Public Address | Cafe | Access: Privacy and the right to consent are all some people have left. But not for long. https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=373984#post373984 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=373984#post373984 There is no evidence that that approach will provide that evidence. He's really driven by the ideology, though. I still say it is just modern eugenics. It's all about othering, surveillance and control.

There is a real difference this election between the targeting ideology of social investment and the social…

]]> Mon, 03 Jul 2017 21:08:48 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=373981#post373981 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=373981#post373981 Conformation from the PM's regular media conference today:

Prime Minister Bill English opened his press conference today by noting today's launch of the new Social Investment Agency Oranga Tangata. He said it's data-driven approach to seeing how well social spending succeeds would be rolled out to all Health, Education, and…

]]> Mon, 03 Jul 2017 18:10:01 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=373420#post373420 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=373420#post373420 Mon, 12 Jun 2017 13:12:48 +1200 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=372955#post372955 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=372955#post372955 Social Investment can be code for “we are too mean and individualistic to invest in schools and communities so we are going to target and stigmatise a small minority of individuals and families, and then expect them to gratefully raise themselves into the middle class, or punish them more if… ]]> Thu, 25 May 2017 10:32:01 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=372954#post372954 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=372954#post372954 Social Investment

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/24-05-2017/is-social-investment-just-a-warm-and-fuzzy-cloak-for-seeking-to-shrink-the-state/

]]> Thu, 25 May 2017 08:36:13 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=372953#post372953 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=372953#post372953 Thu, 25 May 2017 08:07:44 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=372951#post372951 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=372951#post372951 Wed, 24 May 2017 17:54:30 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=372950#post372950 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=372950#post372950 Ah, it's just not kicking in on 1 July while they do more planning about it.
– Govt media release.
– Privacy Commissioner's response.

]]> Wed, 24 May 2017 17:27:59 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=372949#post372949 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=372949#post372949 flouting consent. ]]> Wed, 24 May 2017 15:35:42 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=372948#post372948 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=372948#post372948 Wed, 24 May 2017 14:26:19 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=372947#post372947 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=372947#post372947 Wed, 24 May 2017 13:26:46 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=372331#post372331 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=372331#post372331 Not content with just collecting individual named client data the Government is now setting up a new government agency to facilitate and extend surveillance. It will be called the Social Investment Agency, with its own board. A sort of Five eyes for the vulnerable, poor and marginalised.

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/changing-lives-through-social-investment#.WPlXyYohleU.facebook

]]> Sat, 22 Apr 2017 09:09:40 +1200 Angela Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371979#post371979 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371979#post371979 http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/201839371/msd-forging-ahead-with-private-data-collection ]]> Thu, 06 Apr 2017 10:03:39 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371978#post371978 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371978#post371978 Apparently 10 agencies already handing over data. Wonder who they are?

Interview on Kathryn Ryan RNZ at the moment with MSD man who heads their current work on individual client data. Apparently this policy is driven by the Minister against much of the officials’ advice. This current interview is very…

]]> Thu, 06 Apr 2017 09:26:56 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371976#post371976 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371976#post371976 Thu, 06 Apr 2017 08:26:28 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371975#post371975 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371975#post371975 excessive and disproportionate. ]]> Thu, 06 Apr 2017 07:03:40 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371974#post371974 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371974#post371974 because management were and are clueless about what they were asking for

that's the level I was thinking of

]]> Wed, 05 Apr 2017 20:51:13 +1200 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371971#post371971 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371971#post371971 Wed, 05 Apr 2017 18:02:42 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371970#post371970 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371970#post371970 Wed, 05 Apr 2017 17:47:20 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371968#post371968 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371968#post371968 http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/328235/msd-'shut-down'-it-portal-over-privacy-breach ]]> Wed, 05 Apr 2017 17:38:43 +1200 Moz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371908#post371908 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371908#post371908 the intent is to reduce government spending over time

per capita. Remember that they also want to be able to announce increases in the total spend on a regular basis. Pedants talking about "real increases" and "per capita" are unpatriotic nitpickers who should shut up and let those who can,…

]]> Mon, 03 Apr 2017 11:10:58 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371891#post371891 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371891#post371891 Fri, 31 Mar 2017 15:30:00 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371890#post371890 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371890#post371890 there is no clear line between collecting this data and how it will lead to measurable better outcomes for anyone

Because the intent is to reduce government spending over time, not necessarily to otherwise measurably help any real people.

