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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>If he didn’t have a partner……</q></p><p>He'd be in a spot of bother.  </p><p>However,  after Christchurch,  Civil Defence did get together with the necessary groups to formulate a disability specific 'disaster preparedness' plan.</p><p>Much of it is about planning and networking,  but also about building resilience and self sufficiency.  (I…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2016 09:48:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p>From the link above:</p><p>__Moran was unharmed but shaken by the 7.8 magnitude November 14 earthquake, which struck just after midnight and felt strongly in the upper South and lower North Islands. </p><p>"It was pretty scary. It is really scary when you can't get out of bed and the power…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2016 09:06:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p>The issue with emergency back-up for breathing machines continues....<br /><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-express/news/86965325/marlborough-disability-register-proposed-for-disaster-response" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-express/news/86965325/marlborough-disability-register-proposed-for-disaster-response</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2016 21:31:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q> fit for purpose.</q></p><p><q>Of course, it’s cheaper still to just let people die.</q></p><p>Angela Hart is,  sadly,  correct.</p><p>I suspect that  there is, actually,  deep in the bowels of the Ministry of Health operating policy, a redacted section that does say "no heroic measures" for 'consumers' who need "x" level…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2016 14:41:37 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Taking a health organisation to court for their role would be interesting. The Ministry's lawyers have previously argued that they have no duty of care, but I'm not sure how low DHBs would stoop.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2016 14:31:27 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Brent Jackson</title>
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						If a person's life depends on a ventilator, then it MUST have a battery back-up.  It's not the car-crash or the electricity company that is responsible for the death, it is the DHB for supplying a life support device that was not fit for purpose.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2016 14:07:01 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						One worrisome aspect of this particular case is the implication in the article that had the power company known of the medical dependency, they would have done something. In my experience the power company considers it has no responsibility in this regard because it cannot and does not promise to…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2016 16:30:08 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p>And....<a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/82981121/man-charged-over-powercut-that-led-to-taupo-womans-death" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">man-charged-over-powercut-that-led-to-taupo-womans-death</a></p><p>Follow up to this...<a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/76424345/Taupo-woman-Fai-Deane-dies-after-crash-cuts-Unison-Networks-power-to-ventilator" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><br />Taupo-woman-Fai-Deane-dies-after-crash-cuts-Unison-Networks-power-to-ventilator</a></p><p><q>A 21-year-old Rotorua man will appear in Taupo District Court on Wednesday charged with being a criminal nuisance in relation to the outage that stopped Fai Deane's ventilator working. </q></p><p>Had this lady's ventilator had a battery back-up....</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2016 14:25:59 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p>More about this from the <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11582505" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Herald</a></p><p><q>In 2007, Mangere woman Folole Muliaga died the same day a contractor to Mercury Energy cut the power to her home. A coroner later found the 45-year-old, who was using an oxygen machine, died as a result of morbid obesity, but also that the…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2016 17:25:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/76424345/taupo-woman-fai-deane-dies-after-crash-cuts-unison-networks-power-to-ventilator" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Update</a>,  and guess what the folk commenting are saying?
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				<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2016 14:05:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/76421228/taupo-woman-fai-deane-was-killed-by-power-cut--flatmate" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Death by power cut in Taupo</a>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2016 08:22:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p><q>No, it is the solution recommended by the Coroner in 2012.</p><p></q></p><p>I have yet to follow through with the DHB and will use this when I  do, thanks Rosemary.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2015 09:23:06 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p><q>And speaking of disrespectful and demeaning and simply not good enough…I found this…<a href="https://givealittle.co.nz/cause/help4cory" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://givealittle.co.nz/cause/help4cory</a></p><p>which if correct, is also more than a little bit scary.</q></p><p>It can't be the whole story, if any of it is true.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2015 09:22:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>This is the Rolls Royce solution.</q></p><p>No,  it is the solution recommended by the Coroner in 2012.</p><p><a href="http://www.justice.govt.nz/courts/coroners-court/publications/recommendations-recap/recommendations-recap-issue-3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.justice.govt.nz/courts/coroners-court/publications/recommendations-recap/recommendations-recap-issue-3</a></p><p>No need to read it all,</p><p><q> The coroner adopted the recommendation in the Summary<br />of the Southern District Health Board event review summary.