the Beijing law for foreigners purchasing property:</p><p><q>"Residents from China's Hong Kong and Macao special administrative regions, <strong>Taiwan</strong> and overseas Chinese should also be in possession of proper certificates when buying a house. "</q></p><p>                                                                     <em></em><em></em><em></em><em></em><em></em><em></em><em></em><em></em><em></em><em></em><em></em><em></em><em></em><em></em><em></em><em></em><em></em>_</p><p><q>This law…</q></p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Professor X can drop prices with mind power alone! But only on the weak willed.
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				<title>JonathanM</title>
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						Interesting David &ndash; thanks for that.  It kinda makes my point: If Labour had simply said "actually, we'd love to have accurate numbers, but the Nats shut down CHRANZ in 2011.  What we do have is this survey here that suggests the number is around 5-7%.  Professor X suggests that…
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				<title>David Hood</title>
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						In my non-lawyery understanding, if it is a fresh policy exempting Australia, then China is exempted. If Australia is exempted due to CER then China is (maybe) not exempted. If the reason Australia happens to be exempt is that it meets a class distinction of reciprocal arrangement (rather than Australia…
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						Ummm... so article 139 says NZ can or can't treat Chinese investors differently from Australians? I'm really confused.
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p>Well, there's <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10904966" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this</a>:</p><p><q>Article 139 requires that Chinese investors be treated no less favourably then investors of any other country.</q></p><p>And from the article I linked to before:</p><p><q>Trade law specialist Daniel Kalderimis of Chapman Tripp told the Herald that on an initial reading, the policy could breach the most-favoured-nation…</q></p>
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				<title>David Hood</title>
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						<p>Sacha, I am not an international trade lawyer (or any form of lawyer) but as I understand it, the comment centres around what clause 139 of the China FTA actually means:<br />"3. Notwithstanding paragraph 1, the Parties reserve the right to adopt or maintain any measure that accords differential treatment…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Exempting Aussies means we have to exempt Chinese</q></p><p>I've seen comment that this is incorrect &ndash; that earlier FTAs are exempt and only later-negotiated ones have to be matched. Someone may have a link?</p>
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				<title>Jim Welch</title>
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						<p>There's a guy called <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2093053/The-great-sell-Property-tycoon-raise-3bn-selling-250-000-UK-homes.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Robert Tchenguiz</a> who was once reported to own 1% of the entire UK housing stock.  I think that is fucking ridiculous, but who knows &ndash; maybe he just has a spiritual connection to the land.</p><p>Let's be honest with ourselves about this.  Residential property investment is…</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10905144" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Ah, some explanation of the FTA thing</a>. Exempting Aussies means we have to exempt Chinese. And other FTAs may be affected, too, although for different reasons.</p><p>And Raymond Huo's comments absolutely do not surprise me.</p><p>But <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/john-armstrong-on-politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=1502865&amp;objectid=10905145" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">does John Armstrong actually understand the policy</a>? My interpretation was that banning non-resident foreigners from buying…</p>
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				<title>DexterX</title>
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						<p>I feel what is keeping National fortunes may be that many of the people who have done well out of the gravity defying ppty market feel a change of govt may adversely affect their future wealth prospects.</p><p>The purchase of any real ppty financed from funds raised off shore -…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>why did Shearer specifically mention the policy was dealing with Asian buyers?</q></p><p>Because either: </p><p>&ndash; he was not well-briefed or competent enough to frame around that utterly-predictable angle when offered by the interviewer, or </p><p>&ndash; it was politically advantageous to not put up a fight and thereby cleverly allow that…</p>
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				<title>Andrew C</title>
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						<p><q>No-one seems to have any accurate data on just how many houses are sold to, or owned by, overseas interests</q></p><p>Thanks to a post from Whale Oil (or should that be blubberhole Damien ;) ) I can see that Tony Alexander from BNZ does &ndash; for a couple of months…</p>
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				<title>Jim Welch</title>
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						<p><q>a sudden influx of cashed-up Americans,<br />heading west, looking for something like a democracy? </q></p><p>Yeah, doubt it. If you are "cashed up" you can pretty much already buy your way into living here. And if they wanted to buy without living here they already could.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jul 2013 09:05:23 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><q> Rents in Auckland are such that for a long time you can rent in Ponsonby, as most of my younger studenty friends do, but when you buy, you end up in the burbs. Rents increase by $10 or so a year.</q></p><p>True that is easier to rent somewhere like Ponsonby…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jul 2013 09:02:58 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>House that?</strong><br />...and what will happen when the TPPA gets forced through?<br />How would we know?<br />Who will tell us?<br />But I'm betting the US will want very favourable access...<br />...voila, a sudden influx of cashed-up Americans, <br />heading west, looking for something like a democracy? <br />(or a haven for economic…</p>
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						Would the concern trolls crying "chan ban" kick up a stink if it happened to be Arab oil sheikhs or tin-pot dictators buying up? The son of former Indonesian tin-pot dictator Suharto happened to have property in NZ &ndash; namely the Lilybank Lodge &ndash; that was later asset frozen.
