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Riddley Walker

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:53:49 +1300

mate if it was those twins i reckon i'd be using The Book for whacking my head, if i could still find it after gauging my eyes out.
oh, and thanks a lot for the lycra imagery

merc

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:34:57 +1300

Lucky they finally got her with the Witch-smeller Pursuivient...

merc

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:33:34 +1300

Aw Che, that's where I got it from...you can't get enough good stuff from The Word, especially in The Book of Job.

Hadyn Green

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:32:47 +1300

...for bible study of course

Hadyn Green

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:32:14 +1300

Rankin used to go to the same gym as me a while ago. Let's just say lycra and not much of it. Poor old Mark Prebble would have to run off to Che's friend on the Terrace.

Che Tibby

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:30:40 +1300

well, maybe he used some of this great material in the song of solomon.

Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins, which feed among the lilies

the ACT boys will be using that shit in the wine bar, yessiree.

merc

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:29:27 +1300

I did, he came across as a high priest being tempted with a book whacking by a whore of babylon, and finding it very hard to resist. Mind you it covered up some rather strange memo losing/ placing behaviour I seem to recall...

Riddley Walker

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:24:12 +1300

yeah and i reckon it was more surreal for him than anyone – imagine it.

merc

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:28:54 +1300

The Rankin Prebble episode was surreal.

Ben Austin

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:22:53 +1300

english lit major aeh?
Sadly no, the reality is much more mundane.

Riddley Walker

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:19:42 +1300

yeah, it was Rankin that really got me going, whooaarrr those earrings, maaate

Hadyn Green

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:11:10 +1300

See, I knew we'd get this conversation rolling eventually... sssssfriday for God's sake!

Rolling? Jeez man, you've already got spanking, whacking to the Book of the Word and Christine Rankin mentioned. This conversation is avalanching!

andrew llewellyn

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:01:07 +1300

adopt a thesis and take it home first

I always wondered what happened to finished theses...

The only thesis I've ever seen circulated widely was ages ago (mid 80s perhaps) and was about binge drinking by Otago scarfies.

It was hilarious.

Damian Christie

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:47:28 +1300

See, I knew we'd get this conversation rolling eventually... sssssfriday for God's sake!

Riddley Walker

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:23:31 +1300

oh now i get it, no wonder they're so freaked out about losing their Right to Beat

Che Tibby

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:09:55 +1300

Being whacked by The Book of The Word, now that is irony indeed.

whacking to it is weirder.

Che Tibby

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:09:16 +1300

hmmm...

Yeah but university libraries are homes of Sin and Distraction Che, if I disappear into their doors in search of Knowledge and Compassion, who knows what foul monster wearing my body shall be spat out of their ravening maw, no doubt armed with the twin weapons of Sophistry and…

merc

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:08:42 +1300

Being whacked by The Book of The Word, now that is irony indeed.

Riddley Walker

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:05:54 +1300

you wouldn't find any of the Right to Beat lobbying indulging in all that sinful book-learnin

merc

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:03:27 +1300

Besides, I want something contemporary, that reflects the paradigm of today, not yesteryear.

Yesteryear is todays paradigm.

Ben Austin

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:58:30 +1300

Not long I fear Merc.

Besides, I want something contemporary, that reflects the paradigm of today, not yesteryear.

merc

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:54:58 +1300

Wise Ben, but for how long do you think you can resist the pull of that evil eye...the ring must be destroyed.

Lyndon Hood

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:52:12 +1300

Christine Rankin would have been representing "For the Sake of Our Children" (umbrella group). Just before one PR opposing the bill I recall she'd put out another urging the Govt to do "something, anything" about our child abuse record.

Other organisations putting out PR against include Family Integrity, Family First…

Ben Austin

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:51:08 +1300

Yeah but university libraries are homes of Sin and Distraction Che, if I disappear into their doors in search of Knowledge and Compassion, who knows what foul monster wearing my body shall be spat out of their ravening maw, no doubt armed with the twin weapons of Sophistry and Malice.

merc

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:43:41 +1300

do you know how many of things are sitting out there on shelves right now feeling unloved and unread?