<br />**He recommended that the availability of non-invasive ventilation machines,…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2015 23:57:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p>This is the Rolls Royce solution.<br />There doesn’t appear to be any provision for back-up power supply routinely through the DHB. If you are medically dependent, that is you, require electrically powered support most of the time, you can get a letter from the hospital to take to the MSD…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2015 11:45:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p>This has been bothering me since you posted this story...</p><p>Fisher and Paykel have a kit...<a href="http://www.cpapbatteries.nz/index.php/fisher-paykel-c400.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.cpapbatteries.nz/index.php/fisher-paykel-c400.html</a></p><p>would this work with the machine in your home?</p><p>$600 is small change for a life,  and priceless for piece of mind....methinks this would be the kind of equipment expense that would be justified…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2015 19:19:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p>Power outages are a problem across the ditch as well…<br /><a href="https://au.news.yahoo.com/sa/a/30381918/disabled-sa-man-dies-in-blackout/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://au.news.yahoo.com/sa/a/30381918/disabled-sa-man-dies-in-blackout/</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2015 16:59:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Adson</title>
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						<p>Children need opportunities to learn, become strong and be healthy in caring communities. Challenges do them no harm</p><p>The disabled need to have meaningful and productive lives within their capability, and a little extra capacity built in for discretionary decisions around what they would like to do. Those of us…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2015 22:02:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						Circular delivery rates are extremely low, probably because the work is traditionally done by children who don't qualify for either minimum wage or youth rates because they are too young. It is exploitation. I seem to remember some efforts to get better rates, but clearly they got nowhere.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2015 23:59:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Adson</title>
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						You will be aware that we have a family member who is a 40 year old male that is disabled. A couple of weeks ago after screwing up his courage to the sticking point in order to overcome the barrier of extreme anxiety he accepted the offer of work, in…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2015 23:12:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>however I can’t see your name on it.</q></p><p>Curioser and curioser!</p><p>However,  Tom,  just got your email and all sorted!  Thanks.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2015 20:09:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Adson</title>
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						Rosemary I am more than happy to remove you from my contacts list, however I can't see your name on it. Perhaps as a once only you could respond to my email and in that way I can be sure you are correctly identified, then ensure the removal is attended…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2015 18:26:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>But I was suggesting a portable UPS</q><br />Simple enough for even the most electrically inept person, well almost.</p><p>Car battery, battery charger and a simple sine-wave inverter. All available from a reputable motor accessory shop near you, or even Repco ;-)<br />Connect the whole caboodle together, plug in the charger…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2015 14:11:06 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>A world of paradox is complicated for the best of us; just imagine what it is like for a person who struggles with their thoughts?</q></p><p>Tom,  the very sad reality is that the 'system' is designed to create confusion and insecurity.</p><p>Under the Public Health and Disability Act, and according…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2015 09:12:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p>Tom Adson.</p><p>I admire your efforts, and I do understand your frustration....but could you please remove my details from your contacts list?</p><p>When I receive an unsolicited email with a list of other recipients that takes up half a page...I am tempted to treat it a spam and report it…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2015 08:38:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Adson</title>
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						Recently I sought to procure $10,000 so that it could be used to help develop IT services and software aimed at enhancing mental health recovery plans focussed on those all important things; information, communication and effective feedback. A first step in relation to this would be to provide selected members…
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				<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2015 21:28:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2015 21:04:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						I'm pleased to report that the DHB has now reimbursed the generator hire cost. I shall invest in an inverter and a battery.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2015 20:29:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p><q>The irony as we’ve discussed is that they spend more money saying no than if they just got on with it and said yes.</q></p><p>and they really don’t grok that</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2015 20:23:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Keeping control of a budget is important but it shouldn't be the prime factor and it usually is, and it shows.</q></p><p>The irony as we've discussed is that they spend more money saying no than if they just got on with it and said yes.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Thank you for that. And welcome to Access.