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						<p><q>Except it doesn’t. Or it hasn’t</q></p><p>Ponsonby is a poor example. It used to be a Pacific Island and Maori area, at least when I was a boy living there. I went to Ponsonby Primary, and Ponsonby Intermediate. They were 50% brown people, in the 70s. We moved to Herne…</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						From what I see, I'm not convinced by the "eventually tenanted" assumption, and the "knocked down and turned into something else"  sounds like a great way to lose whatever you capital you thought you were going to gain from the investment.
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				<title>Damian Christie</title>
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						I'd add that the only people forced to move under that situation are not the actual rich ones who will stump up, but those who are on paper rich, but actual earn middling incomes.
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				<title>Damian Christie</title>
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						<p><q> It would be like being unable to pay the rent and having to move, as happens to poor people all the time</q></p><p>Except it doesn't. Or it hasn't. Rents in Auckland are such that for a long time you can rent in Ponsonby, as most of my younger studenty friends…</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q> but I found this a little unreasonable, </q></p><p>Ah, yes, I was a touch preoccupied, but that's the kind of information I was thinking I need to find to complete what I was trying to say. It's worth noting, though, that at least here in Beijing foreigners have it easy compared…</p>
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						<p><q>who are suddenly “rich” because of some realty hyper-inflation, won’t be “stoked”.</q></p><p>If they're genuinely forced out of their suburb, that would suck. It would be like being unable to pay the rent and having to move, as happens to poor people all the time, except that they don't get…</p>
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				<title>Damian Christie</title>
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						<p><q>My community is my address book anyway, I don’t lose them by moving house.</q></p><p>Talk to Emma Hart about this re closing of community schools in Christchurch…</p><p>Which is to say yes, *I* am not particularly wedded to New Windsor, but a family who actually have spent long enough in…</p>
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						<p><q>the Centre for Housing Research (CHRANZ) was closed down in 2011</q></p><p>Didn't realise that. What a loss.</p>
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				<title>David Hood</title>
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						<p>JohnathanM wrote "Regardless of whether it’s good or not, if it’s clear you’ve not actually investigated it properly"</p><p>I do feel the need to point out that the Centre for Housing Research (CHRANZ) was closed down in 2011 after being unable to secure any more funding from the National led…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						I don't believe it makes any difference at all to NZ citizenship whether or not you own property. You have to be a permanent resident and have mostly lived here for 5 years. Owning somewhere might make a marginal difference if you don't meet the physical residence requirement, but only…
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						Indeed. Which makes it the number one dodge for property owners. That encourages people to have properties that are worth considerably more than they actually need. All the profit is gravy.
