Public Address | Cafe | Access: Some aspects of New Zealand's disability history - part two https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=346421#post346421 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=346421#post346421 Mon, 24 Aug 2015 08:55:11 +1200 Tia King https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=346416#post346416 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=346416#post346416 Sun, 23 Aug 2015 22:26:03 +1200 Chris Waugh https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335867#post335867 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335867#post335867 Grave lack of data – more on the Tokanui cemetery. ]]> Sat, 21 Feb 2015 14:09:42 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335443#post335443 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335443#post335443 interview with Disability Rights Commissioner Paul Gibson about addressing historic (and ongoing) abuse ]]> Wed, 11 Feb 2015 09:36:16 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335422#post335422 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335422#post335422 Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:37:06 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335421#post335421 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335421#post335421 Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:34:15 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335398#post335398 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335398#post335398 these unfortunates. One of the victims listed, a woman who suffered from a severely disabling psychiatric illness, was the grandmother of someone I know. While the official account states that those who died were locked in their wards, her family… ]]> Mon, 09 Feb 2015 17:08:45 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335393#post335393 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335393#post335393 http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/65934359/Dignity-for-lost-souls-from-Tokanui-Psychiatric-Hospital ]]> Mon, 09 Feb 2015 16:21:17 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335118#post335118 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335118#post335118 If something life-threateningly bad was going to happen to you in the old health department gulag it seems likely that it would have been in one of the institutions designed to deal with ‘criminal’ behaviour, such as Lake Alice or Porirua.

When Kimberley became the Levin Hospital and Training School…

]]> Sat, 31 Jan 2015 09:39:22 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335098#post335098 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335098#post335098 Joe, I’m not sure where the linking of psychopaedic nurses and concentration camp guards came from, but certainly not from me.

It was the stuff about the individual kindness shown to patients by their carers being of little value. While I make no claim that they were anything other than…

]]> Fri, 30 Jan 2015 15:31:03 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335096#post335096 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335096#post335096 So I take back the allegation that there are unmarked graves from the Kimberley era.
Thank you kindly Hilary. It only bothers me because I know that if it were true it would reflect badly on people who, while their methods might have been of another era, were essentially decent…

]]> Fri, 30 Jan 2015 15:15:15 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335094#post335094 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335094#post335094 Fri, 30 Jan 2015 14:43:57 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335088#post335088 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335088#post335088 Fri, 30 Jan 2015 13:37:23 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335078#post335078 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335078#post335078 I would have to offer that it would only take a small number of bad apples, and enough of the good one’s remaining silent, to give the very real perception to some that indeed the nurses were ‘guards’.
Rosemary, my mother was directed into psychopaedic nursing in 1940 at the…

]]> Fri, 30 Jan 2015 12:20:06 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335070#post335070 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335070#post335070 t must be acknowledged that those former residents are from a section in our society who are routinely dismissed and their veracity undermined.

Then, and now.
Like any group they're a mixed bunch. To acknowledge that is to acknowledge their humanity. For example, the former Kimberley inmate in the link…

]]> Fri, 30 Jan 2015 10:35:12 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335067#post335067 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335067#post335067 "equating the psychopaedic nurses of yesteryear with concentration camp guards seems utterly horrible."

Until someone pops up with a better response, and to keep the issue alive, I would have to offer that it would only take a small number of bad apples, and enough of the good one's remaining…

]]> Fri, 30 Jan 2015 10:30:58 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335065#post335065 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335065#post335065 Joe, I only know what I’ve read…and occasionally there is a hint that there are unmarked graves at the Kimberly site.

Apart from Hilary Stace's repeated allegations, based on unsubstantiated rumour? Seriously again, have you thought through the implications? In pretty well all of its incarnations Kimberley had a medical…

]]> Fri, 30 Jan 2015 09:59:38 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335058#post335058 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335058#post335058 Seriously, part of me is still spewing over that vile piece of fantasy. Self-serving nonsense like that only degrades PAS.