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						<p><q>“I always feel stressed dealing with them because you feel like they’re going to take something away from you,”</q></p><p>Just like the NASC system (which was pleased to take away our useless carer support days yesterday) except that</p><p> <q>indication of what you’re entitled to</q></p><p>you have no entitlement with MOH,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2015 08:56:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>The Accident Compensation Corporation (ACC) has been accused of being stingy to families of severely disabled children.</q></p><p>ACC has obviously been taking lessons from the Miserly of Health.</p><p>My understanding (and I  could be wrong) is that there is a very grey area under ACC when it comes to funding…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2015 08:56:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>ACC <a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/289452/acc-fights-group-action-over-disabled-kids" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">in court</a> again.</p><p><q>Gordon Palmer sold his business to help his wife, as looking after Luke alongside two other young children became full-time work for two people. But the ACC only paid them attendant care for 35 hours a week.</p><p>"We ran his rehabilitation from home. It meant that…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2015 07:31:26 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>if I needed to come in,</q></p><p>Ahem....</p><p>according to this....<a href="https://www.health.govt.nz/.../hcss-implementation-guide-mar09.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.health.govt.nz/.../hcss-implementation-guide-mar09.pdf</a></p><p><q>Needs assessment and service co-ordination will be conducted with the person in an environment comfortable to them.  The NASC <strong>will</strong>:</p><p>•	provide information about the NASC service and work to ensure people, providers, GPs, other community groups and potential referrers…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2015 22:01:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Gillian Hart</title>
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						<p><q>(because we want nothing to do with them since they seem to think residential care would be appropriate for Peter) </q></p><p>Residential care is appropriate for Peter like execution is appropriate punishment for farting in public.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:52:44 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q> throw a rock at </q></p><p><strong>See!</strong>   Scary.</p><p><q>or beg a passing seagull </q></p><p>We will <strong>not</strong> beg.</p><p>(but you could <em>pay</em> a seagull,  bread maybe?)</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:25:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p>Is there perhaps a money exchange in the building?  A pharmacy?</p><p>A diamond dealer?</p><p><strong>WTFF?</strong></p><p><q>We’re a scary lot</q></p><p>I can see that.  That <em>hand</em> moving towards the <em>button</em>!</p><p>Questions Need To Be Asked.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:21:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Gillian Hart</title>
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						Yeah. They tried to assure us that they’d see me on the screen if I needed to come in, but the screen only comes awake in reception when the button is pressed–I saw it happen while we were up there.  I only caught a glimpse of the standing person’s top…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:14:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p><q>Maybe we could compile a pictorial record of these examples of state funded disability providers failing to provide adequate access.</q></p><p>Something like Steal Magnolia, maybe Access Denied? Russell?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:14:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p><q>.is that a camera I spy in your pic? On the intercom panel?</q></p><p>yup, if you can't be seen,  you probably don't get in. Secure access, even for the stairwell. We're a scary lot, must be.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:07:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>Push the intercom button and you come up on a screen in Taikura’s reception </q></p><p>Hang on a minute….is that a <em>camera</em> I spy in your pic?  On the intercom panel?</p><p>Please tell me it isn’t so…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:51:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>This is a NASC. Can you believe it??????</q></p><p>Sadly,  yes.</p><p>The very <strong>last</strong> thing the NASCs want is for <strong>actual disabled people</strong> to turn up at the office.</p><p>Goodness gracious me...we can't have that.</p><p>The NASC in Hamilton,  Disability Support Link is...</p><p>Upstairs?    <strong>Yes</strong><br />Small lift?    <strong>Yes</strong><br />Mobility Parking?  **one…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:46:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p>Going back to agencies, Needs Assessment and Service Co-ordination Agencies are contracted to the Ministry of Health to assess what supports people with disabilities may need and co-ordinate the provision of those unmet needs. </p><p>We had a meeting at Taikura Trust's (our NASC) premises today, and blow me down THEY…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:27:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>the punishment <em>is</em> the symptom...</strong><br /><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/73808611/corrections-cuts-community-work-supervisors-hours-as-offenders-fail-to-show" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/73808611/corrections-cuts-community-work-supervisors-hours-as-offenders-fail-to-show</a><br /><q> Corrections is cutting Canterbury community work supervisors' weekly hours as offenders consistently fail to show up.<br />Their union says the move is the result of Corrections failing to make offenders comply with their sentences.<br />Offenders in the region turned up for community work 29…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2015 14:55:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p><q>Because…although one might be “eligible"….that doesn’t necessarily mean “entitled”.</p><p></q></p><p>I started a response but I can't seem to do it without ranting, because the Ministry's refusal to accept that anyone is entitled makes me so cross. They just like to see all the begging bowls lined up. Must make them…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2015 22:07:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>"The Ministry of Health are only legally obligated to supply one wheelchair ramp, but the Fire Service always recommends at least two exits," Mr Knighton said.</q></p><p>The Miserly of Health.</p><p>I'd actually like to see that in print on an MOH document.  The "legally obligated" bit.</p><p>Because...although one might be…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2015 16:17:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p>Seems to be topical today, here's another fresh approach to an access/egress problem which is widespread across New Zealand<br /><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/wairarapa-times-age/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503414&amp;objectid=11541288" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/wairarapa-times-age/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503414&amp;objectid=11541288</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2015 15:17:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p>Physical access to facilities is a major issue. A friend turned up yesterday to chew the fat (yes I've been reading the obesity thread :-) and it turned out she's been fighting for access to the local Auckland Council run pool for two years now. </p><p>Unbelievable! </p><p> A lovely person who…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2015 09:37:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p>The Be. outfit is taking a fresh approach to accessibility<br /><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/73743062/help-make-new-zealand-more-accessible" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/73743062/help-make-new-zealand-more-accessible</a></p><p>I had no idea Tariana had a tetraplegic brother, it explains a lot, you really can't appreciate people’s experiences of disability unless you get to know them well</p><p>“For too long, the disability community in particular have been denied…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2015 09:23:52 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p>I phoned as a client,  our phone number is on their database so it triggered a client specific response. I was asked 'security' questions to verify my ID...and was told we were NOT on their database of medically vulnerable.  