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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Confidentiality and all that.</q></p><p>Priceless.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2018 18:53:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p>I have no idea.</p><p>I guess there will be some official public announcement any time soon, though how much detail I don't know.  Confidentiality and all that.  ;-)</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2018 16:25:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>This case has been settled out of court</q></p><p>So it does not set any legal precedent?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2018 15:38:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p>Believe it or not Sacha, that bit of news had passed us by.  Somehow. </p><p>However.....</p><p>Stop press!!!</p><p>This case has been settled out of court.</p><p>This is good news for most of us as hanging around in court for weeks was going to be very difficult.  </p><p>OTOH, yours truly was…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2018 14:54:46 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Some surprise <a href="https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/top/359421/ministry-concedes-caregivers-should-have-been-paid" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">progress</a>.</p><p><q>Prior to 2012 the Ministry of Health had a long-standing policy or practice of preventing resident family members of people with disabilities from being paid for care work. But recent court rulings say that law was discriminatory and relatives should have been paid.</p><p>The lawyer Simon Judd…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2018 21:16:40 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						Here's a thoughtful related piece Merryn Gott (end of life care expert at Auckland Uni school of nursing) has written for Newsroom, focussed on palliative care. Although her interest is end of life, many of her findings are equally applicable to family carers for people with complex disability or health…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2018 11:14:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>Julie Anne Genter</q></p><p>is <a href="https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/healthcare-sector-committed-reducing-carbon-footprint" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">busy right now</a> killing two birds with one stone.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2018 16:41:44 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						<p>The family who has won their claim is one of those featured by ally Mike Wesley Smith in his TV3 (the Nation I think) report last year. He followed up on TV tonight.</p><p>Julie Anne Genter has been delegated Assoc Minister responsibility for Disability Support Services by Health Minister David…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2018 21:17:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>Thanks. Do you have all the policy/operational docs mentioned in the judgement yet? Sounds like a confused mess, to be charitable.</q></p><p>Do I?    Do large hairy beasties go poo poo in the woods?</p><p><a href="https://publicaddress.net/access/help-needed-deciphering-the-plan-for-high/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Right here.</a>      Ride the time machine...</p><p><a href="http://d3nd7i493f0o21.cloudfront.net/assets/nasc.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">NASC Guideline-High Cost Community Plans.</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2018 07:31:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>I’m hoping this new govt may finally do the right thing and instruct officials to get on with carrying out their actual legal responsibilities rather than dodging them in court.</q></p><p>Trouble is that unless this Government repeals the part 4 amendment to the PHDAct they legally have no responsibility for…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2018 23:20:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Thanks. Do you have all the policy/operational docs mentioned in the judgement yet? Sounds like a confused mess, to be charitable.</p><p>Yes it will be interesting seeing another round of mealy-mouthed squirming. RNZ web story tomorrow morning will apparently include written MoH response but we'll see how long they can…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2018 22:53:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p>Thanks Sacha...I'm so busy discussing this elsewhere and with 'friends' I completely overlooked following it through MSM.  I will listen to the interviews.</p><p>About clauses 75&amp;76...you might be interested Sacha in a little OIA request I made late last year regarding what follow up the Ministry had done on a 1999…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2018 22:32:06 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Interviews with lawyer and mother early on Morning Report tomorrow Thu 8 Feb, I'm told.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2018 22:18:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>A related appeal judgement: <a href="http://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/cases/chamberlain-v-minister-of-health/@@images/fileDecision?r=256.126860282" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/cases/chamberlain-v-minister-of-health/@@images/fileDecision?r=256.126860282</a></p><p>Clauses 75 and 76 are especially significant.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2018 21:32:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p>Just an update.</p><p>It looks like the earliest our case will be heard is February 2019.</p><p>Crown Law are outdoing themselves, going full feral on demands for 'disclosure'.  </p><p>Some of our fellow plaintiffs are finding the latest demands for ridiculously specific information too much, and are considering pulling out from…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2017 08:54:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>It seems every statement the Ministry makes must be carefully scrutinised, the public can no longer be confident of the integrity or accuracy of the information the Ministry provides to the Courts.