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Polity: Hosking’s right about jobs

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  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Tom Semmens,

    No one is saying no to free education, just an end to the idea the only education that counts is a costly tertiary one that goes on forever.

    And nature just happens to have gifted you with the kind of find mind to make these kinds of decisions on behalf of your inferiors. For someone so down with the lumpenproles, you do a pretty good impression of a barking snob.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • linger,

    Tom was arguing for different kinds of mind refinement –
    though the frame “many people are unable to benefit from university” was admittedly a clumsy way of introducing the premise “the present expensive time-consuming degree-oriented tertiary qualification system doesn’t work for many people” and an even less apt lead to the intended conclusion “there should be other types of training available too”.

    Yes, there should be. Different training methods can reach different people more effectively.

    But the choice of training should be up to the individual. It should be noted that dropout from tertiary qualifications is not merely a matter of “some people aren’t suited to it”, but also, and rather more importantly, “some situations – such as not having enough money to pay fees over a long period – aren’t conducive to it”. Equality of access matters too: that’s what is in Fraser, and that’s what has been lost.

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1928 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    Ahem, Pygmies? What's well put there? Let's not be insulting (?)

    I remember discussing Clayton Cosgrove's performance with you here a while back. You made a persuasive case for giving him the ongoing benefit of the doubt, which tallied with my then recent experience of his stumping up to post-quake events.

    So here we are, and Cosgrove, despite having been given shared responsibility for Lianne Dalziel's old job, made at the most five public statements on Chch recovery issues before being put out to parliamentary pasture. Presumably he'll go quietly at the next election. I appreciate that not everyone can be Kelvin Davis, but the Party as sheltered workshop model just isn't getting results down here.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to linger,

    ok take that back then . I did look for a reference other than it being derogatory to Pygmies but obviously not diligent enough because I thought that wasn't like Joe to be so flippant. Sorry.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Joe Wylie,

    All I can say, (not being down there and family not in touch too much) I was glad to see Dr Megan Woods getting a chance in the reshuffle to try make a difference for y'all. I imagine that everyone down there including the mps (old and new) must carry a weight we up here don't understand at present. I do not however give Brownlee a pass because ,well, just because he can be a right .....

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    On further reflection, having the incumbent being mostly bean counters and liars , I'd suggest until an Mp shouts as much as Davis has, for the Media, issues in ChCh won't get the traction so rightfully needed. This "gotcha" driven type Media journalism seems to be the only way to get any sort of attention that I suspect would be sorely appreciated down there. We see more and more "I'm alright jack" shit with comments alone in the papers. It's horrid but it is Media driven so maybe something drastic down there might expose the Brownlee fiasco, then David Farrar may suggest an embarrassed government might pull finger.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Tom Semmens,

    tradie or a teacher or a nurse

    though the last two require qualifications rather than on-the-job training.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19707 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to linger,

    But the choice of training should be up to the individual. It should be noted that dropout from tertiary qualifications is not merely a matter of “some people aren’t suited to it”, but also, and rather more importantly, “some situations – such as not having enough money to pay fees over a long period – aren’t conducive to it”. Equality of access matters too: that’s what is in Fraser, and that’s what has been lost.

    I think also that people with conditions such as ADHD and ASD need a more targeted approach that they don't necessarily get from a classroom structure or a MOOC. In my case, I dropped out from a combination of running low on funds, finding the final year coursework too complex, and the realisation that what I was learning didn't prepare very well for the real world. It's proven that the tech billionaire dropout effect doesn't apply to most people, for the simple fact they have nowhere near the connections, privilege and support systems that the Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerburgs had at university.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5429 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    I was glad to see Dr Megan Woods getting a chance in the reshuffle to try make a difference for y'all.

    I'd like to believe, her being my MP and all, but I'm not the only one who wondered where the heck she was at those post-quake events attended by Ruth Dyson, Clayton Cosgrove, and Brendon Burns. As Wigram was relatively unscathed there was an impression back then of I'm all right Jack. Perhaps she'll come into her own once she emerges from Anderton's shadow. I only wish that she'd shown a more spirited defence when she was subjected to this faux outrage bullying campaign. Because behind the scenes, the gloves have been off for some time now.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to linger,

    Tom was arguing for different kinds of mind refinement

    Tom was simply channeling Prince Charles.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    people on the spectrum are entitled to adequate support services as a right, according to our governments who observe the UN Convention about such matters. Whether they actually deliver on that is a measure of our community's political strength, which (surprise) is not that much. Happy December 3rd.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19707 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Joe Wylie,

    So, let's give her a heads up. I'm keen if you are. Actually I'm willing right now :)

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    Actually I'm willing right now :)

    A couple of hours ago I Liked her FB post from Paris.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

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