THIS...is a good system.</p><p>Well done Genesis...I am hoping this means…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2015 11:42:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p><q>Surely for water heating you’d choose a solar heat exchanger rather than converting solar into electricity first?</q></p><p>We have a panel type heat exchanger on the roof. We didn't need to move the cylinder and the pump is small and silent. Since we installed it several years ago there has…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2015 11:34:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p><q>I suggested that someone from Genesis come here and read the post and the comments.</q></p><p>Good on ya  Rosemary!</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2015 11:29:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						<p><q>Surely for water heating you'd choose a solar heat exchanger rather than converting solar into electricity first?</q></p><p>Sometimes. For us in Sydney it's cheaper and easier to buy extra PV than go to the hassle and expense of either a heat pump system or "simple" heat exchanger. The problem with…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2015 11:06:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p>Coincidentally,  we received a 'planned power outage' notification from Genesis this morning.</p><p>So I gave the 0800 number a ring and passed on the concerns discussed in this thread.</p><p>The usual suggestions....all of which would attract a cost to the consumer...</p><p>My suggestion was that the power company keep a…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2015 10:55:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						thanks Hilary, it feels like wading through mud
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				<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2015 15:49:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						Good work
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				<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2015 14:36:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						Yes, you probably would. Although it's possible that in the future the total cost and depreciation of a solar PV system might be such that it's cheaper than the direct method.
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				<title>linger</title>
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						Surely for water heating you'd choose a solar heat exchanger rather than converting solar into electricity first?
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						<p>Solar panels are optimised to generate power at a fixed voltage &ndash; around 18v. If you drain too much current, the voltage goes down and the power goes down by more. </p><p>The power converted by a hot water element is proportional to the square of the actual input voltage -…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2015 13:14:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						Do they vent the oxygen to atmosphere?
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p>Thanks Sacha, Prof Paterson and his team deserve the credit here.</p><p>That particular reason won’t  be used to decline again. But the Ministry’s strategy was successful in delaying an informative response.</p><p> The information ultimately provided was quite limited because almost every NASC claimed not to know total hours of support…</p>
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						Hot water cylinder? Usually over 2kW, so you'd need a *lot* of panels, or a battery, *or* and I'm not sure these are available, an inverter that instead of delivering 240v or nothing, adapts its output voltage to match the available input current, which would work with a heating element…
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2015 07:50:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p><q>many agencies withhold lots of information for dubious reasons,</q></p><p>on that note you may be interested to have a look at case note reference 380335 here <a href="http://www.ombudsman.parliament.nz/resources-and-publications/case-notes/official-information-case-notes" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.ombudsman.parliament.nz/resources-and-publications/case-notes/official-information-case-notes</a></p><p>which gives the Ombudsman's take on a particularly dubious reason for withholding information</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2015 23:42:55 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Marc C</title>
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						<p>Talking about agencies, and problems dealing with them, perhaps we can start with sending the Office of Ombudsmen a message re the lack of transparency and accountability that many state agencies show us. Many have a poor record on OIA requests and how they provide sought information.</p><p>As part of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2015 22:36:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<q>I have some thoughts on how you might cut through the bureaucracy – write to the Electricity Authority, your DHB, Minister for Energy, Minister of Health and Minister of Social Welfare. Cc them all in on the one letter so they know they’ll need to work together on a response.…</q>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2015 20:32:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>B Jones</title>
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						I have some thoughts on how you might cut through the bureaucracy &ndash; write to the Electricity Authority, your DHB, Minister for Energy, Minister of Health and Minister of Social Welfare.  Cc them all in on the one letter so they know they'll need to work together on a response.…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2015 20:21:52 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>Solar PV with no batteries and no grid tie would be fairly useless (except for special purposes), not least because you generally want lights on during the hours of darkness.</q></p><p>I went to a fascinating talk last week in Lower Hutt (run by Cafe Scientifique) which was all about solar/wind…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2015 19:29:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						Solar PV with no batteries and no grid tie would be fairly useless (except for special purposes), not least because you generally want lights on during the hours of darkness.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2015 17:10:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						or 'investors' seeking dividends
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				<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2015 15:36:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						Of course another approach would be to recentralise and renationalise electricity generation and supply including lines so there would be one centralised provider, database etc etc. And much cheaper electricity and incentives for solar and wind too. After all New Zealanders built the system so we shouldn't be paying a…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2015 14:42:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						<p><q>All up, our solar power system in our Bus cost about $2000 dollars. AND...in our situation....provides a much better quality of life within our very restricted income. Speaking of contingency plans, our Bus is ours.</q></p><p>Yep, that's a good solution for you. But it doesn't really generalise except in the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2015 14:17:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						<p><q> <em>What if we all had solar panels on the roof or our own wind turbine in the garden?</em>  <br />It would cost much, much more than $120?</q></p><p>Whole different question :)</p><p>That is really a "who pays" question, in Australia for a while the upfront payment for renewable energy certificates was…</p>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>What if we all had solar panels on the roof or our own wind turbine in the garden?</p><p>It would cost much, much more that $120?</q></p><p>Yes,  but,  once up and running a solar (and maybe wind) powered system is so liberating.</p><p>All up,  our solar power system in our…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2015 14:10:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Lucy Telfar Barnard</title>
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						<q>What if we all had solar panels on the roof or our own wind turbine in the garden?</q>It would cost much, much more that $120?
