Public Address | Cafe | Busytown: Beware of the Leopard https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Jolisa https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=334867#post334867 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=334867#post334867 Thu, 22 Jan 2015 23:24:54 +1300 Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=334825#post334825 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=334825#post334825 There was no public meeting last night. ]]> Wed, 21 Jan 2015 13:34:43 +1300 Geoff Houtman https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=334577#post334577 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=334577#post334577 Excellent work Jolisa!

So it has become plain that the Community has no power, the Local Board has no power and unelected bureaucrats within Council still have all the power.

Who we elect to get actual democracy?

]]> Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:10:23 +1300 Jolisa https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=334127#post334127 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=334127#post334127 Thanks, Soon Lee. Not unexpected but a blow all the same.

There's now an Action Station page that makes it quick and easy for anyone to make their opinion instantly known to David Warburton at Auckland Transport.

Also a fundraising effort, for big professionally printed signs & banners to raise awareness,…

]]> Tue, 23 Dec 2014 12:16:25 +1300 Soon Lee https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=333842#post333842 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=333842#post333842 "Independent planning commissioners have concluded that, on balance, the roadworks around the St Lukes Road motorway interchange require the land on which the trees sit to be taken." ]]> Thu, 18 Dec 2014 14:38:55 +1300 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331642#post331642 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331642#post331642 I’ve been telling myself that it’s worth fighting the good fight even when we lose; because in asking all the questions and exposing the shape of the machinery, we help those who come next,

Exactly .It's not just about us . It's about the future of the planet and our…

]]> Fri, 14 Nov 2014 19:26:00 +1300 nzlemming https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331511#post331511 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331511#post331511 Rochelle (and nzlemming) that’s such a dispiriting story; makes you wonder what environment the EPA thinks it’s protecting. The only bright spot, I suppose, is the Environment Court’s ruling re Patricia Grace’s ancestral land… although will the highway simply veer around it, and continue on its monolithic way?

Correct. The…

]]> Tue, 11 Nov 2014 20:32:58 +1300 Jolisa https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331490#post331490 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331490#post331490 What you need is a Crimson Pimpernel!

I am sewing up the costume as we speak!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEtCEcuxprI

]]> Tue, 11 Nov 2014 13:53:07 +1300 Jolisa https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331489#post331489 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331489#post331489 Rochelle (and nzlemming) that's such a dispiriting story; makes you wonder what environment the EPA thinks it's protecting. The only bright spot, I suppose, is the Environment Court's ruling re Patricia Grace's ancestral land... although will the highway simply veer around it, and continue on its monolithic way?

I've been…

]]> Tue, 11 Nov 2014 13:51:40 +1300 nzlemming https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331416#post331416 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331416#post331416 And the monstrous Expressway with C/B Ratio of 0.4 is going full steam ahead.

Actually, the C/B is 0.2

]]> Mon, 10 Nov 2014 06:39:30 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331355#post331355 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331355#post331355 they seek him here…
where is Ian D when we need him?
Sadly, he is deep in the last 50 odd hours of packing up an entire house, full to the gunwales of far too much stuff – in preparation for earthquake damage repairs, at last.
So time-starved am I,…

]]> Fri, 07 Nov 2014 20:29:36 +1300 Rochelle https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331349#post331349 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331349#post331349 Thank you Jolisa for your eloquently written setting the scene, and detail of your feelings, your brave efforts.

It is not just Councils that set up the parameters of Hearings to 100% enable the result they want.
Here in Kapiti, we had the Western Link Road [actually linking the string…

]]> Fri, 07 Nov 2014 17:23:04 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331331#post331331 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331331#post331331 Fri, 07 Nov 2014 14:13:47 +1300 Brent Jackson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331326#post331326 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331326#post331326 Fri, 07 Nov 2014 13:58:18 +1300 Jeremy Andrew https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331325#post331325 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331325#post331325 it would have been a nice touch if the epic patience of my junior whānau support had been acknowledged.

If I was the youngster in tow, I would have been mightily disappointed at the lack of leopards in the whole process. I mean, its right there in the title...

