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				<title>Deborah</title>
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						<blockquote><p>There's a truckload of erudite, intellectual scary bastards in these parts. People who pick apart arguments for a living, if you will.</p></blockquote><p>Ummm... well... guilty.</p><p>But, that doesn't make me any less scared about posting comments.!  I have done a lot of public speaking too, very successfully, and it really…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:53:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						<blockquote>but i have somehow found posting comments here often leaves me with knots in my tummy. it's so wierd and i haven't been able to understand my own reaction. it would be nice if someone could make sense of my very strange mind for me... any psychologists out there?</blockquote> Anjum,…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:05:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>anjum rahman</title>
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						<p>wow, now i feel loved!  thanx for all the nice comments.</p><p>would love to write, one problem is time; the other is of course fear.  i've done a couple of speaker thingies on PA but that was before the comments thing was happening.</p><p>i've been thinking about the whole issue…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:41:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Oh and Danielle because she tells funny stories.</p></blockquote><p>Thank you! :) </p><p>(But my god, the pressure! What tale to tell next? Emma already broke out a 'Father Run Amok With .22 Rifle' story, so even though I have one of those myself, the originality is questionable. Oh dear. I suppose…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 23:17:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						I should have said, which was my original intent, that I wanted you to do a blog here. Not least because your perspective is quite close to my own (being purely selfish, here).
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				<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:45:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Deborah</title>
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						<p>Oh, and I second your nominations of Danielle, Robyn, Heather and Anjum.  Especially Anjum &ndash; her insights make me think very, very hard.</p><p>I generally at least skim most comments on PAS, but like most of us (I suspect), there are people whose comments I pay particular attention to, sometimes…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:39:46 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Deborah</title>
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						Thanks for your kind words, Jackie.  I value your opinion, not least because even if I do disagree with you about something (a very rare occurrence), I know you have reasons behind your position.  So your support means all the more to me.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:36:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						Oh and Danielle because she tells funny stories.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:29:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						<blockquote>So, if we set up rules of discourse in such a way that they look fair &ndash; everyone gets to be tough &ndash; but in effect a large number of people feel that they can't participate, then we have an effective exclusion of those people.</blockquote> I've used this quote, Deborah,…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:28:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>dyan campbell</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Taste is the enemy of art</p></blockquote><p>No, taste is the enemy of <em>humour</em>.  Fear is the enemy of art.</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						IO, you've changed my mind occasionally. Which is a strange way of refuting your point, I know.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:52:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Have peoples minds been changed by a well reasoned argument on the intarwebby?</p><p>    I know mine has.</p></blockquote><p>Interesting!<br />It's precisely because I think no-one's opinion will change by anything I say (or what anyone else says for that matter) that I've cut down on posting on PAS. Most of my…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:39:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Have peoples minds been changed by a well reasoned argument on the intarwebby?</p><p>I know mine has.</p></blockquote><p>Mine too. Many times. I don't see that as having a weak position, it's about being rational. Often the other person can't see what you're not getting until you tell them your reasoning.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:28:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p>Deborah, thanks for your bite. I was hoping someone would because it partially goes to hardening up ;-) </p><p>I feel you misunderstood me a little. I didn't mean that the lurkers need to 'post tough'. I meant they need to 'get tough, and post'. They shouldn't change their style towards…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:11:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>FletcherB</title>
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						<p>Have peoples minds been changed by a well reasoned argument on the intarwebby?</p><p>I know mine has.</p><p>180 degree turns are admittedly infrequent.. but by being exposed to the actual logic/explanation of opposing thoughts (as opposed to just the yes/no right/wrong headlines)... it allows me, and I presume others, to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:18:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Psycho Milt</title>
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						Sorry, I was absent-mindedly using old in-group slang &ndash; should pay more attention to what I'm writing.  "Mutie" as in "crazed mutants," a regular feature of lurid SF comics in my now-distant childhood.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:12:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Deborah</title>
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						<p>I took a look.  Yeeuuuch.</p><blockquote><p>It doesn't change my view that the blogosphere has to be shared with its mutier participants</p></blockquote><p>Mutier?  So we need to find a way to encourage people to speak up some more?</p><p>'Tho I do agree about the blogsophere being open to all, including the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:38:46 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Psycho Milt</title>