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				<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2015 13:49:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p>Thanks Rosemary. </p><p>I was thinking that where there’s a fault requiring the linesman to have power turned off to a street or two, that if he was expected to check a readily available (to him) database for medically vulnerable customers, that would offer some safety options. He could phone the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2015 12:58:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p>There's a website!</p><p><a href="https://www.ea.govt.nz/operations/retail/retailers/retailer-obligations/medically-dependant-and-vulnerable-customers/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.ea.govt.nz/operations/retail/retailers/retailer-obligations/medically-dependant-and-vulnerable-customers/</a></p><p>AND....Guidelines!!!!</p><p>file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/Guideline-on-Arrangements-to-Assist-Medically-Dependent-Consumers.pdf</p><p>BUT....<q>(d) the Guideline does not imply a guaranteed supply of electricity. Temporary<br />electricity outages do occur from time to time. It is expected that:<br />(i) MDCs note that retailers cannot guarantee the supply of electricity at<br />all times. Therefore MDCs need to take responsibility…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2015 12:30:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p>I’ve read through the posts and the general opinion seems to be that responsibility lies mainly with the health people providing the equipment. I will put forward some of the suggestions for a flexible back-up system if and when I get the opportunity. </p><p>The other angle that occurred to me…</p>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p>I’ve only once called for an ambulance, for a friend who’d been assaulted and concussed, but they were busy so the police, whom I had called about the attack on my quiet suburban street, took him in to A&amp;E. </p><p>We think twice about calling an ambulance because of the cost…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2015 12:05:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p><q>The helicopter was free north of Auckland, last time they winched me onboard.</q></p><p>Bloody hell! and you still sail?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2015 12:00:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q> last time they winched me onboard.</q></p><p>Bloomin heck!   I'm not religious,  but I have more than once been in a boat in a 3m sou wester aiming for the Kawhia Bar.  Singing under my breath...</p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KCiMdR1ox0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KCiMdR1ox0</a></p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>Yes as far as Otaki and the Wairarapa. Great tradition of the Free Ambulance Service. They also give free advice and come and attend to accidents in the home all no charge. Wellingtonians fundraise hard to keep the service though.</q></p><p>A little bit of background <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Norwood" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a>. A civic dignitary who…</p>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						Yes as far as Otaki and the Wairarapa. Great tradition of the Free Ambulance Service. They also give free advice and come and attend to accidents in the home all no charge. Wellingtonians fundraise hard to keep the service though.
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p><q>Unlike enlightened places like Wellington, Chch doesn’t have a free ambulance.</q></p><p>So, are ambulance services in Wellington free to people being transported? They're not in Auckland.</p>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						Another opportunity to comment if you have the time and fortitude <a href="http://www.health.govt.nz/publication/new-zealand-health-strategy-consultation" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.health.govt.nz/publication/new-zealand-health-strategy-consultation</a>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2015 09:56:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>What did the people of Chch who were in this predicament do apre boom boom crash bang?</q></p><p>Good question. Unlike enlightened places like Wellington, Chch doesn't have a free ambulance. Even if you've made your way to the doc via your own transport, if you're deemed to be hospital fodder…</p>
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						What did the people of Chch who were in this predicament do apre boom boom crash bang?
