One of the things that really intrigues me about this post is what it seems to say about Kiwi's, and even other westerners, hidden attitudes towards spirituality. We seem to prefer to gaze upon the majesty, the complexity and the sheer magnificence of nature and in this perhaps to sense something greater than ourselves and possibly divine -but to have to come to terms with a personal being that might question us, challenge us, insist on being intimate with us and even require us to change -from this the vast majority of us seem to run a mile. I have always wondered if Dawkin's real issue with God will turn out like so many others to be moral, not merely intellectual