]]> Fri, 07 Nov 2014 13:57:19 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331323#post331323 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331323#post331323 Who is the MP for that electorate?
And opposition list MP representing that electorate?

]]> Fri, 07 Nov 2014 13:46:42 +1300 Jolisa https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331319#post331319 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331319#post331319 And on reflection, the whole thing felt very rock-and-a-hard-place. Damned if they didn't let us speak, damned if they did and then disregarded what was said.

A mute point, one might say (where is Ian D when we need him? ;-).

]]> Fri, 07 Nov 2014 13:13:36 +1300 Jolisa https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331318#post331318 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331318#post331318 Oh, absolutely. I suppose was gratified on their behalf, given the weirdness of the context and the probable fruitlessness of their time, effort, and parking fees.

I was a bit shortchanged on the civility front, despite being scrupulously polite and explicitly grateful for the chance to speak. I don't really…

]]> Fri, 07 Nov 2014 13:09:39 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331317#post331317 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331317#post331317 I was gratified to see that he, like the Tree Council representative and Patricia, was warmly thanked for his contribution and for his patience.

It is gratifying, but it still kind of pisses me off because we shouldn't have to break out the oven fresh cookie jar for civil servants…

]]> Fri, 07 Nov 2014 13:02:48 +1300 Jolisa https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331314#post331314 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331314#post331314 at least the chair didn’t accuse you of talking like a cyclist.

I was hoping she would, so I could describe how we navigate that stretch of road on bikes with kids, and what I observe of the perils for intermediate and high school commuters. But, inadmissible.

]]> Fri, 07 Nov 2014 12:30:11 +1300 Jolisa https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331313#post331313 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331313#post331313 Here's another historical example of the sort of future-thinking our predecessors were engaged in, even during hard times. In the 1920s, Auckland City took advantage of the government subsidy for unemployed relief works to transform patches of wasteland into many of the parks we enjoy today.

The policy followed in creating…

]]> Fri, 07 Nov 2014 12:28:56 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331312#post331312 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331312#post331312 Fri, 07 Nov 2014 12:22:32 +1300 Jolisa https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331311#post331311 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331311#post331311 The story of the trees’ planting in 1934, found by Philip Lyth on PapersPast and tweeted by Jolisa this morning.

Yes, huge credit to Philip for that find. It was great — the commissioner had queried several times the 'urban legend' of the trees being planted on Arbor Day, saying…

]]> Fri, 07 Nov 2014 12:14:08 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331308#post331308 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331308#post331308 because I had publicly queried the process

respect her authoritah

]]> Fri, 07 Nov 2014 12:01:07 +1300 Jolisa https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331307#post331307 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331307#post331307 the hearing result is only a recommendation going to Council

I’m not so confident about that anymore. See comment above.

Yes, I believe AT is not actually bound by the result of the hearing (in which case, why have a hearing??) but may still need landowner consent, which I think…

]]> Fri, 07 Nov 2014 11:53:31 +1300 Jolisa https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331306#post331306 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331306#post331306 It was an interesting, if somewhat dispiriting experience. I'm usually comfortable and confident speaking to groups, but as a first-timer at one of these things, I left the table feeling confused, embarrassed, and unheard, and all the more admiring of people who are able to make their voices heard.

I…

]]> Fri, 07 Nov 2014 11:40:11 +1300 Jolisa https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331304#post331304 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331304#post331304 My submission was less successful. Having shown up early and waited for several hours (with a child accompanying me), I thought it worth taking the opportunity to speak, even if my words would leave no trace on the outcome.

The commissioner took time to remind me of the conditions of…

]]> Fri, 07 Nov 2014 11:35:17 +1300 Jolisa https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331303#post331303 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331303#post331303 A partial update: I went to the hearing. Jess Etheridge from the Central Leader was there to follow proceedings, and wrote up this report afterwards.

At the outset, it was made clear that there would be no revisiting of the decision re the invalidity of submissions that used the wrong…

]]> Fri, 07 Nov 2014 11:34:36 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331280#post331280 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331280#post331280 could be worse..