She said the same in a recent RNZ interview and I…

]]> Fri, 31 Mar 2017 14:55:24 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371877#post371877 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371877#post371877 I went to a talk on this new policy at the Fabians in Wellington by Brenda Pilott, formerly of MSD and the PSA. She now works in the community sector. She has OIA'd the official papers.

I learnt many things: that there is no clear line between collecting this data…

]]> Fri, 31 Mar 2017 13:00:54 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371721#post371721 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371721#post371721 I don’t know if there has ever been a lot of public trauma treatment.

Never enough. One of the best things any government could invest in to improve the wellbeing of our citizens, communities and economy is free counselling and other treatment services – and I mean billions, not millions.…

]]> Sat, 25 Mar 2017 21:52:43 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371717#post371717 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371717#post371717 We don’t have to collect personal data at the small not for profit organisation that I’m a part of, for a year becouse it’s all trauma related. Women’s refuge should get the same waiver.

The government wants to quieten unrest until after the election, that's all – and yes they've…

]]> Sat, 25 Mar 2017 20:53:29 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371715#post371715 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371715#post371715 Yes, the Privacy act isn't that much of a deterrent. ]]> Sat, 25 Mar 2017 15:40:59 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371705#post371705 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371705#post371705 There is the Privacy act. And that's not nothing.

Despite Paula Bennett being found to have breached the Privacy Act, any consequences were easily deflected by her minders.

]]> Sat, 25 Mar 2017 09:30:11 +1300 Angela Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371700#post371700 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371700#post371700 First, government departments are already legally capable of sharing date about you.

Some of them. But there has not previously been a significant centralised data gathering, crunching and analysis capability. There is now as part of the function of Statistics NZ. And alongside that there is an expectation that data…

]]> Fri, 24 Mar 2017 23:06:56 +1300 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371684#post371684 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371684#post371684 If you’ve nothing to hide, you’ve got nothing to fear;
Now bend while we check nothing’s hidden up there,
And spread your cheeks wide, so that our probe can clear –
If you’ve nothing to hide, you’ve got nothing to fear.

All the records we have we will happily share…

]]> Fri, 24 Mar 2017 13:01:07 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371682#post371682 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371682#post371682 Safely sharing information about sensitive matters like a person's health with other agencies relies not just on secure technology but on human ethics.

Ethics are reinforced as part of health sector training and ongoing development and governance, but not necessarily in all public sector disciplines which may have conflicting drivers.…

]]> Fri, 24 Mar 2017 12:22:03 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371681#post371681 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371681#post371681 We have no checks and balances on our Government, it can do whatever it likes as long as it has a simple majority in Parliament.

Even in Australia, with the supposed checks and balances offered by its Federal upper house and multiple parliaments, a government agency has [[https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/feb/27/centrelink-recipients-data-released-by-department-to-counter-public-criticism|done a Paula…

]]> Fri, 24 Mar 2017 11:56:38 +1300 Angela Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371679#post371679 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371679#post371679 Seriously Steven? My concern is that for the first time all of the data that all of the government departments hold on potentially all New Zealanders is going to one big database where it can be analysed. And it isn't anonymous.
It's all very well saying if you've done nothing…

]]> Fri, 24 Mar 2017 11:38:24 +1300 mark taslov https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371659#post371659 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371659#post371659 @Hilary, Sacha,

I wish I could say it’s my pleasure.

