Public Address | Cafe | Access: Patients X, Y and Z https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=377052#post377052 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=377052#post377052 Yes they have committed to doing both. Tracey Martin was on the Nation in the weekend talking about the historic abuse inquiry. The main problem as far as I am concerned is getting the terms of reference wide enough to include everyone affected and all their concerns.

There is a…

]]> Mon, 13 Nov 2017 21:43:57 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=377051#post377051 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=377051#post377051 How do we go about persuading, no, making our new Gummint hold an urgent inquiry into mental health services and also into historic abuse?

Haven't they already committed in the last couple of weeks to doing both?

]]> Mon, 13 Nov 2017 17:34:36 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=377049#post377049 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=377049#post377049 Mon, 13 Nov 2017 15:16:31 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=376860#post376860 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=376860#post376860 Over a year later we have the Judge's decision. https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/97919308/disabled-men-received-dedicated-and-compassionate-care-judge-says

It am very angry and upset about it. These men were often treated as less than human for years by an uncaring system in which they were incarcerated. They experienced some of the worst aspects of institutionalisation. But all fine…

]]> Tue, 31 Oct 2017 09:52:01 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=372803#post372803 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=372803#post372803 Do we think the ‘system transformation’ of disability support will prevent such things happening in the future?

No.

But ok...lets be fair...here are direct links to reports on the three meetings so far.

April 11

April 26

May 4

They are still working on the terms of reference and…

]]> Sun, 14 May 2017 22:14:36 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=372797#post372797 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=372797#post372797 Sun, 14 May 2017 20:11:11 +1200 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=372790#post372790 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=372790#post372790 And another case of a person with autism being committed under the Mental health Act...this time, its a fourteen year old.

Karen Lende was left shocked, frustrated and angry when her son Jai Ferris, 14, was taken from the special needs unit at Spotswood College to Taranaki Base Hospital under…

]]> Sun, 14 May 2017 13:18:29 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=370849#post370849 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=370849#post370849 Another case in the High Court and another example of how the legal system doesn't understand and disproportionately punishes people with autism for autistic behaviour.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/89845275/claims-of-political-meddling-in-autistic-window-smashers-decadelong-detention

]]> Tue, 28 Feb 2017 08:25:03 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=366552#post366552 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=366552#post366552 G Palmer's and Butler book on a constitution launched today. http://constitutionaotearoa.org.nz/chapter-1-full-text/
They give example of family carers as one why we need a constitution. There has been a lot of discussion about that topic on Access.

__This is not scaremongering; actions like it have happened. For example, in 2013 Parliament…

]]> Wed, 21 Sept 2016 10:04:16 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=366211#post366211 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=366211#post366211 Mon, 12 Sept 2016 08:16:28 +1200 Angela Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=366178#post366178 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=366178#post366178 Fri, 09 Sept 2016 17:43:09 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=366177#post366177 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=366177#post366177 forced medication

wonder if there any drugs that provide a heightened conscience?

]]> Fri, 09 Sept 2016 17:30:08 +1200 Angela Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=366175#post366175 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=366175#post366175 Fri, 09 Sept 2016 17:13:32 +1200 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=366167#post366167 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=366167#post366167 in her closing submissions in the High Court in Wellington this morning, the Attorney-General’s lawyer, Martha Coleman, insisted there was no medical malpractice and psychiatrists often consulted with the men.

“There’s no suggestion of any systemic failure,” she told the court.

“[The men] have been treated with the utmost respect…

]]> Fri, 09 Sept 2016 15:28:25 +1200 Angela Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=366135#post366135 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=366135#post366135 Internal NZ legal processes have to be exhausted before an appeal can be made to the UN .

So the Family Carers legislation could be appealed to the UN, whereas at present there is nowhere to go to change it.

]]> Thu, 08 Sept 2016 14:27:01 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=366114#post366114 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=366114#post366114 Thu, 08 Sept 2016 10:04:12 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=366014#post366014 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=366014#post366014 has ruled that CCDHB delaying an OIA response to Kirtsy Johnston about Ashley Peackock broke the law. Proactive attention to compliance from now on will include naming and shaming. ]]> Tue, 06 Sept 2016 12:41:07 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=366006#post366006 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=366006#post366006 A People's Review of the Mental Health System has been started back by Action Station.

https://actionstation.typeform.com/to/lXJ1sb

Also a Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/peoplesmentalhealthreview/

Crowd sourcing stories and activism.

]]> Tue, 06 Sept 2016 08:38:34 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365993#post365993 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365993#post365993 Mon, 05 Sept 2016 18:17:54 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365920#post365920 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365920#post365920 It has taken me years of interaction with it to realise that the system is not benign. I'm a slow learner!