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						<p>"If I want to be shouted at and abused, just for having a different opinion, I can go over to No Minister any old time..."</p><p>Having written <a href="http://nominister.blogspot.com/2007/12/pearls-before-swine.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">a post at No Minister disagreeing with your view</a>, and reaped a bumper crop of abusive trolls as a result, I can fully…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:26:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Deborah</title>
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						<blockquote><p>My opinion on getting more people posting/commenting outside the liberal white middle classed straight male demographic is that they all need to harden up and post or comment more.</p></blockquote><p>Okay... I'll bite.</p><p>Here's the thing.  You can set up some rules so that they appear to apply to everyone, and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:00:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Che Tibby</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Also like Sam says, posting is a way to work out for yourself what you think. I do that all the time with the blog.</p></blockquote><p>absolutely. blogging and arguing in comments has actually improved my ability to write and argue subjects in my day-job.</p><p>something that a lot of education…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 06:55:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Robyn Gallagher</title>
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						<blockquote><p>since when did internet need capitals?</p></blockquote><p>The argument is that "the Internet" needs a capital to distinguish it from "an internet". But since when does anyone talk about having an internet?</p><p>Perhaps internets exists in computer science circles, but in everyday life there is only one internet and I don't…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 06:33:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And blunders don't seem to be taken to seriously, I'v e never had any negative press over mine... yet.</p></blockquote><p>Man. What internet did you hook up to? I need some of that.</p><p>And, why does firefox underline 'internet' in red? since when did internet need capitals? And if internet does,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 23:11:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Yes, and sometimes you only figure out your own view has gaping holes in it once you start trying to explain it in writing. Well, OK, maybe that's just me...</p></blockquote><p>Believe me bro, it isn't ...</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:00:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Tim Darlington</title>
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						Yes, and sometimes you only figure out your own view has gaping holes in it once you start trying to explain it in writing.  Well, OK, maybe that's just me...
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote>Ben, I think its more that whenever I want to write a comment on any website I feel a bit like I'm drunk at a party. I'll get excited and say what I mean but not in the way I mean to say it. Then I'll wake up the next…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 18:10:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sam F</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Has this ever actually happened? I imagine it to be something like the internet version of the sasquatch: widely rumoured to exist, but only crazy people have seen it.</p></blockquote><p>Who knows? Not everyone who's proven wrong is willing to say so on the Internet, especially if they're afraid it's going…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:34:32 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						<blockquote><p>worse still is when you post &amp; everyone ignores what you've said &amp; starts carries on the discussion as if you hadn't commented at all!</p></blockquote><p>Sing it sister. Bit pathetic after 13 odd years on the worldwide social tool we call the internet, but yes, I still feel a bit miffed when…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:32:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<p>Taste is the enemy of art, Emma. :)</p><blockquote><p>actually changing people's minds on something they are wrong about</p></blockquote><p>Has this ever actually happened? I imagine it to be something like the internet version of the sasquatch: widely rumoured to exist, but only crazy people have seen it.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:45:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>No worse feeling than your first post in a thread being the very last one.</p></blockquote><p>Silence is about the hardest thing to guage on the net. Without any visual clues, you've no idea if no-one is responding because they think you're an idiot, or because they think you've 'said it…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:31:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p>I've met some hard women in my time!</p><p>I guess it depends whether you really want people to hear your voice. If you're not fussed, then it's not a problem really. But if you feel you've got something to add, it's not that bad to not have any responses. You…</p>
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				<title>anjum rahman</title>
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						<p>just to make sure yours isn't the last on this thread...</p><p>worse still is when you post &amp; everyone ignores what you've said &amp; starts carries on the discussion as if you hadn't commented at all!</p><p>ben, i guess practice makes you better, or at least more comfortable with commenting &ndash; but…</p>
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				<title>Sam F</title>
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						<p>Rest easy Margaret &ndash; 22 year old male here, and I tend to think pretty much the same way about this stuff. </p><p>What stops me from commenting here more often than I do is a sense that I've seen less of the world and am less in tune with the…</p>
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				<title>Jolisa</title>