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2015 21:31:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>We regularly point out to various medical professionals that the feed pump we use has a battery built in but the respiratory equipment has no back-up. They think it's odd too. But nothing changes.</q></p><p>Not. Their. Problem. <br />#pffft</p>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p><q>I’d just like to think there was a Plan B,<br />and C, D,…</q></p><p>I'd be quite happy if I thought there was even a plan A in this context</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>dammed if do...</strong><br /><q>There’s rather a lot of sunk cost in dams, windfarms and geothermal. Are you suggesting we demolish them all in favour of home solar panels and wind turbines?<br /></q><br />That's pretty heavy duty reading between the lines, there!<br />Not sure where I suggested or  even implied any of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2015 19:40:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Robert Urquhart</title>
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						<q>The craziest thing about solar at the moment is that if mains power goes off and you’re grid connected, you loose your solar as well. Because of risk to linesmen if there is unexpectedly power on the line when they try to fix it. You’d think the system could be…</q>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p><q>I’m amazed that in-home medical equipment actually comes without a battery backup – even if only half an hour’s duration. I’m even more amazed that the health authority has no guidelines or provision for recommending/providing additional backup equipment for precisely this scenario.</q></p><p>It is odd. We regularly point out to…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>your bureaucrat might be good at getting all the stakeholders in a room, nutting out a solution and socialising it</q></p><p>That skillset (and organisational permission to use it) is lacking. Part of the problem is that the Public Finance Act etc makes it too hard for agencies to share responsibility…</p>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						Kinda like we're doing here?
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				<title>B Jones</title>
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						It's a problem when anything gets so complicated that people have to specialise.  Your average electrician would have few professional opportunities to think about their service from the point of view of a person needing 24/7 medical equipment.  Your average disability support worker would have few professional opportunities to muck…
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p><q>Our GP friend struggled with an antiquated computer, till we encouraged her to buy a brand new plug and play Macintosh. </q></p><p>Our GP was perfectly comfortable with his Mac based practice, but was obliged to change to the Dark Side in order to have compatibility with DHB systems, apparently.</p>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p><q>But I really do want a Tesla battery, becouse I just want one.</q></p><p>I understand the attraction, I'll put one in with the cake :-)</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2015 16:21:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>There's rather a lot of sunk cost in dams, windfarms and geothermal. Are you suggesting we demolish them all in favour of home solar panels and wind turbines?</p><p>Not to mention that it's rather more efficient and sustainable to generate power as a community resource rather than individually (and given…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2015 15:49:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p>Solar panels...have two 85W on the roof of our Bus.  Four (don't ask how many amphours,  guys) deep cycle batteries.  We have a doohick to take excess power generated from the engine(once the cranking battery is topped up) and dump that into the deep cycle batteries.</p><p>We have a pure…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2015 15:48:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p><q>What if we all had solar panels on the roof or our own wind turbine in the garden?</q></p><p>Trouble is you need batteries to store your solar power so you can use it at night, that seems to be where the major cost is for independence of supply now. Although…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2015 15:47:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p><q>The cheap inverter from dick smith, gives you a normal 240 plug output socket for the appliance, and red and black jumper leads for the car battery.</q></p><p>Great, that’s a practical solution which only needs manual connection as required. If I had your address I’d send you a cake! Thanks…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2015 15:41:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p><q>professional expert staff, who knew how to work with the often-flaky resources they had.</q></p><p>yup, same here in Auckland. The DHB's have been starved for too long and hospital equipment is often troublesome. Unfortunately it'll probably take a publicised needless death or two for the resourcing situation to be addressed…</p>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						What if we all had solar panels on the roof or our own wind turbine in the garden?