Joe, I only know what I've read...and occasionally there is a hint that there are unmarked graves at the Kimberly site.

I would also like to see more evidence, or…

]]> Fri, 30 Jan 2015 08:56:26 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335054#post335054 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335054#post335054 When a bunch of guys from Lions or Rotary would rock on up and say, “hey, we’ll get the gear together and do the job on the weekend”.

Ladies, a plate.

Presumably that's how they buried the bodies at that little kiwi answer to Auschwitz, the hapless Kimberley Centre, back…

]]> Thu, 29 Jan 2015 23:00:50 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335052#post335052 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335052#post335052 Yayyyy!

Peter and I had a random hook up with an ancillary medical person (in the disability field) at a campsite. This guy had started his apprenticeship the year Peter broke his neck...1970. He had helped make the pen holder Peter still uses today.

We got all nostalgic for the…

]]> Thu, 29 Jan 2015 22:05:29 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335046#post335046 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335046#post335046 Thu, 29 Jan 2015 17:24:56 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335045#post335045 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335045#post335045 That work will take months,

Actually, the 'work' won't take months.

The paperwork will.

Rips my undies it does when I read this rubbish...as if its a major widening a doorway (done it myself) or stripping out a bathroom (ditto) and leveling a floor(yep) and replacing drains and pipework (gee,…

]]> Thu, 29 Jan 2015 17:16:47 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335040#post335040 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335040#post335040 Thu, 29 Jan 2015 15:20:37 +1300 Angela Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335039#post335039 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=335039#post335039 Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:47:00 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334888#post334888 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334888#post334888 Fri, 23 Jan 2015 13:12:25 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334882#post334882 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334882#post334882 Just came across this fascinating piece about those family decisions about institutionalisation etc. Part of University of Otago’s Prof of History Barbara Brookes’ work on shame. A different academic approach to the topic.
http://remedianetwork.net/2014/08/08/family-emotional-economies-and-disability-at-birth/

]]> Fri, 23 Jan 2015 11:14:16 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334701#post334701 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334701#post334701 Sun, 18 Jan 2015 12:51:40 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334691#post334691 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334691#post334691 If there are any graves on the site of the old state farm they may, for all I know, date from the time when the place was used as a reformatory or borstal prior to WW2.
If they exist they're unmarked.

]]> Sat, 17 Jan 2015 20:19:27 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334690#post334690 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334690#post334690 My information comes from People First who are not happy about the use of this site.

It’s not so long ago that unhallowed human remains could be found around the Kimberley area. On a trip to nearby bushland in the late 1950s a party of inmates from the then Levin…

]]> Sat, 17 Jan 2015 18:35:35 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334689#post334689 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334689#post334689 Sat, 17 Jan 2015 17:40:59 +1300 Angela Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334674#post334674 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334674#post334674 Thanks Rosemary, well worth a read and they're not the only special needs family to have encountered the obstructive misdirection of Mr Ryall, who was at least consistent. Good riddance!
I had already heard of this project but didn't realise they intend to use Kimberley ground. I'm not sure about…

]]> Fri, 16 Jan 2015 23:45:22 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334673#post334673 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334673#post334673 Worth a visit to their facebook page.

Thank you. That appears to be the former single men's staff quarters, built in the early 1960s, in the background.

]]> Fri, 16 Jan 2015 23:45:09 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334672#post334672 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334672#post334672 Worth a visit to their facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/Rainbowsrespite (open access, no need to have fb account)

Very good background to the genesis of this project.

Although, I wonder if they understand there may be some sensitivity required.

Having said that...this is what is said about everyone's favourite former Minister of…

]]> Fri, 16 Jan 2015 23:26:29 +1300 Angela Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334666#post334666 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334666#post334666 Fri, 16 Jan 2015 20:35:56 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334665#post334665 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334665#post334665 Kimberly Centre gest a new lease on life…..

I was wondering when someone was going to get around to linking to that.

That Kimberley site has too many ghosts. As well as unmarked graves.