Proposed
Auckland
Regional
Plan

#pardon

]]> Thu, 06 Nov 2014 21:18:17 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331279#post331279 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331279#post331279 Pauper don't preach...
Proposed Auckland Unitary Plan {PAUP)
I can see why they didn't call it the Auckland Proposed Unitary Plan – no one wants to be sold APUP...

;- )

]]> Thu, 06 Nov 2014 20:42:23 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331277#post331277 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331277#post331277 the hearing result is only a recommendation going to Council

I'm not so confident about that anymore. See comment above.

]]> Thu, 06 Nov 2014 18:51:05 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331275#post331275 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331275#post331275 Just spotted that this is a Notification of Requirement (NoR) process. I am neither a planner nor a lawyer, but from what I've heard this reduces both Council's choices and the public's avenues of influence in favour of the interests of the 'Requiring Authority'.

The existing designation for that site…

]]> Thu, 06 Nov 2014 18:34:19 +1300 Marc C https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331274#post331274 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331274#post331274 I heard about this, am not informed in much detail, but this helps, and thanks for it.

I am concerned about a lot of things happening in Auckland, and also as part of the Proposed Auckland Unitary Plan hearings. I support the PAUP in part, but am resolutely opposed to…

]]> Thu, 06 Nov 2014 18:24:40 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331272#post331272 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331272#post331272 trees vs car
let's see, hmmm,
which one returns oxygen to the atmosphere?

]]> Thu, 06 Nov 2014 18:12:24 +1300 Steve Curtis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331264#post331264 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331264#post331264 If indeed the objectors are listed under modification to stormwater consent instead of the plan change than thats the horse to back.
I remember a few years back Woolworths got a new supermarket from PakNsave stopped in its tracks a few months before opening.
The method they used was an…

]]> Thu, 06 Nov 2014 14:06:13 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331262#post331262 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331262#post331262 one branch that needs… ]]> Thu, 06 Nov 2014 13:24:55 +1300 Nat https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331261#post331261 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331261#post331261 (Also: that thing where you stay up until 2 a.m. blogging on a school night, then notice that the giant wodge of paper accidentally includes the hourly rate of one of the experts [$190 plus GST] and you try not to do the maths on how many gratis hours all… ]]> Thu, 06 Nov 2014 13:03:47 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331259#post331259 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331259#post331259 The story of the trees' planting in 1934, found by Philip Lyth on PapersPast and tweeted by Jolisa this morning. ]]> Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:52:20 +1300 Howard Edwards https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331258#post331258 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331258#post331258 Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:30:54 +1300 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331257#post331257 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331257#post331257 Only a Vogon would destroy that.

This article also brings to mind another H2G2 gem:

__"There’s no point in acting surprised about it. All the planning charts and demolition orders have been on display at your local planning department in Alpha Centauri for 50 of your Earth years, so you’ve…

]]> Thu, 06 Nov 2014 11:53:29 +1300 TracyMac https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331256#post331256 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331256#post331256 Thu, 06 Nov 2014 11:21:38 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331255#post331255 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331255#post331255 Oh OK so it's only those 6 trees then? And presumably keeping them would mean they were then up against the curb rather than on the other side of the footpath? As they are along long stretches of Tamaki Drive.

Not sure I have an opinion any more, other than…

]]> Thu, 06 Nov 2014 10:49:13 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331254#post331254 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331254#post331254 they didn’t see it as their business to consider anything but the most optimum flow of cars

Biggest problem with transport culture infecting the key agencies: their unit of attention is the vehicle, not people or goods, and certainly not places other than as things you whiz through. It's like…

]]> Thu, 06 Nov 2014 10:31:27 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331253#post331253 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331253#post331253 What possible reason is there to take them down? Surely the motorway isn’t going to be widened right up to the footpath beside Gt North Rd?

Not the motorway. In the plans, Great North Road heading away from the city gets an extra lane turning left over the (soon to…

]]> Thu, 06 Nov 2014 10:29:17 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331252#post331252 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331252#post331252 Furthermore, the “desired outcome” has been designed around a worst-case scenario for the two hour peak traffic window westbound. Option 6, which keeps the trees for example, achieves similar effects.