You are way ahead of most people who have never had to deal with it, don't worry. Unfortunately that puts a huge up-front awareness burden on any public-supported political…

]]> Sun, 04 Sept 2016 16:20:10 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365919#post365919 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365919#post365919 Sun, 04 Sept 2016 09:24:02 +1200 Angela Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365880#post365880 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365880#post365880 it comes down to whether you feel the system is benign or not

there's the rub. There's a great deal of talk and lofty ideals but at the chalkface the decisions are not made on the basis of what is best for the individual disabled person. Decision making is tightly…

]]> Fri, 02 Sept 2016 10:21:57 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365876#post365876 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365876#post365876 Thu, 01 Sept 2016 22:06:34 +1200 Angela Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365866#post365866 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365866#post365866 __in her closing submissions in the High Court in Wellington this morning, the Attorney-General's lawyer, Martha Coleman, insisted there was no medical malpractice and psychiatrists often consulted with the men.

"There's no suggestion of any systemic failure," she told the court.

"[The men] have been treated with the utmost respect…

]]> Thu, 01 Sept 2016 14:56:58 +1200 Angela Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365825#post365825 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365825#post365825 Wed, 31 Aug 2016 10:13:29 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365824#post365824 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365824#post365824 Wed, 31 Aug 2016 09:44:39 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365813#post365813 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365813#post365813 Tue, 30 Aug 2016 21:27:57 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365736#post365736 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365736#post365736 Mon, 29 Aug 2016 09:12:04 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365603#post365603 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365603#post365603 Thu, 25 Aug 2016 15:13:49 +1200 Angela Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365580#post365580 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365580#post365580 I have a feeling that the Ministry of Health is seeking some guidance and answers through this court case. Something that they can also apply to Ashley’s situation. They seem a bit stuck.

umm, well here's the latest on Ashley's situation
https://www.change.org/p/the-house-of-representatives-a-life-for-ashley-peacock/u/17652242?tk=LXIBMfoLjLr57X7G21CXWIuxV6PBxhh58HWGP6GPAt8&utm_source=petition_update&utm_medium=email

]]> Wed, 24 Aug 2016 23:12:58 +1200 Moz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365568#post365568 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365568#post365568 Yet in our mental health system we seem to go straight to punishment, seclusion or other negative reactions.

I suspect "mental health" could be replaced by "government" without losing anything. The only people Parliament regularly consider in need of positive reinforcement are themselves, in the form of money and perks.…

]]> Wed, 24 Aug 2016 16:41:31 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365560#post365560 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365560#post365560 I have a feeling that the Ministry of Health is seeking some guidance and answers through this court case. Something that they can also apply to Ashley's situation. They seem a bit stuck.
They will be summing up next week and then it will probably be a few weeks while…

]]> Wed, 24 Aug 2016 14:02:56 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365441#post365441 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365441#post365441 There is always a reason for behaviour. Is has context and does not occur in a vacuum. The purpose could be to gain something, access something, escape from something, remove something, or a result of pain or boredom. Or it just feels good.
When trying to change behaviour positive reinforcement…

]]> Mon, 22 Aug 2016 12:49:37 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365398#post365398 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365398#post365398 Fri, 19 Aug 2016 16:21:21 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365378#post365378 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365378#post365378 Spotted this useful paper at the Autism NZ conference this weekend. It is by someone who knows a great deal about autism and behaviour issues. I'm not attending the conference but I'm sure Angela will give an enlightening presentation to those who are.

http://www.autismnz.org.nz/conference-2016/programme/evidence-based-practice-for-severe-behaviour-in-individuals-with-autism.-what-we-are-doing-and-what-should-we-be-doing

]]> Fri, 19 Aug 2016 08:23:12 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365246#post365246 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365246#post365246 Mon, 15 Aug 2016 14:55:34 +1200 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365199#post365199 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365199#post365199 Oh my goodness....journalism is alive and still kicking...

From the leaked draft report from DAHMS intended for MAHS...

There has (apparently) been “a growing level of inaccurate and biased media coverage of issues” and a lack of effective “counter discourse” to the coverage due to lack of funding and pressures…

]]> Fri, 12 Aug 2016 19:36:36 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365193#post365193 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365193#post365193 I agree with this post. The authorities don't know how to deal with this increase in scrutiny.
http://thespinoff.co.nz/featured/12-08-2016/exclusive-leaked-draft-report-calls-2016s-landmark-mental-health-journalism-biased-and-inaccurate/

]]> Fri, 12 Aug 2016 17:28:02 +1200 walrus https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365187#post365187 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365187#post365187 I bet my boots that there is hard evidence that this shit happened to these poor sods..patient records and the like…so what is being argued here?

That the abuse was somehow ok? Part of the treatment? SOP for those who react aggressively out of frustration?