Sob, yes, yes I do...

Che Tibby

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:38:29 +1300

jesus ben... would you bring a child into the world knowing it'll be unloved?! would you?? would you?!

then why make stupid and completely insane comments like

would be an interesting topic to look at for a political studies thesis

....

do you know how many of things are sitting…

Ben Austin

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:26:41 +1300

that too merc.

I'm just interested to find out how much strategising/planning goes on in some circles about 'wedge issues', 'culture war battles' and the like, and if they see something like the "anti smacking bill" and wet themselves in excitement as to where it might lead. It seems to…

merc

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:17:04 +1300

given that it involves child raising

Erm, maybe given that we were all children once?

Ben Austin

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:13:38 +1300

The whole debate and how it has unfolded would be an interesting topic to look at for a political studies thesis. It seems like the ideal issue for which to build up a wider debate about cultural values, in a way that many other similar issues are not. Unlike abortion,…

the E

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:50:01 +1300

which organizations that have a genuine interest in children's wellbeing are actually opposed?

Light years ago in this debate (like, a couple of weeks) i'm sure i heard Christine Rankin speak out on National Radio strongly against the bill amendment.

I just googled & she would have been representing Light One…

Riddley Walker

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:43:35 +1300

i wager 500:1 they are.
spare the rod and spoil the child my son – maybe that's what all those convicted priests thought they were doing, by not sparing the spearing they were actually saving?

the E

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:38:47 +1300

it was from the collection, 'Haunted'.

Right... his book "Choke" would also be entirely relevant in this context and is a great read as well.

"Time Out" just isn't kinky. Although those given the more old fashioned, claustraphobic "time out" (such as the cupboard under the stairs) could well become…

Che Tibby

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:38:35 +1300

anyone taking odds on those pro-discipline organisations being compassionate fundamentalist christians?

anyone?

Riddley Walker

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:35:46 +1300

Heather
i don't know of any list of those against, opponents seem to only quote the mythical and amorphous 'moral majority of right thinking nzers'. a browse of kiwiblog, the Union of Failures, or the musings of Leighton Smith might turn up something concrete – but i doubt it.

maybe…

Hadyn Green

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:35:08 +1300

there should be a BDSM dungeon in the basement of every major corporation in nz

There is a gym in the basement of the State Service Commission that could be easily converted...

Peter Darlington

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:25:53 +1300

Peter, do you mean "Choke"?

Sorry, it was from the collection, 'Haunted'.
http://www.chuckpalahniuk.net/books/haunted/guts.php

Che Tibby

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:24:56 +1300

here in wellington (back in the day) i used to speak with a pot-selling dominatrix who lived on the terrace.

her: "there should be a BDSM dungeon in the basement of every major corporation in nzl"

me: "bwahahahaha... [sigh...], why?"

her: "so those dirty fckers don't have to come to…

Damian Christie

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:18:42 +1300

Judi: Quite, but even on a more day-to-day level, do you think it will replace the casual bedroom slap on the arse? "Just go and sit over there for a second, I'm not going to talk to you..." "Ohhhh yeah, that's soooo hot..."

the E

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:14:25 +1300

'Guts' by Chuck Palahniuk

Peter, do you mean "Choke"?

Judi Lapsley Miller

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:13:04 +1300

Generationally though, I suspect things will change. If you were never smacked as a child, never equated physical discipline with ‘being naughty’, wouldn’t the whole thing just be a bit foreign? In a world where being smacked was just a completely alien concept, wouldn’t it be more like “What the…

the E

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:13:01 +1300

I for one will wait to hear what you find and post on the previous Cracker, Heather.

I don't think consensual spanking as a titillation is jeopardised!

English former public schoolboys I've met have had fetishes beyond corporal punishment-b&d-type (not, I repeat not, that I helped them out on this front)…

Peter Darlington

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:11:40 +1300

Damian, you dirty blutter. I didn't need to know about that matches to nipples thing.