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				<title>Jim Welch</title>
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						<p><q>sez Wiki</p><p>    CGT operates by having net gains treated as taxable income in the tax year an asset is sold or otherwise disposed of.</q></p><p>Yeah, sorry, I meant primary residences--they're not taxed in Oz</p>
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						<p><q>Not necessarily. There’s plenty of examples up here of people buying up many, many apartments as an investment and leaving them empty.</q></p><p>I suggest that the intention is to sell them for a profit in the end, and that is based on an anticipation that they will eventually be tenanted…</p>
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				<title>Konrad Kurta</title>
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						Perhaps it would affect your ability to apply for citizenship? The anecdote I heard was that wealthy overseas folk were buying houses with the intention of applying for citizenship, which is a lot easier if you own property here. I can certainly understand the appeal if you're wealthy and want…
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						<p><q>I think you’re thinking of stamp duty which is applied to home sales in Aus, not CGT.</q></p><p>sez <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_gains_tax_in_Australia" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Wiki</a></p><p><q>CGT operates by having net gains treated as taxable income in the tax year an asset is sold or otherwise disposed of.</q></p><p>This applies to investment property. Although I'm not sure…</p>
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						<p>I'm not sure if it still applies, but I found <a href="http://www.china.org.cn/english/LivinginChina/220516.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this</a> a little unreasonable, at least compared to what New Zealand has to offer in return:</p><p><q>Foreigners who intend to buy a house in Beijing need a certificate issued by the Beijing Municipal Public Security Bureau to prove that they…</q></p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<q>If they’re not going to live in it, they’re going to rent it out. If no one will rent it, it has no value, unless someone else will buy it, which in turn will be a proposition based around whether they can live in it, or rent it out for…</q>
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						<p><q>So you’d just move to a completely different community every time you could realise a profit from your family home?</q></p><p>Not every time, but the value of the money could easily be a lot more than the value of the house, to me. My community is my address book anyway,…</p>
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				<title>Jim Welch</title>
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						I think you're thinking of stamp duty which is applied to home sales in Aus, not CGT.
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				<title>Jim Welch</title>
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						Maybe a CGT should apply to the family home, but politically this would never fly. It doesn't apply in Aus at all (I think) and in the US only if you re-sell within a short timeframe. Maybe there are other countries where residential homes are subject to CGT, I'm not…
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						CGT in Oz is taken at the sale, as far as I know. It's also nowhere near as much as most people think, because it is inflation adjusted. If you take it at the time of the sale, you know they've actually got the money, so no one is forced…
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p>Because China has been mentioned...</p><p>...Not sure it's about ease of credit here so much as the same demand that's driving China's real estate market to the moon and back. China's rich want something to do with their money, the stock markets look even more like casinos than other stock…</p>
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				<title>Jim Welch</title>
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						<p><q>In my case it would describe it very well. To me, 800K is a hell of a lot of money, and a house is just a house.</q></p><p>So you'd just move to a completely different community every time you could realise a profit from your family home? Sounds like pretty…</p>
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						<q>Aucklanders, young and old alike, who live in fairly unremarkable homes now worth a million bucks..... still on the same unremarkable income that saw them scraping to buy the house for $200k not so many years ago</q>There's the driver of the New Zealand property market. It's not complicated: where else…
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						My main problem with this policy is the apparent lack of analysis by Labour at least as to what the effect might be.  That it took a 3rd party before any reasonable figures on the percentage of overseas owners was known speaks volumes.  Regardless of whether it's good or not,…
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						<p><q>No, demand’s source in this case is “people who want to buy property” regardless of whether they want to live in it</q></p><p>If they're not going to live in it, they're going to rent it out. If no one will rent it, it has no value, unless someone else will…</p>
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						<p><q>well I don’t think “stoked” would describe it.</q></p><p>In my case it would describe it very well. To me, 800K is a hell of a lot of money, and a house is just a house.</p>
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				<title>Damian Christie</title>
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						<p><q>Demand’s ultimate source is “people who want to live in property”. Restricting who can own them doesn’t really much change who wants to live in them.</q></p><p>No, demand's source in this case is "people who want to buy property" regardless of whether they want to live in it.  Removing foreign…</p>
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				<title>Damian Christie</title>
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						<p><q>Perhaps a better way of putting that is that if I had 800K, I would not be grizzling about it, I’d be really stoked, because I could buy the property I live in now and be freehold with about 300K to spare.</q></p><p>If you had a family and bought a…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>So does someone only have an ethnicity now if they're not white?</q></p><p>Our government appears to <a href="http://ethnicaffairs.govt.nz/browse/ethnic-communities" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">believe so</a>, and has for a while. Pakeha culture is not well expressed.</p>
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				<title>Jarno van der Linden</title>
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						Isn't a foreign buyers ban trivially circumvented by using a New Zealand based company as an intermediary? NZ company invests in property, non-resident owns or is shareholder of company. Apply usual tax dodges to move all the income offshore.
