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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						Hmm... I obviously haven't got <em>italics</em> sussed.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 09:28:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<p>Heh &ndash; they're vehement because it _really_ suits them to do nothing.</p><p>To do _something_ would be very inconvenient.</p><p>But cripes, have you read that article in the Listener about carbon emissions per person from various types of vehicle?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 09:27:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sarah Wedde</title>
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						<p>But Llew, they're so <em>vehement</em>. Surely lazy bastardism can't account for it?</p><p>Fortunately Kottke published a link to this <a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/skeptics " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic</a> guide today, so if I do ever meet one of this fabled species I shall be prepared.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 20:56:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						Er... as in Norwegian for puppy?
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 16:02:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Clarke</title>
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						Andrew, you were right the first time. Dubya is the best example of a pupper I've ever seen.  :-)
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 15:51:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						puppet.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 13:16:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Any theories as to what drives the climate change deniers?</p></blockquote><p>I think it just suits them to carry on as they are. For one reason or another.</p><p>And also, over the years there have been various popular theories espoused that have come to nought &ndash; population explosion, ice age, pupper…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 13:15:55 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Che Tibby</title>
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						<p>no worries. it could also be jeebuz "messing the climate cchange boffins".</p><p>jeebuz likes to keep it nice and light-hearted.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 11:33:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sarah Wedde</title>
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						<p>Any theories as to what drives the climate change deniers? Is it a deeply-considered genuine belief in their position? An over-estimation of their own intellect? Or just a perverse enjoyment of pissing into the wind?</p><p>I remember David Bellamy coming to speak at my school in 1990 or 1991, and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 11:31:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						Thanks Che &ndash; after asking that slightly tongue in cheek question, I realised that it would probably be a consequence of the ice cap melting & large chunks of ice being transported out to sea...
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				<title>Che Tibby</title>
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						<p>andrew, if i remember the lovelock thesis correctly;</p><p>the ice caps melt into the oceans, cooling the earth slightly.<br />but, heating continues and the oceans gradually evaporate up into the atmosphere to form clouds. this increases the reflectiveness of the atmosphere, again the earth trying to cool things slightly.<br />but,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 10:29:32 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Dave Leech</title>
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						<p>Has anyone else noticed the pitch of the 'AGW isn't really happening' crowd getting that much more fevered in recent times?</p><p>As more and more of the mainstream come around to seeing future climate change as a real, tangible risk, and seeing mitigation as the correct response as opposed to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 10:16:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<p>Heh heh... so can someone explain to me the icebergs closer to NZ than ever before?</p><p>:)</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 10:01:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Clarke</title>
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						<p>So a bit late than never.</p><p>I went along to the Wellington Climate Change Festival (or at least part of it) at the Paramount, mainly to listen to what the National BlueGreen position sounded like coming from Nick Smith. Quick summary:</p><p><strong>Marian Hobbs</strong>- Blah blah blah ... lots of nice…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 09:58:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Che Tibby</title>
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						<p>hadyn, sanctimonious hippies. legions of them.</p><p>but on the subject of lovelock, i read the first gaia book back in 1990 and it fundamentally changed my perspective on consumption and its impact on humanity. i kind of get that he's moved from trying to make people aware of climate change…</p>
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				<title>Hadyn Green</title>
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						If global warming ISN'T happening but we take action to try and stop it anyway what will happen?
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				<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 15:33:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Andre Alessi</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The climate change denial culture, ironically, reminds me of the anti-GE movement online, in that you see the same tropes go around and around, even after the majority of scientists have done with them and moved on.</p></blockquote><p>There's a scary symmetry between Chris de Freitas (global warming skeptic) and Peter…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 15:20:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>The climate change denial culture, ironically, reminds me of the anti-GE movement online, in that you see the same tropes go around and around, even after the majority of scientists have done with them and moved on.</p><p>Example: <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/05/nosplit/nwarm05.xml" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Christopher Monckton's piece for the Telegraph</a>. The right-wing blogosphere has been all…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:57:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Andre Alessi</title>
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						<p>Lovelock's always worth reading, even if you don't agree with him.</p><p>I agree with the idea that nuclear power is going to become increasingly important (and environmentally friendly) but my main objection to it is economic and practical:  a country like ours with no preexisting nuclear infrastructure is going to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:38:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matt McGowan</title>
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						<p>Kinda late, but have any of you read James Lovelock's the Revenge of Gaia?  What are your thoughts on his views regarding climate catastrophe, Kyoto our Munich, nuclear power et cetera.</p><p>In a BBC panel of boffins, they largely agreed with Lovelocks data, but disagreed with his assertion that nuclear…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:02:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Michael Hogan</title>
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						Climate Change Action Day needs to be Every Day. Whilst AL Gore et al jet around the globe depositing tons more carbon in the process and convincing Ministers with Power Point presentations, we all go about our "business as usual". I am glad he has the profile to get this…
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				<title>Terence Wood</title>
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						<p>Hello Raymond,</p><p>Thanks for your thanks; and glad to hear the graphs were of some use to you.</p><p>With regards to the 'New Zealand can't do nothing' argument, your point is an interesting one and highlight's one of the dilemmas of living in a globalising world. All of a sudden…</p>
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				<title>Raymond A Francis</title>
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						<p>Thanks for the heads up on the graphs Terence<br />Fascinating and I will admit thet they do show a greater warming <br />Mind you statistics and dam lies etc etc<br />But that was not my real point, I did say the climate is warmer and the winters have definitly got warmer…</p>
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				<title>Terence Wood</title>
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						<p>Oh grief,</p><p>The one thing you could say for Garth George is that he makes the other climate change deniers look relatively intelligent. Or something.</p><p>Raymond:</p><blockquote><p>Ok the climate has changed but it always has, it is not and never has been a static thing[.] Possibly human activity has caused…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 05 Nov 2006 09:47:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Vaughn Davis</title>
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						Mike Hosking made a good point on the wireless this morning. He'd been talking to Judith Tizzard earlier in the week and she told him that having seen An Inconvenient Truth she was "convinced" that climate change was a happening thing. Like Mike, I don't want to enter into a…
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				<title>Tze Ming Mok</title>
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						<p>Asking a question like "good god, did you see Garth George's column the other day?" would be a dead end on a site like this (so far at least), but someone did bring this little doozy to my attention yesterday:</p><blockquote><p>I know that [climate change/polar caps melting] is codswallop, and…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Clarke</title>
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						<p>Hi Raymond</p><p>As the climate scientists point out, the weather is not the climate. Studying your local conditions is obviously important if your livelihood depends on it, but this is like saying that I study the speed of my ADSL link, and this makes me an expert in the intricacies…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 04 Nov 2006 19:19:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						Just a note to thank you folks for being able to vigorously discuss an inevitably fractious subject without getting nasty. Nice.