We’ve had our communications intercepted, our data hacked. The proposed MSD data collection is only going to increase our chances of being doxxed, deadnamed and clocked and misgendered. It was suggested to me a couple of years back on here that…

]]> Thu, 23 Mar 2017 19:53:57 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371623#post371623 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371623#post371623 Newsroom article anticipates the Privacy Commissioner's ruling but concludes in any case:

The weak and powerless in our society will, of course, have no choice but to share their data and that means people are differently affected depending on their socio-economic status

]]> Thu, 23 Mar 2017 08:46:49 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371550#post371550 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371550#post371550 When's that privacy report coming out?

couple of weeks more is latest I read.

]]> Mon, 20 Mar 2017 21:58:18 +1300 Angela Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371545#post371545 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371545#post371545 Mon, 20 Mar 2017 19:50:17 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371543#post371543 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371543#post371543 Contract granted to built the data-sharing software. At least they're locals I guess.

"From a technology perspective, we sit as an intermediary between the two.

"The NGO can say, 'We want to share this information with an agency – specifically these bits of information, and nothing else', so what we…

]]> Mon, 20 Mar 2017 19:08:44 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371541#post371541 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371541#post371541 Mon, 20 Mar 2017 16:51:31 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371532#post371532 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371532#post371532 Mon, 20 Mar 2017 12:35:17 +1300 mark taslov https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371517#post371517 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371517#post371517 Yes. I thought Marama Fox got a much warmer reception, as did the amazing Adair Hannah. But hardly surprising given the crowd.

I wish I had been there, so much, because the media coverage, the messaging is kind of frightening. From what I saw of the placards, the focus was…

]]> Sun, 19 Mar 2017 20:00:48 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371492#post371492 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371492#post371492 Sat, 18 Mar 2017 15:13:51 +1300 Carol Stewart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371467#post371467 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371467#post371467 Fri, 17 Mar 2017 11:59:31 +1300 Moz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371465#post371465 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371465#post371465 much talk about the importance of consent, ... Yet with this policy the Government denies and disregards the right to consent.

I think you need to be careful here, because the government is using the language of consent and providing the appearance of it. So when you say "disregards the…

]]> Fri, 17 Mar 2017 10:53:32 +1300 mark taslov https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371458#post371458 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371458#post371458 Yet with this policy (above) the Government denies and disregards the right to consent. We need to join the dots –

Consolidating – from the unconsented cosmetic surgery on the genitals of infants, onto the “rights of the child”, through the systemic abuse of the young by employees of the…

]]> Thu, 16 Mar 2017 18:22:23 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371331#post371331 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371331#post371331 Tue, 14 Mar 2017 10:33:50 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371327#post371327 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371327#post371327 I thought it hypocritical of Paula Bennett to speak to the crowd yesterday encouraging the 'bravery' of the students, while her Government seeks to deny consent to some of the most vulnerable citizens.

Especially so considering Bennett's track record in releasing personal information for blatantly political purposes. One need only…

]]> Tue, 14 Mar 2017 09:14:00 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371326#post371326 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371326#post371326 Tue, 14 Mar 2017 08:44:41 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371229#post371229 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371229#post371229 a few days. ]]> Thu, 09 Mar 2017 16:53:54 +1300 mark taslov https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371127#post371127 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371127#post371127 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i7qIELMVBQ ]]> Wed, 08 Mar 2017 10:46:21 +1300 mark taslov https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371124#post371124 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371124#post371124 Paora Crawford Moyle on Te Wahanga Parakuihi. ]]> Tue, 07 Mar 2017 22:56:44 +1300 mark taslov https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371123#post371123 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371123#post371123 Ursula Cheer says the new rules have an element of compulsion and raise questions of consent.