Too many living people with genuine recollections to treat the place as a kind of terra…

]]> Fri, 16 Jan 2015 20:23:44 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334664#post334664 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334664#post334664 Fri, 16 Jan 2015 19:22:33 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334663#post334663 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334663#post334663 Kimberly Centre gest a new lease on life.....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/65109228/Couple-plan-respite-centre-for-children

]]> Fri, 16 Jan 2015 18:48:18 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334035#post334035 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334035#post334035 This document indicates some of the thinking of Treasury and the Government.

Well worth a read.

http://www.treasury.govt.nz/government/longterm/fiscalposition/2013/pdfs/ltfs-13-bg-lcfs.pdf

]]> Mon, 22 Dec 2014 08:46:35 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334034#post334034 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334034#post334034 We already know more than enough about what would work better. Have done for years. Getting on with it requires coherent commitment and more leadership all round (

"Our activism should be for big changes, not individual pieces of equipment "

YES...we do Sacha....so why does the system demand that…

]]> Mon, 22 Dec 2014 08:03:46 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334022#post334022 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334022#post334022 Sun, 21 Dec 2014 21:28:04 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334021#post334021 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334021#post334021 http://collections.tepapa.govt.nz/exhibitions/RitaAngus/Artworks.aspx?irn=709 ]]> Sun, 21 Dec 2014 21:10:54 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334020#post334020 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334020#post334020 Sun, 21 Dec 2014 19:58:12 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334018#post334018 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334018#post334018 I wonder why, if her brain injury is the result of falling into a swimming pool…this young lass isn’t covered by ACC?

Indeed. My former neighbour got a ramp for his Housing NZ duplex funded by ACC, so after he died the flat was wheelchair-ready for the next tenant.

]]> Sun, 21 Dec 2014 19:39:39 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334016#post334016 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334016#post334016 Quentin Angus, lawyer and brother of painter Rita

Good point thanks, Martin. Does her art reflect that personal relationship with disability?

]]> Sun, 21 Dec 2014 17:57:17 +1300 Martin Sullivan https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334015#post334015 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=334015#post334015 Sun, 21 Dec 2014 17:49:14 +1300 Angela Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333998#post333998 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333998#post333998 Our activism should be for big changes, not individual pieces of equipment.

+1

]]> Sun, 21 Dec 2014 12:29:25 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333997#post333997 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333997#post333997 In an ideal world, there would be an organisation representing dissabled people....au fait with the variety of impairments and requisitries to leading a ' normal' life...to whom a disabled person to go to for advice, advocacy and if necessary...non violent direct activism.

Those things don't have to be provided by…

]]> Sun, 21 Dec 2014 12:03:29 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333996#post333996 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333996#post333996 DHBs are responsible for adults 65 and over like NASCs are for younger. May also be an intellectual impairment-related RIDCA contract that the DHB is somehow providing directly. Must be factors here we haven't heard yet.

And yes, the biggest gaps are the coordination between agencies and advocacy on behalf…

]]> Sun, 21 Dec 2014 12:00:00 +1300 Angela Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333995#post333995 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333995#post333995 Although physical disability was not as shameful to families as intellectual disability, services were often hard to find.

Shame. That's my understanding of the cultural response to disability in the Islands, correct me if I'm wrong.

When you look back you see how much things have (slowly) changed for the…

]]> Sun, 21 Dec 2014 11:59:35 +1300 Angela Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333994#post333994 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333994#post333994 Sun, 21 Dec 2014 11:42:50 +1300 WaterDragon https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333976#post333976 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333976#post333976 Sat, 20 Dec 2014 11:23:17 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333961#post333961 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333961#post333961 It would seem to me that this lass fits either in MOH:DSS or ACC. More questions than answers here. Surely to god there must be a better way of securing basic bleeding needs than having to go to the media?

In an ideal world, there would be an organisation representing…

]]> Fri, 19 Dec 2014 22:29:25 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333958#post333958 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333958#post333958 The follow-up – DHB mysteriously finds it can do the job right away after some publicity.

Maybe the swimming pool wasn't in NZ? Still don't know how a DHB is responsible for other than older people's support services.