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				<pubDate>Sat, 04 Nov 2006 17:51:33 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Rooney</title>
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						<p>This climate change stuff is getting tedious already. </p><p> I am presuming that all those people being really intense in Berlin and other places were the same people that rushed to buy up all the Tami Flu(sic) tablets when we were all going to die of bird flu last year.</p><p>And…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 04 Nov 2006 16:00:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Raymond A Francis</title>
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						<p>Dear Cindy,<br />I don't believe I claimed to be a weather scientist and in answer to your queston I am not</p><p>On the other hand I have spent the last 30+ years closely studing the local weather and the extended patterns of the last millenium<br />Because my livelyhood depends directly…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 04 Nov 2006 15:29:07 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Clarke</title>
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						I might nip out and steal someone's car keys. That'll stop the buggers!
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				<title>cindy baxter</title>
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						<p>meanwhile... up in Whangarei this morning...</p><p>Marsden B Scaled Again for Global Climate Rescue Radio Station</p><p>Greenpeace activists today scaled the 60m Marsden B power station which is planned to convert to coal and are setting up a radio transmitter on the roof.</p><p>Greenpeace is also beaming "climate rescue radio",…</p>
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				<title>cindy baxter</title>
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						<p>it's good to have climate scientists like Raymond and Nick here.  You are climate scientists aren't you?  Presumably, you have  dedicated your lives studying the intricate detail of how clouds, oceans, forests, land use, methane and carbon dioxide work together...  </p><p>silly me for believing the 17 national academies of science,…</p>
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				<title>Raymond A Francis</title>
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						<p>I am with Nick on this<br />Ok the climate has changed but it always has, it is not and never has been a static thing<br />Possibly human activity has caused this but the changes are with in the range of the last 1000 years and do not campare on the…</p>
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				<title>Sebastian</title>
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						<p>I am not sure if Nick is serious. It might just be your regular odd NZ humor. If it´s not, I am quite amused by such ignorant opinion, especially by someone who lives in a country that will be especially hard hit by climate change and rising sea levels. <br />However,…</p>
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				<title>Tan Copsey</title>
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						I imagine things will be rather bigger here in London.  We are expecting at least 50 000 (although I think it might be a few more) on the march from the US embassy.  Its been an interesting week here &ndash; the Stern Report has been front page news all week,…
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				<title>cindy baxter</title>
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						<p>I'll be hanging in Auckland, heading down to the carnival, but also tuning in to HeatwaveFM </p><p>This weekend Greenpeace has decided to become the media &ndash; yep that's right &ndash; they're running their own radio station!</p><p>They'll be doing interviews with activists and those taking part in the Global Day…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 17:07:46 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Dawn Tuffery</title>
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						<p>In Hamilton, they're apparently having a 'Fuel-free Family Fun' day...a picnic with 'no-emissions games' (intriguing), organised by the Waikato Greens.</p><p>I won't make it there myself but it looks like a jolly day out, complete with sack races, three-legged, egg-and-spoon and slow-bike races, petanque, badminton, croquet, kite-flying etc etc. Seedlings…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 11:57:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Nick Bryant</title>
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						<p>I'll probably stay round home, get some light exercise, eat healthily; perhaps some anti-oxidant laden red wine in the evening.  </p><p>Thanks to the irrational alarmism of the "global warming" movement I'm into personal longevity.  I want to be around well after 2050, not to thumb my nose at the sheep-like…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 11:04:55 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Keith Ng</title>
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						<p>Saturday is the Climate Change Day of Action &ndash; what's happening in your neck of the woods?</p><p>In Auckland, they're going to rough up your downtown traffic system a bit, I think:</p><p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&amp;ObjectID=10408656" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&amp;ObjectID=10408656</a></p><p>And the usual talkfest:</p><p><a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/SC0610/S00053.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/SC0610/S00053.htm</a></p><p>In Wellington, we're going to have a film/talk fest at the Paramount.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 10:38:21 +1300</pubDate>
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