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2015 15:25:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>power to the people...</strong><br />Dependence on proprietary electricity supply is an evolutionary dead end &ndash; it is fast becoming something we can't take for granted or afford...</p>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p><q>portable UPS is actually a better solution in almost all cases, just because it’s flexible.</q></p><p>I'm unclear how I'd actually connect a UPS but I'll investigate further. When I asked an electrical firm about UPS some time ago, they checked things out and said it would be impractical because of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2015 15:16:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>What would happen if the Wheel Reinventing machine was to shut down?</q><br />Unemployed 'spokes-people'?<br />A Hub to nowhere...<br />;-  )</p>
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				<title>izogi</title>
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						<p><q>The piece of medical kit should have a back up battery built into it.</q></p><p>In recent times I’ve only experienced the delivery and post-natal areas of Wellington’s DHB, but my impression of that was that much of the equipment was dated and not always working reliably. In all the times…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>This reminds me of the time that our street had a physical outage in phone service – a Watercare worker broke a drain which flooded the ancient paper-insulated copper at the corner.</p><p>It took a week to repair and our very unwell elderly neighbour, George, became quite distressed as he…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2015 15:05:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p><q>OK, a $70 inverter from dick smith, plugged into a car battery, is the minimum requirement. But it would have done the job.</p><p>The next level of back up would be:</p><p>(1) a $120 AGM battery, which are bog standard, and sealed. They are easy to move around.</p><p>(2) an…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2015 15:00:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						<p><q>  24v DC, 1.25A(FG), 3.75A (sys)</q></p><p>I'm going to guess that it has two modes of operation, and somehow FG is one and sys is the other. But even 3.75A at 24V is only 90W, so a modern lithium battery should be able to power it for a while. If you…</p>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						<p><q> How they'll prioritise reliability of service, electrical backups etc. compared to least cost per patient is another question.</q></p><p>I really suspect (having worked with a variety of medical devices) that the portable UPS is actually a better solution in almost all cases, just because it's flexible. Rather than one battery…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2015 14:44:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Oliver Thompson</title>
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						<p>Pharmac is moving into into medical devices as well as drugs &ndash; so the single purchaser model is coming, but not there yet. How they'll prioritise reliability of service, electrical backups etc. compared to least cost per patient is another question.</p><p><a href="https://www.pharmac.health.nz/medicines/hospital-devices/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.pharmac.health.nz/medicines/hospital-devices/</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2015 14:38:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Berinthia Binnie</title>
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						<p><q> As with many situations we encounter, a properly thought through and applied solution is likely to be much more cost effective as well as better than the ad hoc situation we seem to have. </q></p><p>But it wouldn't bode well for GDP (Gross Dithering &amp; Procrastination) What would happen if the Wheel…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2015 14:24:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Lucy Telfar Barnard</title>
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						Thinking about the way health economics works, it might be possible to make a case for the $120 backup for every machine, thanks (alas) to the death of Wayne Haamia.  Wayne died at 28. The average New Zealand life expectancy is, what, 81 years? So that would be 53 years…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2015 14:19:07 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>TracyMac</title>
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						<p>Unbelievable. We are <em>not permitted</em> to install a poxy $4000 server without a battery backup, where I work. Yes, down to the server that hosts the library catalogue. Nothing critical to life (quality). </p><p>I'm amazed that in-home medical equipment actually comes without a battery backup &ndash; even if only half…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2015 13:45:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p><q>There are 20 DHBs, about 15 NASCs and numerous power companies in New Zealand. You would think there was a standard process for dealing with these issues. Or that one could be developed.</q></p><p>yes, my thinking too. But it requires leadership from somewhere as well as a comprehensive understanding of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2015 13:20:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>B Jones</title>
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						<p><q>There are 20 DHBs, about 15 NASCs and numerous power companies in New Zealand. You would think there was a standard process for dealing with these issues.</q></p><p>Well, that's the problem right there.  The more people there are responsible for an outcome, the less likely that outcome will be achieved.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						I worked on the caseweight calculation software at one stage, for my sins.
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q> though you may regret it.</q></p><p>Not at all....and believe it or not we had kinda worked out what you said (gulp!) but not in so many words.</p><p>The $1425.67 per night sounds about right...just for the bed, and peripherals...such as nursing care and the like.  No actual treatment per se.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2015 12:26:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Lucy Telfar Barnard</title>
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						<p>Thanks for asking :-D… though you may regret it.</p><p>And of course when I review my figures, I find I have posted in haste, and must now repent. The actual figure <em>per night</em> is somewhere in the range of about $700 – $1425 rather than “over $4500”. The “over $4500”…</p>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p><q>portable UPS, not the computer-style installed ones. It’s basically a briefcase full of batteries, and I’m somewhat surprised that they’re not standard equipment for hospitals </q></p><p>Thanks Moz, that's extremely useful information, which I will follow up on. I'm not sure of the power needs of the BiPAP, there isn't actually…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2015 12:02:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.hpenz.co.nz/product.aspx?ProductID=142" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.hpenz.co.nz/product.aspx?ProductID=142</a></p><p>2kVA?  Would that do the necessary?</p><p>"Retail price (excluding GST):	$2,595.56"</p><p>Trade or bulk buying...much cheaper.  </p><p>This model s popular with the motorhoming fraternity...must have your coffee machine!  Seriously though,  there are a few living fulltime in Buses that have CPAP and BiPaps...the genny is a must.</p>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p><q>Because of the buck-passing, only those people with enough social capital end up getting help. All of us pay for that one way or another.</q></p><p>Yes, and we had quite a lot of worry until we came up with a workable solution. You don't need extra anxiety when you already…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2015 11:44:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Berinthia Binnie</title>
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						Mind boggling when professionals tell you directly (genuine experience) that three times the cost of the equipment will be spent analysing, peer assessing (flying experts in from Wellington….cream cakes ‘n’ drip filter coffee) and debating whether the ‘essential piece of theraputic equipment’ is actually required. A process with no guarantee…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2015 11:40:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						<p><q>the starting points should be: (i) when evaluating and choosing equipment to order, seeking interconvertibility of battery packs and power trains across a wide range of medical equipment; and then (ii) using central purchasing for a Pharmac-style economy of scale</q></p><p>That's not usually how it works, though. As with cellphone…</p>
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						I do keep thinking "this is not $100 for a generator overnight, this is $4500 to keep someone out of hospital for a night", and somewhere there should be $1000 for a portable UPS... the payback period is 1/4 of the first time it's used. But I suspect the gap…
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p><q>A charitable description of Paula Bennett is that she’s Jenny Shipley with better PR. </q></p><p>We previously had a problem obtaining an essential piece of therapeutic equipment. Although recognised by the medical experts in the field as necessary and urgent, the Ministry of Health in its wisdom has a policy of…</p>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						There are 20 DHBs, about 15 NASCs and numerous power companies in New Zealand. You would think there was a standard process for dealing with these issues. Or that one could be developed.