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				<title>Jim Welch</title>
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						<p>I can't see any argument against restricting foreign ownership. Most other countries do it, and if it's addressing a problem which doesn't exist, as some are claiming, the law wouldn't hurt anyway. </p><p>I'm in favour of anything that emphasise that houses are houses first and investments second. Tax laws shouldn't…</p>
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						<p><q>Funny thing, there’s a lot of people who don’t think like that. And surprise, surprise!</q></p><p>It is very hard to accept, admittedly. I struggle periodically to convince my wife that we'd be a whole lot better off if we just sold our place and rented for a few years while…</p>
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						<p><q>Some very wealthy people consider themselves battlers. Guess some can make anything suck</q></p><p>Once Were Battlers?</p>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p><q> I would not be grizzling about it, I’d be really stoked, because I could buy the property I live in now and be freehold with about 300K to spare. I’d hardly consider myself a battler at that point.</q></p><p>Funny thing, there's a lot of people who don't think like that.…</p>
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						<p>I wasn't advocating total confiscation of wealth over a mill, at least not before the revolution. The forfeit would only happen if you refused to file a (true) tax return or pay.</p><p>A wealth tax of 2% on net assets over a million, rising to 10% at 100mln would be…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Perhaps a better way of putting that is that if I had 800K, I would not be grizzling about it, I'd be really stoked, because I could buy the property I live in now and be freehold with about 300K to spare. I'd hardly consider myself a battler at that…
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p>9%. </p><p>From <a href="http://tonyalexander.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/BNZ-REINZ-Survey-May-2013.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">data compiled by Tony Alexander</a> (pdf). That’s the percentage of houses sold which go to non-residents. Of those, about half say they intend to reside in NZ at a later point (how many do is unknown).</p>
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						<p><q> And as I said, its not a magic bullet, just one in a number of tools that can be brought in, tried out, without collapsing the entire house of cards.</q></p><p>That I certainly agree with. We should still, at the very least, have the political independence that enables us to…</p>
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				<title>David Hood</title>
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						My understanding was that, since around 2009 there had been a divergence between the value of New Zealand housing stock and New Zealand housing debt (which is to say the increase in the price of housing cannot be explained by New Zealand residents borrowing, so money appears to be entering…
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						<p><q>eah, but assuming even a little bit of the problem is supply/demand – and we’re constantly told we don’t have the amount of housing stock we need, reducing demand, even by a few percent, is going to have some impact. </q></p><p>The question is whether restricting foreign ownership does actually reduce…</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p>My preferred form of this policy would be a non-resident stamp duty, which would be waived once Permanent Residency or Citizenship is obtained.</p><p>And as for those levelling accusations of racism, glass houses and stones come to mind. Or is it only racism if fat wallets happen to be involved?</p>
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				<title>Glenn Pearce</title>
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						<p>I think it started here.....</p><p>[ <a href="http://www.stephenfranks.co.nz/house-buying-ban/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.stephenfranks.co.nz/house-buying-ban/</a> ]</p>
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				<title>Damian Christie</title>
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						<p><q>I’ve read elsewhere that the policy would not be consistent with our existing FTA with China. Is anyone able to confirm or refute this?</q></p><p>If that's the case then it would be a non-reciprocated requirement (this may be common in FTAs, I don't know).  Hadn't heard about it elsewhere, you'd…</p>
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				<title>Lucy Telfar Barnard</title>
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						I've read elsewhere that the policy would not be consistent with our existing FTA with China.  Is anyone able to confirm or refute this?
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				<title>Tim Michie</title>
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						To the Herald at least.
