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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Murderer Donella Knox  <a href="https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=12116535" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">released on parole</a> after counselling to understand her own mindset and with conditions including not publicly commenting.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2018 08:30:35 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p>Chuckling going on in the whare...</p><p>A couple of years ago we made a complaint via an advocate about the "services" rendered by our local NASC.</p><p>After some exchanges (surprising  what they're willing to put in an email ;-) ) we had a meeting up at the Hospital twixt us…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2018 19:34:48 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>an early warning score system, that collated information from hospitals, GPs, disability support services, school attendance records, and Oranga Tamariki records</q></p><p>Inter-departmental information sharing has that promise as well as lots of risks. The ' social investment' approach relies on it.</p><p><q>'declined service' </q><br />The Health and Disability Commission has tried…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2018 13:20:45 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>You might have the money for high quality chocolate but there are no specialty chocolate shops in the region where you live. </q></p><p>Marks suggests an <a href="https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/105553241/review-prompted-by-ruby-knox-murder-blasts-nzs-disability-care" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">early warning score system</a> as a measure to prevent further deaths...</p><p><q>Another preventative solution could be an early warning score system, that collated information from…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2018 13:27:42 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>I can't find the full report</q></p><p>Certainly not on the DHB's website, but then I guess it may have too much personal detail to be released in full anyway.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2018 16:31:47 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						Thanks Rosemary and Sacha. I can't find the full report &ndash; maybe it hasn't been publicly released yet. A friend of mine also has an adult with a large care package but says it is like chocolate. You might have the money for high quality chocolate but there are no…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2018 12:56:37 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Until as a society we learn to value all our citizens including those with disability</q></p><p>Which will only happen when leaders invest in that education process. Show us the money.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2018 12:26:25 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p>Hilary.</p><p>Your original post pretty much says it all and I'm fairly sure those who commented are still of the same mind.</p><p>So, I'll just do an update and link to these....<br /><a href="https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018654266/warning-of-further-deaths-without-caregiver-boost" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018654266/warning-of-further-deaths-without-caregiver-boost</a></p><p><a href="https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/362093/report-findings-after-ruby-knox-s-death-released" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/362093/report-findings-after-ruby-knox-s-death-released</a></p><p><a href="https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/105553241/review-prompted-by-ruby-knox-murder-blasts-nzs-disability-care" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/105553241/review-prompted-by-ruby-knox-murder-blasts-nzs-disability-care</a></p><p><a href="https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=12091213" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=12091213</a></p><p>But I will quote Dr Rosemary Marks...</p><p><q> "I remind you that governments allocate resources…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2018 10:11:39 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						When I was at high school, my folks thought it was a good idea at the time to tiger-parent a quasi-autistic kid to success, partly because it worked for my siblings, and partly because ASD was still poorly understood in those days. They've since seen the error of their ways,…
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				<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2017 20:08:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						Dunedin has recently hosted a really good research project about intellectual disability and the law, with an aim of educating the judiciary. Just a pity that it didn't appear to include autism, if this report is any indication.
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				<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2017 21:27:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>People with autism do not become premeditated killers. </q></p><p>No shit. #grrrr</p><p><q>Judge Nicholas Davidson said Merritt’s disorder had impacted his life and was connected to the murder of Ms Ross.</p><p>"References to the mild end of the ASD spectrum shouldn’t, in my view, trivialise your impairment," he said.</p><p>"You do…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2017 17:13:46 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						<p>The language about autism and the diagnosis itself in this report of the Dunedin murder are both worrying and probably inaccurate. People with autism do not become premeditated killers. Similarly with school shooters etc – it is becoming acceptable to ascribe autism. But I would suspect an alternative condition.</p><p>The…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2017 15:37:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p><q>This will have to become an election issue.</q></p><p>It should. <br />Establishing the causes and the manners of enablement of historic abuses in state run institutions should allow us to avoid those causes and conditions in the present and the future. We now have state funded institutions rather than state run…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2017 13:36:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						Good. The movement towards an inquiry into historic abuse is gathering steam. I think I wrote about it a couple of years ago as it is one of my ongoing research interests &ndash; those disabled children sent away from their families and those disabled people in the back rooms of…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2017 12:38:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>I totally get what you are pointing out. That killing a disabled person is no less acceptable than killing an infant, because they require there caregivers time and energy.</p><p>But it’s also important to consider the mitigating factors in the mental health of the murderer in all sentences. Like when…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2017 12:06:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>Ministry of Health sees no responsibility to improve services!</q></p><p>Absolutely typical,  and as Sacha says...disgusting.</p><p><q>Ministry disability support services group manager Toni Atkinson said there were many autistic people who did not need disability support.</p><p>There was no need to improve training for carers, and autism support was not under-resourced,…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2017 12:02:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>william blake</title>
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						<p>Thanks Hilary, this needs to be said as it is true.</p><p>Steven the obvious mitigating factor is the failure of support for the Mother but then in mitigation of the support services, we have a limit on resources because of free market ideas of health care floating around at government…</p>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						One of Greg O'Connor's first tweets after setting up his @GregOhariu twitter account was about the Knox case. It will be good to have him as a politician who is informed about the issues from personal and professional experience.  Worth watching.
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				<title>WaterDragon</title>
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						<p>Nice piece Hilary.<br />To add to what you pointed out about disabled people across the whole range of impairment being at greatly increased risk, the NZ post-census Disability Survey points out that most disabled people have two or more impairments, and one disabled person in 3 has unmet health needs-…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2017 10:53:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Ministry disability support services group manager Toni Atkinson said there were many autistic people who did not need disability support.</p><p>There was no need to improve training for carers, and autism support was not under-resourced, she said.</q></p><p>What a disgusting attitude. Families and advocates must just be making it all…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2017 09:56:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						<p>Ministry of Health sees no responsibility to improve services!<br /><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/89179500/Autism-NZ-calls-for-respite-care-overhaul-after-Donella-Knox-case" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/89179500/Autism-NZ-calls-for-respite-care-overhaul-after-Donella-Knox-case</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2017 07:59:46 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						Coincidentally, my friend Robyn Hunt wrote this for the Spin Off <a href="http://thespinoff.co.nz/society/09-02-2017/on-donella-knox-her-disabled-daughter-and-the-so-called-mercy-killing/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://thespinoff.co.nz/society/09-02-2017/on-donella-knox-her-disabled-daughter-and-the-so-called-mercy-killing/</a>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2017 19:14:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>A statement from the Autistic Collective.</p><p><q>NO EXCUSING THE MURDER OF AUTISTICS!</p><p>Ruby Knox, a young autistic woman, was murdered last year by Donella Knox, her own mother, and recently her supporters have been asking for Donella’s early release on ‘compassionate’ grounds.</p><p>The Autistic Collective however, feel that the central…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2017 17:06:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Katharine Moody</title>
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						Thanks Hilary &ndash; the historical account in your post is uplifting in the sense that a precious life tragically and needlessly lost at least spurned action in NZ &ndash; but soul destroying at the same time, as if anything, it seems to me we have gone backwards in both policy…
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<p><q>so they become known as real people, with interests and personalities. </q></p><p>Some great suggestions outlined here Hilary, and very well put.</p>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						I focus on autism but disabled people with so called 'complex needs' usually have lots of labels, and these can change over time. The stresses remain the same.
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				<title>Fraser Gardyne</title>
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						Well written Hilary, it's so easy to automatically side with a stressed parent rather than looking deeper. Our autistic citizens and others in society with mental and physical challenges deserve better.
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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