</q></p><p>Indeed.</p><p>So it was back in 2008 when Atkinson was heard at the HRRT.  Economist <a href="http://www.eastonbh.ac.nz/2008/10/evidence-to-the-human-rights-review-tribunal/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Brian Easton</a> assisted…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2017 12:51:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						Interesting that the Ministry says that it estimated the number of disabled New Zealanders who might potentially be Ministry funded service users in 2008 using the 2006 NZ disability census data, that is, based on the portion identifying as severely disabled with a long term impairment. They conveniently forgot about…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2017 17:32:30 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						<p><q>"non compliant service arrangements"</q></p><p>Surely that's barse-ackwards, being that those are some of the few who meet the legal... ah, and there's a little problem for the miserly, indeed. Say no more, squire, there's nothing to  interest the likes of us.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2017 21:19:54 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p>OMG!!!</p><p>Pigs <strong>can</strong> fly!!!</p><p>A wee while back I made what I thought would be a futile OIA request to the Misery of Health for more information about the 272 MOH:DSS clients who had resident family members as their paid carers as told to the Human Rights Review Tribunal in…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jul 2017 13:33:47 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						Thanks Hilary, I'll be going to that meeting.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2017 22:10:09 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						It was a weird meeting because none of the speakers were the party spokespeople and two of them, Greg O'Connor (Labour) and Teall (Greens). aren't even MPs so had not been at any caucus discussions about the topic. So they had to find the last minute policy answers from papers…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2017 20:51:08 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<p>Vile policy has consequences, you’d hope – with an election coming up.<br />That was Wairarapa MP Alastair Scott, standing in for Nicky “out on the harbour” Wagner.<br />(N.B. Scott may have become the National rep at short notice — because bad weather prevented many of the scheduled reps from getting…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2017 10:48:38 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						There was a session in Wellington to get the policy of political parties on physical accessibility of buildings among other things. National's representative astounded the group by saying that "love has consequences" when he was asked about the existing situation where a disabled person can lose their entire income if…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2017 09:42:20 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Thank you, Rosemary and Peter. It will be better some day because of your commitment.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2017 20:19:02 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Katharine Moody</title>
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						I strongly believe there is a great deal of public interest in this kind of 'epic' in terms of years of injustice. The adage: 'justice delayed is justice denied' is to my mind abhorrent, and I suspect would be for most. Society is so focused these days on the eradication…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2017 18:44:04 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>It is also such a waste of resources. There has to be a better way.</q></p><p>There was a stab at facilitation/mediation a couple of weeks ago....the discussion inside the room is supposed to be confidential so I'll refrain from blabbing.  Suffice to say, both parties were encouraged to find a…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2017 15:10:16 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>Applied to Minister? </q></p><p>No…the Human Rights Review Tribunal shortly after the Atkinson decision was released in January 2010.  The Miserly claimed it needed the decision suspended until a year after the appeals process had been through in order to get the disability support system organised to cope with removing the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2017 14:48:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						Thanks Katherine...do you really think that there will be (hopefully sympathetic) interest out there in telly land for yet another one of these cases?  Peter and I don't watch telly at all...so we're out of touch with that media.  Any suggestions gratefully received...some of the other plaintiffs are dead keen…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2017 14:36:45 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						Thank you for this update Rosemary. I can't believe how long these cases drag on for. It is also such a waste of resources. There has to be a better way.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:02:20 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kevin McCready</title>
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						Thanks Rosemary. Great article. "successfully applied for a Suspension Order under s 92O (2) (d) of the Human Rights Act." Applied to Minister? Can you tell us more about why Ruth Dyson's attempts failed?
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				<title>Katharine Moody</title>
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						My admiration for you and the other six families is tremendous. Not that anything will make much difference other than finally sticking it up the bastards. Hope you have the victory campaign worked out &ndash; there's a very good investigative journo and film crew at <em>Newsroom</em>.  To my mind this…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2017 14:02:49 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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