]]> Fri, 19 Dec 2014 20:21:51 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333955#post333955 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333955#post333955 Fri, 19 Dec 2014 19:56:59 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333927#post333927 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333927#post333927 Surely this is Taikura Trust’s bailiwick?

I don't understand that aspect of the story either.

]]> Fri, 19 Dec 2014 12:44:35 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333922#post333922 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333922#post333922 This kind of thing REALLY pisses me off.

It seems like Mum is providing most or all of the care for this young lass.

The reality is, that if a Contracted Provider was sending in carers...these issues would come under a 'workplace safety' banner and get sorted fast.

Unpaid, family…

]]> Fri, 19 Dec 2014 11:58:02 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333919#post333919 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333919#post333919 for several years. ]]> Fri, 19 Dec 2014 11:08:14 +1300 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333895#post333895 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333895#post333895 Emerge has just emailed with a very positive response. Going to see them in January. A helpful attitude goes a long way.

I've just registered with them too, and they're the ones who suggested the MEP, which I didn't know even existed until they told me about it.

]]> Thu, 18 Dec 2014 21:24:49 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333772#post333772 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333772#post333772 Wed, 17 Dec 2014 16:21:55 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333767#post333767 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333767#post333767 It is good to see positive feedback about one these organisations.

There is so much Govt. funding going into various groups and schemes and programmes, with seemingly little in the way of sustainable, positive outcomes.

I understand that having a choice of providers is a plus....but how does one decide…

]]> Wed, 17 Dec 2014 14:21:55 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333765#post333765 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333765#post333765 Wed, 17 Dec 2014 13:38:35 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333762#post333762 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333762#post333762 http://www.q-nique.co.nz/supported-employment.html

http://www.emergetrust.org.nz/

So many providers of Supported Employment for those with disabilities....all sound so positive...

So...?

]]> Wed, 17 Dec 2014 13:14:06 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333757#post333757 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333757#post333757 Here.....http://www.asenz.org.nz/about-asenz-and-supported-employment/

Sounds really good.....

(but with my deep distrust of anything associated with NZDSN...)

But don't let that put anyone off....

]]> Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:09:55 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333755#post333755 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333755#post333755 Wed, 17 Dec 2014 11:32:18 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333754#post333754 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333754#post333754 At Kimberley and other places, as Robert Martin reports in his book, Becoming a person, there were also some good people with the best of intentions. Some were in official roles and some were just kind staff. But the systems were set up to oppress them all.

I’m sure that…

]]> Wed, 17 Dec 2014 11:26:38 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333747#post333747 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333747#post333747 it is a brilliant concept

There we disagree. Public sector organisations could easily be required to hire disabled people without needing a salary bribe. That way, the limited funding could fund supports and extra professional development and coaching services for both employee and workplace colleagues and managers.

I see Mainstream…

]]> Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:57:34 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333745#post333745 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333745#post333745 Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:54:37 +1300 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333744#post333744 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333744#post333744 Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:53:44 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333743#post333743 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333743#post333743 The Donald Beasley Institute in Dunedin evaluated the whole process from the perspectives of staff, families and residents and the reports are on their website if anyone cares to read them.

Thanks Hilary, I'm still working my way through the material. While it relates to a later period than what…

]]> Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:45:56 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333725#post333725 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333725#post333725 Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:03:16 +1300 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333707#post333707 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333707#post333707 The concept of rehabilitation became strongly linked with employment, as in the development of the organisation which became the Rehabilitation League and which still exists as employment service Workbridge.

I've approached them for possible assistance, in the hope of career-changing from what is becoming a sunset industry, and so far…

]]> Tue, 16 Dec 2014 22:50:37 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333705#post333705 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333705#post333705 a Blyton society...
It was at the end of the sixth form and five of us had somehow wound up on a committee tasked with exploring potential...
Five Go Mad on Munificence!