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				<title>Berinthia Binnie</title>
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						<p><q> The piece of medical kit should have a back up battery built into it. We had an unplaned power outage the other night, when somebody drove a car into a power pole up the road. </q><br />Absolutely agree Steven. If the technology doesn’t exist it seems like an incredible design flaw.…</p>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						It seems that if DHBs were at all serious about solving this problem, the starting points should be: (i) when evaluating and choosing equipment to order, seeking interconvertibility of battery packs and power trains across a wide range of medical equipment; and then (ii) using central purchasing for a Pharmac-style…
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p><q>one could have reasonably expected that they would have got their collective shit together on this one.</q></p><p>yup, the Ministry of Health funded agencies (Manawanui and Taikura) both thought it had been sorted by obliging the power companies to do something. But they are wrong about that. I politely informed…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2015 11:16:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p><q>I think the DHB is extremely lucky to have had the option to pay $104 for the cost of a generator, when the average cost of a night in hospital is well over $4500.</q><br />Thanks Lucy, I didn't think it was as much as that but yes, there were three…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2015 11:10:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p><q> I would have suggested borrowing a portable UPS (Uninterruptable Power Supply) as used for computers and important medical equipment. </q></p><p>Thanks Moz, I researched UPS some time back and found that we couldn't afford to purchase one. It didn't occur to me to ask the hire outfit if they have them,…</p>
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				<title>Angela Hart</title>
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						<p><q>The piece of medical kit should have a back up battery built into it.</q></p><p>Specialised batteries are available but not built in. The  DHB responsible for respiratory equipment like ours in Auckland does not purchase the batteries. Their policy is to offer to provide a letter for the patient to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2015 11:02:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Thanks for writing this, Angela. It is so typical of disability support that the cost of all these agencies saying NO is more than it would cost to just say YES. </p><p>Because of the buck-passing, only those people with enough social capital end up getting help. All of us pay…</p>
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						<q>A charitable description of Paula Bennett</q>would have to start with the word "uncharitable”.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2015 10:42:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Phil Twyford</title>
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						Thanks for the acknowledgement Angela. Glad to help.
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>Well, my previous MP was Paula Bennett. My dealings with her office were unproductive.</q><br />A charitable description of Paula Bennett is that she's Jenny Shipley with better PR. She gets away with using her working-class background to basically set half the working class against the other half.</p>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<q>Phone calls continued.  I was repeatedly treated like an idiot, asked if I’d rung the power company, and surely I must have friends or family who could put us up for the night (friends and family with spare beds and wheelchair-accessible homes?).  I was told to go and see our…</q>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>when the average cost of a night in hospital is well over $4500.</q></p><p>I'm not questioning this figure....but have you a source for that?</p><p>I'll have a read after my eyes have stopped watering.</p>
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				<title>Lucy Telfar Barnard</title>
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						<p>I think the DHB is extremely lucky to have had the option to pay $104 for the cost of a generator, when the average cost of a night in hospital is well over $4500.</p><p>And yes, given that planned power outages are necessary and inevitable, it makes absolute sense for…</p>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						This stuff never ends, does it? And OMG, dealing with Paula Bennett doesn't strike me as the solution to anything. In IT we have a cliche that goes "I had a problem. So I decided to use regular expressions. Now I have two problems". Paula seems the sort to be…
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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