Public Address | Cafe | Access: Just think of the children https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=348316#post348316 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=348316#post348316 Sat, 19 Sept 2015 09:03:44 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=348314#post348314 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=348314#post348314 Sat, 19 Sept 2015 08:23:07 +1200 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=348277#post348277 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=348277#post348277 Oh! My,my, my!

Score, Carmel!

Surely to god there is a limit to the amount of bullshittery allowed in any one session of the house?

Perhaps it will reach the point when the buggers will drown in it.

]]> Fri, 18 Sept 2015 12:46:02 +1200 stever@cs.waikato.ac.nz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=348276#post348276 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=348276#post348276 So...why not line up what's happening on the ground with the law? I mean, isn't that what we usually have to do?

I guess self-serving selfishness is the default for someone like her though.

]]> Fri, 18 Sept 2015 12:43:13 +1200 Marc C https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=348273#post348273 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=348273#post348273 WINZ have enough to sort out in their own backyard, or say, the head office and the Ministry I suggest. You may find this of interest:

http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/39670

As had already been suspected long ago, the "trials" for Mental Health Employment Services", and apparently even for "Sole Parent Employment Services" appear…

]]> Fri, 18 Sept 2015 12:35:07 +1200 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=348267#post348267 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=348267#post348267 but Jeez, the woman has no idea about what life might be like for some on the benefit she controls – that is appalling…

One gets to the stage Ian, where the contempt one encounters from WINZ bureaucrats of all levels ceases to appall.

Having been a recipient of the…

]]> Fri, 18 Sept 2015 12:16:03 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=348254#post348254 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=348254#post348254 Winz some, lose some…
I was aghast at Minister Tolley’s nonchalantly dismissing beneficiaries right to be paid properly…
Minister of Social Development Anne Tolley admitted that for the best part of the last two decades it had been standard practice to start benefits the day after a stand-down.
She said…

]]> Fri, 18 Sept 2015 10:01:54 +1200 Calvin Lee https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=348253#post348253 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=348253#post348253 Fri, 18 Sept 2015 09:35:34 +1200 Marc C https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=347789#post347789 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=347789#post347789 Sat, 12 Sept 2015 20:20:38 +1200 Martin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=347757#post347757 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=347757#post347757 Thanks for the post Hilary; remembering where we come from is so important in deciding where we want to go.

I agree with andin that we have always lived in a globalized world except that the one we live in today is quite different in terms of its digital context…

]]> Sat, 12 Sept 2015 11:05:09 +1200 andin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=347616#post347616 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=347616#post347616 When the SSA was introduced the world was a radically different place.
The world? there are people, poverty need and greed.
All thats radically different is the those who, by accident, find themselves at the top of a societal pyramid are indulging themselves at the expense of everyone else.
As…

]]> Wed, 09 Sept 2015 19:39:05 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=347595#post347595 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=347595#post347595 They also have a pretty terrible history of eugenics which they really only started to confront about two decades ago.

I assume you're referring to this kind of thing. As you say, the retreat from that ghastly orthodoxy has been under way for some time, but the scale and diversity…

]]> Tue, 08 Sept 2015 21:26:55 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=347594#post347594 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=347594#post347594 I hear Sweden has taken thousands of refugees recently and have created a whole town for them. Not sure if that is the best way but at least it is a better response than ours.

They also have a pretty terrible history of eugenics which they really only started to…

]]> Tue, 08 Sept 2015 20:42:17 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=347593#post347593 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=347593#post347593 The problems perhaps arise from a deep social conservatism in Sweden that is a strength when it comes to working in state services and a weakness when immigrants arrive with radically different world views.

And in legislating around sex work and drugs, where their policies are extremely conservative and quite…

]]> Tue, 08 Sept 2015 20:08:24 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=347591#post347591 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=347591#post347591 The role of 'critic and conscience'

and writer of history – all very important.

]]> Tue, 08 Sept 2015 17:48:18 +1200 Euan Mason https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=347589#post347589 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=347589#post347589 Apparently things are not going so well in Scandanavia (note: selective cherry picking throughout).

I agree about the cherry picking. Sweden has a very high proportion of GDP delivered by government agencies, and salaries tend to be more equitable than we see in NZ. There is a small, privileged aristocracy…

]]> Tue, 08 Sept 2015 16:57:18 +1200 Marc C https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=347577#post347577 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=347577#post347577 Tue, 08 Sept 2015 13:51:56 +1200 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=347572#post347572 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=347572#post347572 I would prefer we paid higher rates of taxation and provided better government services.

I’d reverse the sequence of those two suggestions. Apparently things are not going so well in Scandanavia (note: selective cherry picking throughout). If you’re convinced that the Government are capable of spending their current intake responsibly…

]]> Tue, 08 Sept 2015 13:00:49 +1200 Kiwiiano https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=347570#post347570 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=347570#post347570 "Unfortunately, in the 1980s another Labour Government began to dismantle the welfare state...."
Unfair!! It was an admittedly effete Labour Party hijacked by the Act Party, who, once they had committed their dirty deeds, reverted to their true colours.

]]> Tue, 08 Sept 2015 12:37:20 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=347568#post347568 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=347568#post347568 Tue, 08 Sept 2015 12:30:56 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=347566#post347566 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=347566#post347566 Thanks Sacha. Oops, I meant main provider NGO for ID.

By the way I only had a minor part in the ASD Guideline development. I have always been an outsider in these government processes, with only the occasional glimpse in. The role of 'critic and conscience' feels more comfortable.

]]> Tue, 08 Sept 2015 12:24:47 +1200 Peter Malcolm https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=347565#post347565 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=347565#post347565 Good statement Hilary. We must push for a sognificant increase in taxation for those who can afford to pay so that Govt can afford to provide the services necessay so that we can return to the caring society that used to exist in NZ
Peter Malcolm

]]> Tue, 08 Sept 2015 12:09:46 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=347560#post347560 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=347560#post347560 the IHC, now the main advocacy NGO for intellectual disability
For clarity, IHC is also a large owner and provider of services, housing, etc. People First is the recognised Disabled People's Organisation (DPO) for people with impaired learning, thinking, etc.

A decade of policy work went into developing the comprehensive…

]]> Tue, 08 Sept 2015 10:32:06 +1200 Euan Mason https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=347559#post347559 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=347559#post347559 Tue, 08 Sept 2015 10:31:59 +1200 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=347558#post347558 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-just-think-of-the-children/?p=347558#post347558 Discussion from blog post.

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