]]> Tue, 16 Dec 2014 21:42:42 +1300 Andre https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333704#post333704 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333704#post333704 Tue, 16 Dec 2014 21:26:34 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333701#post333701 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333701#post333701 Tue, 16 Dec 2014 20:52:43 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333700#post333700 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333700#post333700 An interesting paper from 2001 on the closure of Templeton....from a socio-economic/political standpoint. http://ir.canterbury.ac.nz/bitstream/10092/920/1/thesis_fulltext.pdf

This paper concludes....
"The social philosophy of normalisation has continued to promote the social inclusion and participation of people with intellectual disabilities while neo-liberalism has declined in the political discourse of the health sector. However, the…

]]> Tue, 16 Dec 2014 20:27:02 +1300 Andre https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333699#post333699 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333699#post333699 Many baked beans fans may of course rejoice in his choice of Xmas fare and just hope he upped the ante and splashed out on Watties with a sprinkling of grated cheese on toast. I'd probably steer towards sweet corn myself.
Many traits exhibited by single men without family connections…

]]> Tue, 16 Dec 2014 20:25:03 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333697#post333697 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333697#post333697 Tue, 16 Dec 2014 19:27:18 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333695#post333695 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333695#post333695 Tue, 16 Dec 2014 18:51:32 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333694#post333694 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333694#post333694 Highway 57 turns very sharply to the right on the final appraoch into Levin. Arapaepae Road becomes Kimberly Road at this bend.

Arapaepae carries on beyond Kimberley in my recollection, but I understand your direction now, thanks :)

]]> Tue, 16 Dec 2014 17:54:27 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333693#post333693 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333693#post333693 ".... to insufficient space inside and outside for James to be able to release his energy when stressed. "

Thats along the lines of what I was trying to say....more space, more room, to roam safely. Hard to do in town, on a small section.

I am certainly not suggesting…

]]> Tue, 16 Dec 2014 17:54:23 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333692#post333692 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333692#post333692 Thanks Hilary, really appreciate the update. For good or ill that place shaped me.

About work conditions for the disabled – with the kind of import restrictions in place in the 50s and 60s Levin was then a booming small manufacturing centre, which promised a good fit with the impetus…

]]> Tue, 16 Dec 2014 17:43:56 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333691#post333691 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333691#post333691 Highway 57 turns very sharply to the right on the final appraoch into Levin. Arapaepae Road becomes Kimberly Road at this bend. About a hundred metres or so past that bend is the entrance to Kimberly.

In a car....might not be noticed. In our Bus, however....takes about 100meters or so…

]]> Tue, 16 Dec 2014 17:40:34 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333688#post333688 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333688#post333688 Tue, 16 Dec 2014 17:16:27 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333687#post333687 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333687#post333687 Tue, 16 Dec 2014 17:12:23 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333686#post333686 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333686#post333686 And a few weeks ago we took the back route from Palmerston North through to Levin. I had to slow down to nearly stationery for the sharp bend at the end….and asked Peter what on earth was lurking behind that hedge….hidden, unkempt, gloomy…."That’s Kimberly….”

Enough said.

While I can understand…

]]> Tue, 16 Dec 2014 17:10:55 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333684#post333684 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333684#post333684 Tue, 16 Dec 2014 17:01:54 +1300 daleaway https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333683#post333683 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333683#post333683 Happily off topic.
I'm intrigued by the IHC kiddies on the roundabout. I swung on that very roundabout many times in the 1950s but did not know of any IHC facility in the neighbourhood.

In those days the Basin Reserve was closely ringed by schools – primaries Mt Cook (new…

]]> Tue, 16 Dec 2014 16:47:59 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333682#post333682 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333682#post333682 “Homes” do not have to be some Dickensian nightmare. Surely it is possible, with the benefit of history and hindsight, to have establishments where care can be provided in a safe and loving, but professional environment?

It takes strong oversight arrangements to keep things on track.

]]> Tue, 16 Dec 2014 15:13:59 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333681#post333681 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333681#post333681 The question of how to accommodate those who are unable to live independantly....for whatever reason...is complicated.