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						<p>This is such a fine discussion, so civil and illuminating. I'm reading every post, even if I am too busy in the kitchen making Christmas mince pies to reply to all...</p><blockquote><p>Ten days before Christmas, and you want women to do MORE voluntary work?</p><p>Are you MAD????</p></blockquote><p>What was I…</p>
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				<title>Margaret</title>
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						Ben, I think its more that whenever I want to write a comment on any website I feel a bit like I'm drunk at a party. I'll get excited and say what I mean but not in the way I mean to say it. Then I'll wake up the next…
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p>Margaret, did my <em>harden up</em> suggestion tip you over the edge? :-)</p><p>I know exactly what you mean, it was years before I made my first ever post. And it wasn't too long before I made a fool of myself either. But seriously, who cares if you do? They only…</p>
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				<title>paulalambert</title>
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						<p>As I recall, it was Russell who led me to PA but Tze Ming who kept me returning.  What a great description this was :<br />"You went through this place like a dose of the salts, in a good way. I will miss your brilliant prose, your assiduous non-taking of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:27:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Margaret</title>
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						I think that the reason I don't post here is less to do with being female and more to do with being young. I don't want to say something stupid and have clever people be mean to me. It is a bit pathetic but I've been scarred for life over…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:22:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Well, I didn't think Ben was an uncommon name until I went to Australia and they asked me what email address I wanted. I told them my first name and they went 'OK, that's pretty unusual, you might be able to get it just like that....yup, done'. 2 days later…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:05:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jolisa</title>
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						<blockquote><p>With apologies to all the Jolisa's out there, I'd never come across that name before and didn't know its gender.</p></blockquote><p>Ha! That takes me back to when I won a prize off the radio (big thrills for a 13 year old), and the package arrived, addressed to Mr Joe Lisa.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:44:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						<p>FYI (or should that be FWIW?) </p><p>I can't remember what the first <strong>Busytown</strong> blog I read was actually about, but I <em>do</em> remember having to struggle to determine whether it was written by a man or a women. With apologies to all the Jolisa's out there, I'd never come across…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:17:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p>At last, a female dominated thread.</p><p>I've just typed up a huge post, then deleted it all. What I have to say is simpler than the 500 feel-good words I was going to use to say it. My opinion on getting more people posting/commenting outside the liberal white middle classed…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:20:07 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>anjum rahman</title>
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						this brings up a lot of conflicting thoughts for me.  i agree that quotas aren't always helpful.  they do provide access to those who currently don't have access.  on the one hand,  that's all they should do ie if you don't have the quality, then you shouldn't get access in…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:48:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<blockquote><p>how many of the blogs you read are written by women?</p></blockquote><p>I find this question problematic, Julie, because I tend to read blogs in several categories: </p><p>&ndash; people I know/friends from various places, online and IRL<br />&ndash; issues which interest me (in my case, these subcategories are mostly TV, music,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:18:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						Julie: out of the 11 local blogs I have blog-rolled, 6 are exclusively written by women and another is 50-50. I also regularly read <a href="http://pandagon.blogsome.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Pandagon</a> and <a href="http://majikthise.typepad.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Majikthise</a> . <a href="http://firedoglake.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Firedoglake</a> is not exclusively written by women but the core posters are mostly women.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:57:52 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jeremy Andrew</title>
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						Credits for sex? Is that an NCA thing? Or is it something I can put on my Xmas list?
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				<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:26:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Julie Fairey</title>
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						<p>Well, I've been sitting back and not commenting on all of this stuff (other than privately to Tze Ming, Deborah and a couple of others) cos I was still thinking.  I'm still thinking, but I hope I have my thoughts in enough order to start to communicate them.</p><p>I used…</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>my last three posts were a) a list of dumb names I call my dogs; b) the top ten reasons why I think the Pixies still rule; and c) a fangirl gush about New York from Flavor of Love.</p></blockquote><p>The last thing I posted on my blog was a picture…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:19:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>daleaway</title>
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						<p>Ten days before Christmas, and you want women to do MORE voluntary work?</p><p>Are you MAD????</p>
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				<title>Heather Gaye</title>
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						How about PA start soliciting publicly for guest posts?  No harm in all the girlz/gayz/brownz submitting an article that they think might suit the timbre..  isn't that how freelance journalism works?  Also, why am I still up at this time on a school night?  Lordy!
