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				<title>Jolisa</title>
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						<blockquote><p>the surfees are arguing about what the brown sludge they are swimming in is ....</p></blockquote><p>As Spike Milligan once put it, are they actually swimming in the sea or just going through the motions?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 14:32:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<p>I think we'd rather have clean sewerage than a new stadium (we already have a perfectly good Carisbrook we've been shoveling money into for years, what we need is a good team, not a good stadium) </p><p>so don't forget public meeting against the stadium in the town hall tonight (Sun)…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 12:38:32 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul  Prince</title>
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						<p>Here in Dunedin we are discharging 'treated' sewerage through a long pipe for which the resource consent runs out in 2012. Instead of planning for the problem the DCC is applying for the water quality criteria to be downgraded. If you can't meet the bar, then lower it. <br />Swimming in…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:04:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						Rosie, Big O is in South Westland. It is not a large settlement. We also refer to it as "The Navel of the Universe" because, as a community, we have a well-developed sense of our importance and aspire to be lint.
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				<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:19:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephanie Pegg</title>
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						OK, having a bypass facility on a wastewater treatment plant is a pretty normal design feature, because while untreated sewerage going into waterways is a Bad Thing, blocking up the biological processes of the plant, or leaving wastewater in a holding tank so long it goes toxic are also Bad…
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				<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:56:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosie</title>
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						<p>If there are no required minimum treatment standards then sewage treatment is something that is subject to political will and can easily be put in the too expensive basket.<br />Regulation and privatisation has worked in the UK to increase treatment standards but paying around £330 a year in water bills…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:22:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<blockquote><p>which makes the supposed need to pollute the Avon &amp; Heathcote all the weirder</p></blockquote><p>Joe, I think they're talking about peak overflows when mixed stormwater and sewage systems get hit by big rainfalls.  Big pipe only works for the rest of the time.  </p><p>Same as Auckland region, though at least we…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:47:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						and probably 'Coney Island white fish' too ....
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				<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:16:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>. . . we've 'solved' the problem, at great cost, by basically building a longer pipe.</p></blockquote><p>Which is exactly what Chch has recently done, which makes the supposed need to pollute the Avon &amp; Heathcote all the weirder.</p><blockquote><p>Meanwhile, despite the longer pipe, the surfees are arguing about what the brown…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:12:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<p>here in Dunedin where we've basically just pumped everything out to sea &ndash; meaning that the main swimming beaches regularly get closed &ndash; we've 'solved' the problem, at great cost, by basically building a longer pipe. </p><p>This month they're actually going to start to 'treat' the sewage by dumping some…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:02:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosie</title>
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						<p>Hi Islander &ndash; I am scratching my head trying to work out where the Big O might be but it sounds like an independent sort of place.</p><p>I haven't lived in NZ for over 5 years, so I am not that up to speed, but when I left all councils…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 04:52:33 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p>Last &ndash; but pertinent comment &ndash; where do youy think all of Greymouth's<br />'waste' goes?<br />And why no locals are very keen on Grey River 'bait?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:18:52 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						O, and all sewage is within property bounds (septic tanks/Oasis-type sytems.)
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:16:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p>Rosie &ndash; there's been an ongoing discussion among the inhabitants of Big O about water for literally quarter of a century.<br />*We pay rates to 2 local body councils (WDC &amp; WRC). We get very little in return for our rates.<br />*We run our own water scheme.<br />*Actually, the government has…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:14:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosie</title>
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						<p>Do we think the government should impose some minimum national standards and targets for water and wastewater? </p><p>I see that the government couldn't stomach improving the drinking water standards (due to costs involved for rural communities). The same applies for the cost of improving wastewater.</p><p>Water and waste bills separate…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:01:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Did we suddenly time-warp to 1980?</p></blockquote><p>Even further. I recall being in Chch in 1976, back when the garbage sacks were a weird sky blue. A worthy organisation, the name of which I haven't retained, was running newspaper ads opposing discharges into the municipal rivers with the great slogan"Our Grandfathers…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:54:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p>"Clean green NZ".<br />"100% pure".</p><p>What kind of people are we (well not <em>us</em> ) that we allow things like this to happen? Did we suddenly time-warp to 1980?</p><p>Thanks David, for helping us oppose this.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:33:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Max Call</title>
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						<p>Danielle?</p><p>did your Uncle wear?? them again?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:11:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Max Call</title>
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						haha &ndash; Danielle posted while I typed out my response/ &ndash; no-one handed in my pop's (paternal grandad) teeth :-(