So often we see knee jerk reactions to reports of neglect, abuse and generally miserable living conditions. We close down the 'institutions' and chuck the baby out with the bath water.

Factions develop, with…

]]> Tue, 16 Dec 2014 14:53:56 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333680#post333680 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333680#post333680 Sincerely hoping your Aunt rests in peace.

Thank you. We'll be putting her ashes with her parents soon, just across the road from where I last took her to lunch at Palmers. But I think of her as at rest now.

]]> Tue, 16 Dec 2014 14:40:35 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333678#post333678 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333678#post333678 and it was an absolute litany of a person being jerked around as if they have no rights at all, from start to finish. The number of times she’d been uprooted just when she was settling in to a new home went on for pages.

It would be interesting to…

]]> Tue, 16 Dec 2014 14:03:13 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333677#post333677 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333677#post333677 a little of its history ]]> Tue, 16 Dec 2014 13:50:27 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333676#post333676 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333676#post333676 Socially concerned even as a young person. Not surprising.

Many of the Templeton residents transferred to Brackenridge when Templeton closed and it opened but that facility was in the news last year. Some aspects problematic.
Re recycled institutions: I think there is a plaque at AUT? commemorating its earlier use…

]]> Tue, 16 Dec 2014 13:46:50 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333674#post333674 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333674#post333674 a site for the disabled is now a theme park where people can be literally chased around by zombies for thrills

if only they'd monetised it earlier..
:(

]]> Tue, 16 Dec 2014 13:32:59 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333671#post333671 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333671#post333671 These places, should they be bulldozed, erased?

I think they should be remembered, but I'm not entirely sure that what they've done with Kingseat isn't incredibly tasteless. My aunt received care there, and no one ever actually had their brains eaten. But it is being actively used, and the history…

]]> Tue, 16 Dec 2014 13:07:53 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333670#post333670 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333670#post333670 Do you remember why you were visiting?

It was at the end of the sixth form and five of us had somehow wound up on a committee tasked with exploring potential recipients of the school's fundraising efforts. The whole process was educational.

]]> Tue, 16 Dec 2014 12:58:12 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333669#post333669 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333669#post333669 This is causing some concern because of the history of the site including unmarked graves.

It wouldn’t surprise me if there are also graves from the time that land was used as a borstal. As part of the ‘State Farm’, some of which was carved off for returned soldier blocks…

]]> Tue, 16 Dec 2014 12:54:19 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333668#post333668 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333668#post333668 Titivate it up all they like, the new owners, the ghosts of past detainees still haunt the place.

Funny you should say that. The Amazing Maze 'n Maize is set at the site of Kingseat hospital. I took my kids to the maze recently and was quite astonished at how…

]]> Tue, 16 Dec 2014 12:48:27 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333665#post333665 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333665#post333665 Tue, 16 Dec 2014 12:27:35 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333664#post333664 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333664#post333664 A couple of years ago Peter and I made a point of driving up to (and through) the gates of the old Pukeora establishment in Hawke Bay.

Titivate it up all they like, the new owners, the ghosts of past detainees still haunt the place.

And a few weeks ago…

]]> Tue, 16 Dec 2014 11:43:38 +1300 B Jones https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333663#post333663 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333663#post333663 There's a Film Unit clip about the Wilson home online here: http://youtu.be/WzHfbzDm4ig?t=3m21s

Some of the language they use is harsh to the modern ear.

]]> Tue, 16 Dec 2014 11:24:33 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333660#post333660 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333660#post333660 Tue, 16 Dec 2014 11:04:36 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333658#post333658 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333658#post333658 In spite of best practice evidence and parental advocacy turning against the institutions, the 1953 report of the National Government’s Consultative Committee, which became known as the Aitken report after the doctor who was chair of the committee, recommended that disabled and mentally ill people be housed in large ‘mental… ]]> Tue, 16 Dec 2014 10:40:35 +1300 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333657#post333657 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-some-aspects-of-new-zealands-disability-1/?p=333657#post333657 Discussion from blog post.

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