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				<title>MoR</title>
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						<p>The issue in Auckland is not foreigners buying up stock. It is people like you (and I) who are (almost) middle aged and are looking to buy a 'nice little renter'.</p><p>What about increasing the mortgage deposit percentage requirements for second properties (ie not the family home) to 40%? It…</p>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p><q>same unremarkable income that saw them scraping to buy the house for $200k not so many years ago.</q></p><p>Now there's a problem right there.</p>
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				<title>Damian Christie</title>
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						<p><q>Anyway, I think there’s a simple, non-racist, solution here, a wealth tax on any NZ tax resident with assets over a million. </q></p><p>Which, if the asset is a rental property, is a form of Capital Gains Tax.  And you'd want to exempt the family home, or see plenty of Aucklanders,…</p>
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				<title>Damian Christie</title>
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						<p><q>Local investors with the money to buy want to make profits just the same as foreign ones.</q></p><p>Yeah, but assuming even a little bit of the problem is supply/demand – and we’re constantly told we don’t have the amount of housing stock we need, reducing demand, even by a few…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p>I don't think anyone really knows for sure what drives property prices. It's likely to be a lot of things, one of which is very unpredictable &ndash; sentiment.</p><p>I've thought for a long time that the biggest <em>overall</em> factor is very low interest rates. But that doesn't explain why Auckland…</p>
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				<title>Allan Moyle</title>
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						I know from experience  buying existing homes in Victoria AU,  Stamp Duty is payable,  which acts as a bit of brake to waving too much money around at an auction. If you re going to spend $500K for example it adds another $ 22K  to the bill along with auction…
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				<title>Louise</title>
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						From the Herald article about the taxi driver abuse: 'The company had about 12 cabs and around 50 per cent of its drivers were of ethnic origin. They came from a variety of backgrounds including Pakistani, Indian, Fijian and Maori.' So does someone only have an ethnicity now if they're…
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						If you could borrow NZ dollars at much less than the prevailing mortgage rate, you could just put the money on term deposit and pocket the profits, without bothering with an actual building (arbitrage, in other words). It's possible that people are borrowing in foreign currency to purchase in NZ,…
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				<title>Glenn Pearce</title>
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						<p>"or create a disincentive that only applies to the latter, such as targeted CGT."</p><p>Which of course we already have but don't enforce very often....</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>Being a New Zealand resident or citizen gives you benefits in New Zealand over people who aren’t.</q></p><p>Yup. And New Zealanders pay for those benefits in taxes etc. It isn't as though we are preventing foreign investment in NZ (as other countries do) and I can't see any reason for…</p>
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				<title>Damian Christie</title>
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						<p><q>My take is that “cheap” money readily available is the driver on prices, turn the tap off or increase the interest rates and the market will change.</q></p><p>I think over-leveraged investors as well as first home buyers suffer from increased interest rates, but only one loses their (actual) home. Likewise…</p>
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				<title>Glenn Pearce</title>
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						<p>I'd be interested to know what the 3 MP's responses were a few weeks ago? In particular Ardern and Upston.</p><p>My take is that "cheap" money readily available is the driver on prices, turn the tap off or increase the interest rates and the market will change.</p><p>Unfortunately the low…</p>
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				<title>Deborah</title>
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						<p>If we follow the Australian model, then the right to purchase property goes with citizenship, not residence.</p><p>The restrictions in Australia apply to established houses.  Non-citizens can still buy new houses.  The policy rationale is:</p><p><q> that foreign investment in Residential Real Estate should increase Australia's housing stock. That is, the…</q></p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<q>Were the new purchasers from overseas? In one case, no, another – hard to say. Because as a number of commentators have pointed out already, in a city where just under a third of residents are ‘Asian’, it’s very easy to get the impression that foreign ownership is a bigger…</q>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:57:10 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Damian Christie</title>
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						<p><q>What I can’t tell from the policy reportage is whether this applies to Kiwi non-residents</q></p><p>I think you'd still be a citizen though, right? And if you already own the home, I don't think you are forced to sell it...</p>
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				<title>B Jones</title>
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						What I can't tell from the policy reportage is whether this applies to Kiwi non-residents, because I know plenty of long term ex-pats with rental properties here.  Don't know if there are any policy problems associated with this other than the fact tenants have to deal with some local representative…
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				<title>Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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						<p><q>Capital Gains Tax – a move which one Government Minister told me made absolute sense, but was ‘political suicide’.</q></p><p>It's always quite popular with the public whenever the CGT policy gets polled &ndash; but MPs, their senior staff and senior political journalists all tend to have most of their wealth…</p>
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				<title>Nicola Eccleton</title>
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						Imagine you're right about China &ndash; lending market is a bit of an unregulated free-for-all, with cronyism more important than returns so if you are in the 'in-crowd' cheap money wouldn't be difficult.
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				<title>Public Address</title>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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