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:09:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Max Call</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I was also concerned to note that false teeth might be released into the river &mdash; which, in my opinion, is even more terrifying than ordinary sewage.</p></blockquote><p>that reminds me of one of my pop's funny-but-true-as stories.</p><p>When he was abut 75ish he got on the home-brews with some mates…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:07:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I was also concerned to note that false teeth might be released into the river &mdash; which, in my opinion, is even more terrifying than ordinary sewage.</p></blockquote><p>True story: my uncle once lost his false teeth while swimming at Takapuna beach. (He was drunk at the time.) Two wacky things…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:02:21 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>David Haywood</title>
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						<p><strong>Gareth Ward</strong> wrote:</p><blockquote><p>Very true, perhaps suggest an amended consent that is tied directly to the budgeted completion date of the Major Sewer Upgrade in order to continue the incentive on completing such an important piece of work etc etc...<br />Having read this page I'd actually get them to only…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:53:07 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It did take me a while to articulate a response, given my original reaction was vowel-less.</p></blockquote><p>Much like my response to the Auckland "supercity" report.</p>
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				<title>Alastair Jamieson</title>
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						<p>Anyone concerned about their abililty to make submissions on resource consents that might affect them ought to be taking a very careful look at the <a href="http://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2009/0018-1/latest/DLM1847912.html?search=ts_bill_resource_resel" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The RMA (Simplifying and Streamlining) Amendment Bill 2009</a>.</p><p>If passed, the bill will reduce your abililty to make submissions against projects you oppose, and make…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:39:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Thanks for drawing attention to the situation David.</p></blockquote><p>Indeed. It did take me a while to articulate a response, given my original reaction was vowel-less.</p>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It seems to me that a quarter-century time limit is liable to de-incentivize them from making haste on their fifteen-year plan.</p></blockquote><p>Very true, perhaps suggest an amended consent that is tied directly to the budgeted completion date of the Major Sewer Upgrade in order to continue the incentive on completing…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:13:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Cheryl Bernstein</title>
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						Not fancying the false teeth or a replay of the swimming pool scene from Caddy Shack in the stream at the end of our garden, I clicked the link and made a submission opposing the CCC's application. Can't say it was a literary masterpiece but hopefully it will add weight…
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				<title>David Haywood</title>
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						<p>Hi Gareth, many thanks for that.  Er... an upgrade plan wasn't communicated to me by the person I talked to &mdash; and they definitely told me that the consent documentation wasn't available online (they did offer to mail me a CD).</p><p>I'll emend my objection to focus on the time…</p>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<p>Oh for sure, but I really doubt work like that is going to magically happen in three years time.  And while the consent wouldn't interfere with it, it would add complexity.</p><p>If you want to use a time-constrained consent to force them to a completion date then I'd agree with…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:02:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						@Gareth: David's proposal for 3 year interim (but still renewable) consent needn't interfere with that work; if anything, it would be added incentive to complete it in a timely fashion.
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<p>David, this is the page for their Wastewater strategy: <a href="http://www.ccc.govt.nz/WasteWater/MajorSewerUpgrade/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.ccc.govt.nz/WasteWater/MajorSewerUpgrade/</a></p><p>I'd focus on that, rather than the 25year consent &ndash; they're just trying to get that as a technical buffer to let them do the work above I imagine.  What you want to be encouraging is the speedy completion of…</p>
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						<p>Wellington council tried that 25 year thing to keep sending bad odours right across the southern suburbs &ndash; simply because they had built their composting pit wrong.</p><p>They got biffed, hopefully you will also be successful.</p><p>And, welcome back David.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:27:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<p>All those times when I've said "Christchurch is just a swamp, basically", apparently I was talking it up.</p><p>How particularly medieval of the Christchurch City Council.</p>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<p>Ick.<br />But do be aware that comments like "separating wastewater and stormwater infrastructure" WILL freak out councillors.  Auckland's strategy to deal with similar issues runs out to about 2035 I believe (that's to stop ALL dry-weather overruns.  Wet weather would still be an issue).</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:21:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<p>At least you'll have the comfort of knowing <br />&mdash; regardless of the eventual outcome &mdash; <br />that when it comes to the environment,<br />the Christchurch city council actually gives a shit.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:20:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>philipmatthews</title>
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						Unless I take a drink from the Heathcote in that time ...
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:19:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>David Haywood</title>
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						Don't worry, Philip.  It's only for 25 years.  You'll still probably be alive when it's all over.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:14:20 +1300</pubDate>
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						I'm about two minutes away from one of the spots on the Heathcote, just by Tennyson Ave, where this is going to happen. It's never been the clearest, cleanest looking river in the world but apparently it's improved over the years. This looks like such a retrograde step.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:07:43 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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