I saw an email from one of the planners that really illustrated the problem — they didn't see it as…

]]> Thu, 06 Nov 2014 10:17:12 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331251#post331251 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331251#post331251 Treehuggers should consider the branch-removal options, I think.

Well that's hardly a big ask, since they prune the trees all the time anyway. They're only that shape at all because they were pruned into it. Otherwise there would be pohutukawa branches sticking out onto Gt North Rd right now. Most…

]]> Thu, 06 Nov 2014 10:14:59 +1300 Jolisa https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331249#post331249 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331249#post331249 From the hearings room... The Waitemata Local Board argues that alternatives allowing for tree retention were never properly explored, and that Auckland Transport is engaged in a "backfilling" exercise to justify a foregone conclusion.

Furthermore, the "desired outcome" has been designed around a worst-case scenario for the two hour peak…

]]> Thu, 06 Nov 2014 10:03:43 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331248#post331248 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331248#post331248 I looked at the issues around the redevelopment of this intersection back in June. This is the problem with the trees.

The trees could stay. The main problem is that the plans call for Great North Road to be raised 1.5m at the intersection, to ease the transition to the…

]]> Thu, 06 Nov 2014 09:52:54 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331247#post331247 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331247#post331247 Thu, 06 Nov 2014 09:50:14 +1300 bob daktari https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331246#post331246 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331246#post331246 Thu, 06 Nov 2014 09:42:39 +1300 Duncan McKenzie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331245#post331245 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331245#post331245 IANAL but ...

Invite the Council to consider three or maybe four things

Do the RMA regulations require an accurate application number on the submission form? (The answer is no – Councils design their own form which follows the regulations but often seek additional information).

Do the submissions clearly identify…

]]> Thu, 06 Nov 2014 09:28:33 +1300 Abbie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331243#post331243 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331243#post331243 Thu, 06 Nov 2014 09:06:07 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331242#post331242 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331242#post331242 Thu, 06 Nov 2014 09:00:01 +1300 Abbie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331241#post331241 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331241#post331241 Thu, 06 Nov 2014 08:56:27 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331239#post331239 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331239#post331239 the elected representatives whom most of us mistakenly think wield more power

They are more of a check-and-balance, and in Auckland the Mayor's office has more powers and resources than in any other council.

]]> Thu, 06 Nov 2014 08:34:02 +1300 Jolisa https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331238#post331238 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331238#post331238 all but one councillor entered the building by the back door to avoid us

How eloquent! Thanks, Abbie – I was thinking of the Waitara pohutukawa while writing last night, and hoping to find a way to link the stories. I'm sure there are others out there, as well.

Also…

]]> Thu, 06 Nov 2014 08:32:05 +1300 Jolisa https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331237#post331237 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331237#post331237 Resolving this bureaucratic tangle soon enough to make a difference may require political leadership moreso than lawyers. What approaches have been made to the Mayor, Deputy Mayor, Councillors, etc?

No formal approaches yet, as it's moving quite fast – have to get dressed and head to town! – but I…

]]> Thu, 06 Nov 2014 08:29:31 +1300 Abbie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331236#post331236 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331236#post331236 Thu, 06 Nov 2014 08:26:36 +1300 Jolisa https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331235#post331235 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331235#post331235 Thu, 06 Nov 2014 08:25:38 +1300 Jolisa https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331234#post331234 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331234#post331234 Thu, 06 Nov 2014 08:22:45 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331233#post331233 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331233#post331233 Disgusting. Councils are traditionally worried about following the letter of resource law because technical flaws have landed them in court when folk disagree with their decisions. It makes for a very unattractive culture around what should be engaging civic processes as Jolisa has so eloquently painted here.

Resolving this bureaucratic…

]]> Thu, 06 Nov 2014 08:07:52 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331232#post331232 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331232#post331232 really good excuses. But in the end they… ]]> Thu, 06 Nov 2014 08:07:28 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331228#post331228 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331228#post331228 Thu, 06 Nov 2014 07:13:45 +1300 Kebabette https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331227#post331227 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331227#post331227 Thu, 06 Nov 2014 05:14:48 +1300 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331226#post331226 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/busytown-beware-of-the-leopard/?p=331226#post331226 Discussion from blog post.

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