These proposed requirements are devastating and potentially life threatening for those whose identities are not legally recognised

Each refuge within the collective is run independently, so they will each have their own policies, but…

]]> Tue, 07 Mar 2017 19:23:45 +1300 mark taslov https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371121#post371121 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371121#post371121 Tue, 07 Mar 2017 18:20:42 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371120#post371120 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371120#post371120 http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/326040/rape-crisis-will-risk-funding-to-keep-data-private ]]> Tue, 07 Mar 2017 17:18:12 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371119#post371119 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371119#post371119 Which is why they want to track individuals over time – so they can tie contracted payments for long-term individual outcomes rather than single interventions and population-level results.

They intend to apply privatised insurance industry actuarial models across all social services. Very similar to how the US health system is…

]]> Tue, 07 Mar 2017 13:44:24 +1300 Moz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371117#post371117 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371117#post371117 “Privacy is freedom”

In that case we're screwed, because the tools to eliminate privacy are becoming cheap and readily available, and there's not even a theoretical mechanism to prevent that. Viz, currently only a few rich governments can eliminate privacy and then only for a subset of their subjects, but…

]]> Tue, 07 Mar 2017 10:28:12 +1300 Lynn Yum https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371111#post371111 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371111#post371111 Horse long-bolted. Govt has made that decision for us several years ago and they have been assembling the infrastructure since. Would be good if it became an election issue but most of us citizens have no idea what’s going on with it so a lot of awareness to build.

Privacy…

]]> Mon, 06 Mar 2017 16:39:17 +1300 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371109#post371109 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371109#post371109 … Well, that's weird. My system just updated with my own post showing as 17 minutes old (and therefore uneditable) immediately after posting. And I would have wanted to edit it, since the intervening conversation has rendered it moot.

[Mystery solved: system clock was wrong.]

]]> Mon, 06 Mar 2017 16:09:03 +1300 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371108#post371108 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371108#post371108 That's almost certainly not what Sacha meant by "payback"!
The long-term object of the exercise is purportedly increasing the efficiency of the system and thereby, in theory, helping more people without increasing funding. History of similar centralisation moves suggests the efficiency gains sought are a mirage, and that, if there…

]]> Mon, 06 Mar 2017 16:06:19 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371107#post371107 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371107#post371107 my understanding is that data mining will make the welfare budget more effective, thus helping more people.

From what I've read the intention is to spend more on fewer people now to prevent them costing more long-term.

Unfortunately there has been no corresponding extra investment so it may play out…

]]> Mon, 06 Mar 2017 16:06:17 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371106#post371106 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371106#post371106 We need to agree on what is acceptable information gathering and sharing, and what isn't acceptable

Horse long-bolted. Govt has made that decision for us several years ago and they have been assembling the infrastructure since. Would be good if it became an election issue but most of us citizens…

]]> Mon, 06 Mar 2017 16:03:46 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371105#post371105 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371105#post371105 Mon, 06 Mar 2017 16:00:53 +1300 mark taslov https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371104#post371104 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371104#post371104 I’m being a bit contrarian here

I for one appreciate that, we need to talk around all things to make them transparent. You are right, our privacy protections are toothless. Paula Bennett’s ilk aren’t deterred enough IMHO.

The Christchurch and Dunedin Studies etc. spring to mind as ethical examples of…

]]> Mon, 06 Mar 2017 15:30:34 +1300 Moz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371100#post371100 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371100#post371100 I think you'll find that Paula Bennett et al believe in payback in the shortest possible time – I believe that if she can get a hostile press release out the same day someone criticises her she'll do it.

If the difference between services that share information and services that…

]]> Mon, 06 Mar 2017 14:01:58 +1300 Lynn Yum https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371098#post371098 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371098#post371098 Hurimoana Dennis. So I understand the worry that someone in MSD can use the information… ]]> Mon, 06 Mar 2017 13:40:44 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371097#post371097 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371097#post371097 Mon, 06 Mar 2017 13:08:34 +1300 Moz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371095#post371095 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371095#post371095 I keep coming back to the idea that consent is only meaningful if it can be withheld.

