Public Address | Cafe | Access: Is New Zealand Fair and Square? https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=353936#post353936 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=353936#post353936 I don't want to cut across this thread...but I've flicked something up on the" Disabilty Abuse:its not ok"

The Manawatu paper did published (briefly) the caregiver's name...

There were two staff for six children....Idea Services could well have afforded a higher staffing level.

Ms Middlemiss said law changes around disability…

]]> Mon, 21 Dec 2015 18:34:46 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=353927#post353927 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=353927#post353927 RNZ's story is better:

Nathan's mother Angela Middlemiss said she believed justice would have been done if police had investigated properly.

"I'm actually scared for other disability families, because it now means that nobody has to take things seriously when it comes to disability, and that scares me."

Ms Middlemiss…

]]> Mon, 21 Dec 2015 16:24:06 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=353925#post353925 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=353925#post353925 are unamused. ]]> Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:31:40 +1300 Angela Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=353913#post353913 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=353913#post353913 Is New Zealand Fair and Square? Are all lives treated equally in the eyes of the law?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/75318312/ipca-finds-investigation-into-severely-disabled-teens-death-lacking

Clearly not.

]]> Mon, 21 Dec 2015 10:58:31 +1300 Marc C https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=353484#post353484 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=353484#post353484 Well that sounds encouraging. But I come across few such discussions. Also we must bear in mind, there is often a disconnect between what many people say and like to have done, and what they will themselves do, when they are asked to provide the means for it.

For instance…

]]> Sat, 12 Dec 2015 23:15:01 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=353461#post353461 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=353461#post353461 So there is virtually NO discussion about poverty and many other “bio psycho social” aspects causing poor health, as that is not politically wanted. Low pay, poor job conditions, lack of suitable, decent work for those that do it, particularly persons with disabilities, those do not seem to be priorities.… ]]> Sat, 12 Dec 2015 10:52:26 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=353459#post353459 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=353459#post353459 And..a section of the submission prepared for the Domestic Violence and Disability Working Group in February 2014 recommends...

Recommendation 11:
New Zealand must end the provision of Minimum Wage Exemption Permits25 and
put in place alternative measures to ensure that all disabled people in paid work
are paid at least…

]]> Sat, 12 Dec 2015 10:33:57 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=353457#post353457 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=353457#post353457 CARGILL Enterprises creates high quality durable products using skilled staff ...

So...how do we find out if these "skilled staff" are paid at least the minimum wage?

exploitation.....definition..

the action or fact of treating someone unfairly in order to benefit from their work.
"the exploitation of migrant workers"
synonyms: taking…

]]> Sat, 12 Dec 2015 08:01:36 +1300 Marc C https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=353094#post353094 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=353094#post353094 Tue, 08 Dec 2015 13:49:36 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=353076#post353076 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=353076#post353076 http://www.odt.co.nz/hillside-feature/busy-bees-cargill-enterprises-cargill-enterprises ]]> Tue, 08 Dec 2015 10:25:11 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=353049#post353049 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=353049#post353049 I'd hoped my own experience wasn't representative of the industry, but perhaps not, and maybe nothing's changed after 20 years.

From the experiences of a close family member who'd been regularly assisting a friend with her Dunedin newspaper and leaflet deliveries, it seems that things haven't improved. As someone with…

]]> Mon, 07 Dec 2015 19:47:09 +1300 Graham Dunster https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=353046#post353046 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=353046#post353046 "How do they get around our minimum wage laws?"

Easy, make them independent contractors. The erstwhile 'employee' is then responsible for everything (including ACC levies on their payments) and the 'employer' is responsible for nothing. The film & tv business, amongst many others, is run this way and the 'employees' just…

]]> Mon, 07 Dec 2015 19:13:25 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=353042#post353042 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=353042#post353042 Voila!

http://thehub.superu.govt.nz/sites/default/files/HRC-11-Tracking%20Equality%20at%20Work%20for%20Disabled%20People.pdf

Currently 1076 people receive a minimum wage
exemption permit under s8 of the Minimum Wage
Exemption Act.5 In 2001, under the DPEP Act,
approximately 5400 people were employed in
sheltered workshops. There are 136 employers
across New Zealand who employ people who
have a minimum wage exemption. Some…

]]> Mon, 07 Dec 2015 17:57:26 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=353036#post353036 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=353036#post353036 How do they get around our minimum wage laws?

http://employment.govt.nz/er/pay/exemptions/disabilitiesemployees.asp

last time I looked there were over a hundred 'businesses' exempted from paying the minimum wage to their disabled empolyees..

very hard to find the list....try ASENZ....

]]> Mon, 07 Dec 2015 17:16:18 +1300 Moz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=353028#post353028 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=353028#post353028 How do they get around our minimum wage laws?

The first and easiest way is to ensure that prosecution requires a complainant. Then make it clear to potential complainants that they will be fired and blacklisted.

The second, and longer-term way, is to elect right-wing governments who will make it…

]]> Mon, 07 Dec 2015 16:22:27 +1300 Sam M https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=353022#post353022 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=353022#post353022 Mon, 07 Dec 2015 16:00:30 +1300 Marc C https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=352999#post352999 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=352999#post352999 "The work experience served to accentuate extreme anxiety for the disabled person and it was necessary to advise the other party to the contract that further service could not be provided." And:

__"It seems to me that the ‘free economy’ has almost achieved its goal; that is competition has run…

]]> Mon, 07 Dec 2015 14:02:54 +1300 bob daktari https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=352975#post352975 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=352975#post352975 I'd hoped my own experience wasn't representative of the industry, but perhaps not, and maybe nothing's changed after 20 years

its been going on longer than that, direct marketing this way has always exploited the worker, only thing thats possibly changed is the workforce has got older as real employment/cost…

]]> Mon, 07 Dec 2015 12:21:02 +1300 izogi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=352972#post352972 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=352972#post352972 I won't excuse it, but I also don't think this is necessarily a recent thing.

My exposure to the circular-delivery industry, in the late 1990s as a student, was sadly eerily similar. Soon after signing up, I rationally equated the rate with near slave labour. This was partly due to…

]]> Mon, 07 Dec 2015 12:07:53 +1300 TracyMac https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=352971#post352971 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=352971#post352971 This does nothing to address your wider concern about finding simple manual work for those with limited skills, but delivering newspapers/circulars has always been horribly underpaid for the work involved.

That industry is simply based on exploiting those who are most vulnerable – adolescents when I delivered 200 papers for…

]]> Mon, 07 Dec 2015 12:06:03 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=352970#post352970 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=352970#post352970 Mon, 07 Dec 2015 12:05:16 +1300 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=352969#post352969 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/access-is-new-zealand-fair-and-square/?p=352969#post352969 Discussion from blog post.

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