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				<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:04:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<blockquote><p>However, it is really cool when Tze Ming or Jolisa post something that sparks off a feminist-centred discussion. I wouldn't mind more of that, even if it was from a guy.</p></blockquote><p>Word.</p><p>Also, not to get all Pollyanna on your asses, but twelve years ago when I first beheld the…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If I'm ever uncomfortable here, it's because you never know when someone I went to school with is going to pop up and say 'you were shitty at PE!' (Hi Kyle. :)</p></blockquote><p>In my defence, I should point out that you said it first, and I just confirmed it. Surely…</p>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<blockquote><p>My own personal nominations would be for Heather, Jo, Robyn or Danielle, leaving aside that whole 'has their own perfectly functional and popular blog'</p></blockquote><p>I am truly honoured to be mentioned, Emma! It must be noted, however, that although I do have a generally unpublicised, barely functional and not at…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:17:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						I'm of the view, Jolisa, that some more women posting and positing here would be a very good move, indeed. I used to be an avid Unifem, and I used to be hugely concerned by governmental politics. These days I'm more into the personal and particular. I address gender inequity…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:56:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Robyn Gallagher</title>
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						<p>PA System is male dominated, but the women who are regulars here have a lot to say and it doesn't <em>feel</em> male dominated.</p><p>A lot of the topics that get discussed here &ndash; politics, music, sport &ndash; have traditionally been a little blokey in some respects, but it never seems…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:54:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						Don't forget harvestbird, prose stylist that she is.
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And ... howz about tha ladeez nominate some of their own to write guest blogs? There are obvious candidates who I've been shy of asking because they have their own blogs, and it seems sort of paternalistic to ask.</p><p>But a little public pressure probably wouldn't go astray.</p><p>I vote…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Sue</title>
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						oo and ask those females you think would rock the PA blog, i bet they won't bite.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:24:07 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>i know she doesn't blog often</p><p>but i'd love to see someone like Tash Hall from webstock guest writing. She has an excellent way with words and especially with all the people she and mike hunt around to find for webstock, i'm sure she has some great stories to share.…</p>
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				<title>Deborah</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I have actually tapped someone who is not white, male, middle-aged or boring</p></blockquote><p>Hmmm &ndash; is this supposed to be a contrast to the existing writers?  If so, you really need to have a very dull, boring writer.  The existing writers are not boring at all.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Righto, I was going to raise this all tomorrow, but here's good.</p><p>Right up front, it's probably worth pointing out that the whiteymaleyiness is in part a product of the fact that <strong>white males post more often</strong>. Especially this one.</p><p>Also, there probably aren't many blog, even group blogs, where…</p>
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				<title>Jolisa</title>
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						<blockquote><p>no quota necessary</p></blockquote><p>Ah, but look what it did for NZ Music!</p><p>You're right, it is all about finding someone interesting. And yet for better or worse, even the most conscientious publications are at least three times as likely to "find" someone who is male. See <a href="http://www.womentk.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a> for some figures…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:36:46 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Heather Gaye</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I have a discussion about the politics of presence here on my blog.</p></blockquote><p>Aah, thanks for that.  Just the phrase "politics of presence" clarifies everything nicely.</p>
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				<title>NoFace</title>
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						<p>Why don't they do what they normally do- find someone who is interesting and even better has already submitted a blog, post it as a guest...see if they stay interesting and if they do keep them on...</p><p>no quota necessary thanks Public Media etc...u doin finewithout it</p>
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				<title>Deborah</title>
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						@Heather, "Weird" is just fine with me!
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						<blockquote><p>Unless you mean that being female necessarily informs one's opinions, and the manner in which one expresses them?</p></blockquote><p>I have a discussion about the politics of presence <a href="http://inastrangeland.wordpress.com/2007/12/10/ideals-and-reality/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a> on my blog.  It's quite pertinent to this discussion, but I don't want to just repost the whole thing here &ndash; it's…</p>
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				<title>Heather Gaye</title>
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						(Replace that opening comment with "hmmm, that's a difficult one")
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				<title>Heather Gaye</title>
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						<blockquote><p>They don’t need to be feminist posts per se, at all, nor posts deliberately couched as a woman’s perspective.</p></blockquote><p>That's a weird one.  The main reason I feel comfortable with PA is because my character already intersects quite considerably with the (predominantly white male) character/opinion base.  I wouldn't see the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:12:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p>Kia ora Jolissa &ndash; makes excellent sense, as does the common ground of being (possibly in the main, in the majority on this site) "huge freaking nerds and eccentric but good citizens()Reguardless..."</p><p>PA is a nice place to be in (with raw edges) and a good place to linger/lurk in…</p>
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				<title>Deborah</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And it seems to me the ground covered by feminism has enlarged and become more subtle, thus making it harder to define and yet easier to be. Does that make sense?</p></blockquote><p>Yes.</p>
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				<title>Deborah</title>
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						<p>I'm not keen on representation for the sake of representation, but I do think it would be good to see more women writing here.</p><p>Here's more or less where I end up on this issue, quoted from something I wrote on my own blog a couple of days ago.</p><blockquote><p>I…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Jolisa</title>
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						I have to say, too, PA System may be the politest forum I've encountered in 14 years of driving on the internet... as an exercise in civil society it's doing nicely. Of course, Tze Ming's point still stands, that it's perhaps too civil in some ways and unsocial in others...