Mainly the latter two, I…

]]> Fri, 12 Aug 2016 16:37:26 +1200 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365173#post365173 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365173#post365173 I remember this case working its way through the Human Rights Review Tribunal way back when I worked for the HRC, with the Crown Law reps cock-blocking all the way. Mad bitchfacing action. And that was under Labour. I seem to recall (happy to stand corrected) that they threatened even… ]]> Fri, 12 Aug 2016 13:17:24 +1200 Angela Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365170#post365170 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365170#post365170 The new NZ Disability Strategy, which is currently being rewritten, quite blatantly has Cabinet as the main target for pleasing. Disabled people and families are 6th in the hierarchy. So the system itself is disabling and punitive Agents of the system have a tough time fighting that and keeping their… ]]> Fri, 12 Aug 2016 12:54:38 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365168#post365168 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365168#post365168 currently unfashionable

We all know this has been going on for longer than the current government. And Hannah Arendt would have something to say about people who choose to do evil things while serving a public organisation.

]]> Fri, 12 Aug 2016 12:52:28 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365165#post365165 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365165#post365165 Fri, 12 Aug 2016 12:36:12 +1200 Angela Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365157#post365157 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365157#post365157 Fri, 12 Aug 2016 10:55:58 +1200 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365144#post365144 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365144#post365144 I have heard of a couple of people threatened with trespass for merely trying to come into the building. One angry person went back the next day and sorted it out with the security guard, but a woman tearfully told me she has been permanently trespassed, she says, just for… ]]> Fri, 12 Aug 2016 07:59:31 +1200 Martin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365133#post365133 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365133#post365133 Great post thanks Hilary. Its interesting that such an unfriendly sounding place/room is where life-giving and/or life-extinguishing decisions are made about us.

I think Sacha makes a good point about the MoH's team of henchmen & henchwomen

]]> Thu, 11 Aug 2016 21:38:50 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365130#post365130 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365130#post365130 Thu, 11 Aug 2016 18:05:11 +1200 Lilith __ https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365129#post365129 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365129#post365129 I mean it that it is part of the public service with all that entails. Shouldn't be working against the rights of citizens. This is a general comment about the legal system. It is not something above us all.

Yes. And thank you for this, Hilary.

]]> Thu, 11 Aug 2016 18:05:03 +1200 Robert Harvey https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365127#post365127 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365127#post365127 I mean it that it is part of the public service with all that entails. Shouldn't be working against the rights of citizens. This is a general comment about the legal system. It is not something above us all.
I may be wrong, but I think Hilary has made a…

]]> Thu, 11 Aug 2016 17:13:45 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365126#post365126 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365126#post365126 Thu, 11 Aug 2016 16:20:32 +1200 Nick Russell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365125#post365125 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365125#post365125 Thu, 11 Aug 2016 16:09:55 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365124#post365124 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365124#post365124 Thu, 11 Aug 2016 15:31:57 +1200 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365122#post365122 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365122#post365122 and feeling quite grumpy.

Me too.

I am telling my self that my nearly eight years of solid grumpiness at the Ministry of Health:Disability Support Services will end once I've put it all on paper.

Like a purge.

12 pages so far....

]]> Thu, 11 Aug 2016 15:05:09 +1200 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365121#post365121 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365121#post365121 Yep...they moved very quickly to dilute entitlement, removed entitlement for some, and removed rights for all.

Contrary alright.

]]> Thu, 11 Aug 2016 14:59:46 +1200 Moz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365119#post365119 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365119#post365119 I asked her why she said "These people...." and she just wafted off.

I'm ... not shocked to hear that, and in fact pretty much the contrary. I find myself periodically thinking "why is billions of dollars for bloody useless military toys so unquestionably necessary, when ensuring that people have…

]]> Thu, 11 Aug 2016 14:55:45 +1200 Angela Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365118#post365118 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365118#post365118 And the Decision…actually did use the word ‘entitled’ in respect to funding for care.

but it wasn't followed up in law, quite the contrary

]]> Thu, 11 Aug 2016 14:40:55 +1200 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365117#post365117 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365117#post365117 “These people have a sense of entitlement.”

As a lawyer she no doubt assumed the “based on law” part of her statement was implicit and obvious.

When she said that, it was in the context of discussing one of the parent plaintiffs.

That plaintiff, at one stage been paid as…

]]> Thu, 11 Aug 2016 13:21:00 +1200 Moz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365112#post365112 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365112#post365112 "These people have a sense of entitlement."

As a lawyer she no doubt assumed the "based on law" part of her statement was implicit and obvious.

I'm happy to hear that this is happening. Hopefully another win, and by the time that happens we have elected a government who accepts…

]]> Thu, 11 Aug 2016 12:08:28 +1200 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365108#post365108 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365108#post365108 NO 6 COURT BEFORE THE HON. JUSTICE ELLIS
10.00am
CIV-2010-485-379 “X” & ORS v ATTORNEY GENERAL & ORS
(T Ellis) (M Coleman, D La Hood)
Multiple claims relating to the treatment of
Patients in psychiatric care p.7

Oh look! There's M Coleman....fearless Crown Lawyer who fought so long and hard against paying…

]]> Thu, 11 Aug 2016 11:20:22 +1200 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365107#post365107 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-patients-x-y-and-z/?p=365107#post365107 Discussion from blog post.

]]> Thu, 11 Aug 2016 11:20:22 +1200