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Up Front: Not Such a Hard Word After All

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  • Stephen Judd,

    How is the court going to come to an opinion on allegations that are six years old?

    One way would be with documentary evidence from the accused. Hence the police search and seizure.

    Anyway, courts "come to opinions" -- reach verdicts, even -- on sex abuse cases that are far futher in the past, with no physical evidence, purely on the basis of testimony. This case will be straightforward by comparison.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3122 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    I have not once said I think that there's blackmail involved; but I think that is a perception that should be addressed on the 'evidence'.

    Yeah Martin, but you do keep using the word. In your own comment under the post I linked to, you say:

    I have come to the conclusion that the ‘blackmail’ angle is in the mix if you read between the lines.

    This after a prior post titled Was Tony Veitch being blackmailed?.

    Passively saying something is still saying it, especially when you do so repeatedly. Blackmail is a criminal offence. It has a specific meaning. And it can be complained about to the police.

    As I said above, this case will likely heap humiliation on all concerned when it comes to court. But I don't think hurling around words like "blackmail" is helpful at all.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22756 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Anyway, courts "come to opinions" -- reach verdicts, even -- on sex abuse cases that are far futher in the past, with no physical evidence, purely on the basis of testimony. This case will be straightforward by comparison.

    Quite. There is a public acknowledgement by the accused that something took place that led to a trip to hospital, news organisations have the paperwork for subsequent financial compensation, and ACC has a historical injury report from Ms Dunne-Powell that it has taken the unusual step of explicitly endorsing. There will be many people called to give evidence for either side.

    It's not exactly Sensing Murder.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22756 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    I'd like to thank you all for directing me to the Kiwiblog thread.

    Seriously, thanks a bunch.

    (Reaches for a bottle of hard liquor.)

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Passively saying something is still saying it, especially when you do so repeatedly. Blackmail is a criminal offence. It has a specific meaning. And it can be complained about to the police.

    Nicely put, Russell - it's all too cute and Gossip Girl for words. Sorry for sounding like a broken record, but where's the editorial judgement here? "Hey, I'm not saying Buffy Rockerfella is a nympho slut, that's just what I've been told..."

    Also, if Martin is seriously blogging about "media ethics", how about he stops "reading between the lines' and engages in a little critical analysis of the media outlets who constructed 'the lines' in the first place?

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    I'd like to thank you all for directing me to the Kiwiblog thread.

    Seriously, thanks a bunch.

    (Reaches for a bottle of hard liquor.)

    Equally seriously, there are times I get all Andrew Sullivan and wonder if the right really needs saving from itself. There's something really depressing about the idea of the rule of law being defined down as "political correctness gone mad".

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    I'd like to thank you all for directing me to the Kiwiblog thread.

    Seriously, thanks a bunch.

    ditto. I got suckered too. Craig! Where are you !:)

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    ditto. I got suckered too. Craig! Where are you !:)

    Trying to not get sucked into the crazy vortex, though according to one charmer I'm apparently off framing real men out of politically correct misandry and general envy of Veitch's talent and fortune. Really, how do you rationally engage with the fundamentally irrational (if not outright psychotic)?

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Meanwhile, nice to see "Steve Pierson" keeping up this thoughtful analysis:

    Tracey Watkins is said by some of her colleagues to be spending an ‘unseemly’ about of time hanging out in John Key’s office, she’s certainly spent enough time at National HQ recently to get similar with the wall hangings. So, it’s fairly safe to say we know where her loyalties lie, and it’s not with journalistic independence.

    I think it's fairly safe to say that both Kiwiblog and The Standard are getting deleted from my RSS reader until after the election.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Really, how do you rationally engage with the fundamentally irrational (if not outright psychotic)?

    Nice question.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19688 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    Trying to not get sucked into the crazy vortex,

    I try not to read, let alone engage, in soo much negativity. Sites like those can't be good for your health surely? To actually feed off the "hate" that some people espouse there (kiwiblog) is very sad in my minds eye.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Martin Hirst,

    if Martin is seriously blogging about "media ethics", how about he stops "reading between the lines' and engages in a little critical analysis of the media outlets who constructed 'the lines' in the first place?

    Craig, my very first post on the topic did precisely what you ask. I still think that the questions I posed to the DomPost are valid and haven't been answered. Who were/are their sources and what are their motives?
    I have focused on critical analysis of the media's role in this case all the way through. For example, pointing out that the lines from the Veitch camp have been getting a good run in the Sunday papers.
    Reading the sub-text in a story is part of the process of analysis.

    Auckland • Since Aug 2008 • 2 posts Report Reply

  • Sam F,

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1609 posts Report Reply

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