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				<title>Jolisa</title>
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						<p>I'm thinking of the nutbars... mmm, peanut slabs... </p><p>Kia ora Islander, feminist because female. I do find it hard to imagine how anyone could live and breathe as a woman and not have that as part of their identity. And it seems to me the ground covered by feminism has…</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Speaking as someone who's car numberplate says 'nutbar' &ndash; Thanks!</p></blockquote><p>People hold their following distance, don't they?</p>
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				<title>Heather Gaye</title>
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						...AND ANOTHER THING... that PA system has evolved into a generally lively-but-moderate forum is an impressive feat that can't be overstated.  The fact that PA bloggers are still now actively seeking to encourage diversity &ndash; to make the site Better &ndash; is laudable.
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				<title>Jeremy Andrew</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Somebody, think of the nutbars!</p></blockquote><p>Speaking as someone who's car numberplate says 'nutbar' &ndash; Thanks!</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>* GOOD LORD: I'm more worried about getting angry backlash from this faintly-pro-white-male comment, than I have been about any other opinion I've ever written here.</p></blockquote><p>I was going to reply to this with a hugely sarcastic comment about wimmin's space being a No Backlash Place, but again, terrified of…</p>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p>Hey, excellent! The missing voices...I'm a feminist because I'm female<br />(and yes, I recognise a non sequitur) but I am also<br />*Kai Tahu ("Maori" also, but tribal definitely);<br />*rural &ndash; ALL you other bluggers are citycitycity!<br />*a makyr (poet/writer-who-lives-by-the-trade/storyteller)<br />*&amp; an artist (we seem a bit thin on the ground too…</p>
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				<title>Heather Gaye</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Somebody, think of the nutbars!</p></blockquote><p>* DISCLAIMER: I'm not saying that I think feminists or asians or maoris are the same as nutbars.  It was a whimsical reference to the fact that it's not only minorities that are uncomfortable on PA.</p><p>* GOOD LORD: I'm more worried about getting angry…</p>
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				<title>Heather Gaye</title>
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						<p>...but vaguely on-topic, I thought that PA bloggers were already picked specifically for their different perspectives, white male or not. </p><p>And not putting too fine a point on it, bloggers that are willing to represent minority views (especially those who do so at the expense of other topics) are often…</p>
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				<title>Jolisa</title>
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						<blockquote><p>How do you define feminist and who gets to do that...</p></blockquote><p>There's the old Rebecca West formula... "I myself have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is: I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat."</p><p>Problem…</p>
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				<title>Jolisa</title>
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						Absolutely agree, Danielle, that there are worse places. I can't say I've ever felt truly uncomfortable here, except when the odd (very odd) hate-mail landed in my inbox and made me second-guess the point of writing anything for public consumption. But I'm getting a thicker skin as time goes on,…
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>but it does rather beg the question of what a feminist looks like</p></blockquote><p>I asked this question recently because I don't think I know the answer any more. How do you define feminist and who gets to do that... Turned out to be a very effective way of avoiding actually…</p>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						Is this really a place where feminists feel uncomfortable? Perhaps I am, as usual, suffering from false consciousness and only *think* I'm a feminist (I have a lack of 'right-on-ness' on occasion, I know), but there are much much MUCH worse places for feminists than PAS. If I'm ever uncomfortable…
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				<title>Jolisa</title>
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						<p>Come on, sausage, you can handle it! And being the first commenter is a great start to the new dawn of a truly wimmin-friendly Public Address. </p><p>(Sorry for earworm!)</p>
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				<title>Heather Gaye</title>
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						Ack!  Right from mention of her name, I didn't read this article so much as listen to Dame Edna narrating it inside my head.  Worse than earworm!
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				<title>Public Address</title>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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