Try reading 'Guts' by Chuck Palahniuk, Juha. The only sexi time book to ever make me feel light headed. And not in an entirely good way...

Heather Gaye

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:54:15 +1300

Good list, is there a similar one of organisations against the bill?

Riddley Walker

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:37:09 +1300

here's a list of organizations that support Sue Bradford's bill.

UNICEF New Zealand, Save the Children, Barnardos NZ, Royal Plunket Society, Office of the Children's Commissioner, Families Commission, Jigsaw – Child Abuse Prevention (representing 14 member organisations), IHC, Amokura Family Violence Prevention (representing 7 iwi Chief Executives), Churches Agency on…

Ben Austin

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:33:21 +1300

I believe the lecturer made some comments to the effect of "this is the hot stuff, if thats what you are looking for"

merc

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:26:51 +1300

Having consent is no defence to providing a sophisting either.

Lyndon Hood

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:23:38 +1300

In the context, I should probably add that I used "eating soemone" in the sense of cannibalism.

Lyndon Hood

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:21:06 +1300

I can't recalling hearing the verdict in that German case, but I assume that they found that, when it comes to eating someone, having their consent is no defence.

Juha Saarinen

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:17:06 +1300

Damian, you dirty blutter. I didn't need to know about that matches to nipples thing.

Hamboy

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:15:54 +1300

I thought that s59 only refered to children, not adults dress up in short school uniforms pretending to be naughty children.

Or can we use s59 to apply to adults as well?
So next time an a**hole at the bar needs correction......

Damian Christie

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:13:47 +1300

Probably nothing my post wouldn't have already alerted them to ;)

Ben Austin

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:10:32 +1300

Ahh yes, I do remember the consent lectures vaguely as well (we called it laws 201) – although I thought NZ case law stated there were somethings you couldn't consent to, like nailing penises.

I'd try and do some research to verify this thought, but I'm sort of worried about…

Damian Christie

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:57:14 +1300

Err... serious discussion on the smacking bill off the end of my previous post please. Let's keep this all on topic thanks folks...

And no Dominic, of course I wasn't suggesting spanking would be legally affected by s59... although there have been some interesting cases about the extent to which…

Lyndon Hood

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:17:58 +1300

... but I understand it would be just fine if if it was to prevent the spankee engaging in 'offensive behaviour'.

"Stop that! Oh, stop! I said stop that!..."

But to return to the humourlessness, this does bring us back to the point (I'm not saying it's a complete or…

Hadyn Green

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:03:42 +1300

Spanking should still be legal but what they'll have to cut out is all that "you've been a bad boy/girl" talk.

Because that would make it for "corrective purposes"

Michael Stevens

Fri, 16 Mar 2007 08:12:45 +1300

I think it'd be wise to hold onto those shares and even invest more. Spanking will become an even more fetishised secret scene, a symbol of resistance and deviance. I predict we'll have the world's spankiest kinkiest population in a decade or so.

There is nothing so alluring as that…

Stephen Judd

Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:26:40 +1300

"peeps actually fighting to protect those who assault their kids,"

No, that's a really disrespectful caricature.

I think the motivations behind the bill are admirable. I think the aim is admirable. I just think it's going to be bad law. And that has nothing to do with protecting people who…

Riddley Walker

Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:38:52 +1300

plum that's right, all of them publicly support the amendment. and yes i think with consent BDSM will remain fine, the inapplicability to s59 being that children can't give legal consent. actually sorry, forgive the humour bypass – it's just this topic has been so thrashed to death elsewhere on…

plum

Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:08:56 +1300

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but didn't all the children's organisations come out in support of the bill? Save the Children, Barnados, all of them. If that's so (and please don't quote me on that), that says a lot for me. After all, you've gotta think about…

dominic s.

Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:13:22 +1300

i dont think spanking between consenting adults is under threat. (i hope, anyway)all levity aside, i think that unfortunatly what we have here is peeps actually fighting to protect those who assault their kids, mostly the same people who would sneer at the whole 'thin end of the wedge' type…

Public Address

Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:13:21 +1300

Discussion from blog post.