The whole idea that someone in a desperate situation can just say "nah, not today" to help is ridiculous. Surely our market-worshipping overlords will put their theory to the test by a controlled…

]]> Mon, 06 Mar 2017 13:02:56 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371092#post371092 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371092#post371092 Mon, 06 Mar 2017 08:45:45 +1300 mark taslov https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371089#post371089 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371089#post371089 the integrity of our institutions…
Joe’s Story

from Here

]]> Mon, 06 Mar 2017 00:58:23 +1300 mark taslov https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371086#post371086 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371086#post371086 The thing with Paula Bennett is that it was completely wrong for her to leak that kind of information

If only she agreed on that point,

I acknowledge that you consider that I was wrong to do so and that this resulted in a breach of Ms Fuller’s privacy.

As…

]]> Sun, 05 Mar 2017 12:27:08 +1300 Lynn Yum https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371085#post371085 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371085#post371085 The thing with Paula Bennett is that it was completely wrong for her to leak that kind of information, and most probably illegal under the Privacy Act. I’m kind of surprised that the police didn’t try to prosecute her (or did they?).

Isn’t the Privacy Act the elephant in the…

]]> Sun, 05 Mar 2017 11:05:36 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371062#post371062 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371062#post371062 the whole Social Investment Strategy is another way for the Government to contract out work and services

Which is why they want to track individuals over time – so they can tie contracted payments for long-term individual outcomes rather than single interventions and population-level results.

They intend to apply privatised…

]]> Sat, 04 Mar 2017 12:34:04 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371055#post371055 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371055#post371055 Sat, 04 Mar 2017 08:42:59 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371054#post371054 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371054#post371054 Sat, 04 Mar 2017 08:41:07 +1300 mark taslov https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371048#post371048 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371048#post371048 Sat, 04 Mar 2017 03:44:52 +1300 Lilith __ https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371024#post371024 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371024#post371024 Fri, 03 Mar 2017 15:47:05 +1300 Angela Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371012#post371012 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371012#post371012 There are so many ramifications here. Statistics NZ is already collecting a huge amount of data on us- minus the stuff the government doesn't want to know, for its own convenience, like the disability data.

This "we don't have that information " excuse is popping up more and more often…

]]> Fri, 03 Mar 2017 11:29:37 +1300 Katharine Moody https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371011#post371011 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371011#post371011 Probably another argument as to why we need a constitution enshrining rights – as promoted by Geoffrey Palmer.

The Opportunities Party has put out a policy on a written constitution;

http://www.top.org.nz/top4

]]> Fri, 03 Mar 2017 11:21:53 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371010#post371010 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371010#post371010 Growing legal advice that what MSD wants to do is illegal. So hopefully it will never happen. http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201835268/government-breaching-privacy-laws-by-making-social-services

Probably another argument as to why we need a constitution enshrining rights – as promoted by Geoffrey Palmer.

]]> Fri, 03 Mar 2017 09:40:29 +1300 Moz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371007#post371007 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371007#post371007 Given what's happened in Australia recently: https://bluemilk.wordpress.com/2017/02/26/is-this-what-happens-when-you-criticise-government/ and of course the Paula Bennett cases, I think the question is less "what would a friendly government want that information for" and more "what would a hostile minister do with it".

The difference is that in Australia the Minister argued that he…

]]> Fri, 03 Mar 2017 09:22:27 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371006#post371006 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371006#post371006 Integrated Data Infrastructure 'big data' repository for several years now from census and other sources. They want it to be used for 'public good' research, and appear to have great respect for privacy and other ethical concerns as well as excellent governance. If they… ]]> Fri, 03 Mar 2017 08:17:44 +1300 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371005#post371005 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-privacy-and-the-right-to-consent-are/?p=371005#post371005 Discussion from blog post.

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