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  • InternationalObserver,

    The interview with Bob McCroskie on bFM is interesting because he admits that he hadn't actually watched Californication before calling for it to be boycotted.

    Something the MSM shoulda/coulda asked before reprinting FF's press release (with a phone quote inserted for good measure)??

    Since Jun 2007 • 909 posts Report Reply

  • KevinHicks,

    Oh damn. Nothing much happening here today except an irrational anachronistic outburst unworthy of a 70s fortune cookie just because you disagree with someone. The only conclusion possible is you really are desperate to defend our ruling junta who have left us with little more than pineapple lumps (and I gather from TV that god gave us them). Comeon Russell, Craig, you’d call it in if the mitten was on the other paw. If its good enough for the goose and all that.

    Auckland • Since Sep 2007 • 67 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Beard,

    Comeon Russell, Craig, you’d call it in if the mitten was on the other paw. If its good enough for the goose and all that.

    What, was the nun wearing mittens? Whose paw? And there was a goose involved?!?

    Wow, I gotta start watching this show! Thanks for the heads-up, Kevin.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1040 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    We've been watching the Dresden Files on Saturn. At least, my other half has been, whereas the wooden over-acting and general lameness have made me flee the room.

    It's not good enough to be engaging, but doesn't reach the depths of unaware crapulosity that makes a show a 'guilty pleasure' must see. Charmed was my last real g.p. must-see, but Supernatural is achingly close. Any traces of even latent intelligence or talent are fatal to GPTV.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • rodgerd,

    he only conclusion possible is you really are desperate to defend our ruling junta who have left us with little more than pineapple lumps

    dad4justice, is that you?

    On a related them, I was re-watching Life of Brian the other night and wondering exactly how thick you'd have to be to claim, as some people did, that the character was meant to be Jesus. What with Brian watching the Sermon on the Mount at the start of the film.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 512 posts Report Reply

  • Peter Darlington,

    Someone must have said to Duchovny you're a wooden actor & he took it as a compliment, he's reason enough not to watch.

    No way, he's great. He's wooden alright, but in the Bill Murray sense, not the Ronnie Reagan sense. Last night he managed to remain wooden while banging a Scientologist and puking over a painting, almost simultaneously.

    That's some fine kind of wooden, right there.

    Nelson • Since Nov 2006 • 949 posts Report Reply

  • Jeremy Andrew,

    What is it with Prime actually screening stuff?

    Having a ready source of non-US material could come in handy for them in the next few months if the fountain of mediocrity from the US dries up with the writers' strike and all.

    Hamiltron - City of the F… • Since Nov 2006 • 900 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    It is kind of strange how the people who shout the loudest about 'family values' always seem to end up in court on kiddie-fiddly charges.

    Eww... not quite what I was thinking of, and while I think Krosky The Klown is an idiot who should be allowed to talk his brand of excrement around impressionable children, I'd draw the line at any inference he's a kiddie-fiddler.

    When it comes to 'family values', mine include:
    1) Set appropriate and rational boundaries, and stick to them. (i.e. Little Rodders is not going to be up at 2130 on a school night, let alone watching anything with a title like Californication.)

    2) When it comes to parents and the media, be a engaged and informed one.

    One thing I find rather strange about Family First is that its pretty damn libertarian when it comes to beating the shit out of your children. But they're awfully gung ho about organs of state censorship. Unless they're putting R ratings on Mel Gibson's sado-masochistic essays in Jesus snuff...

    3) Unless you've received professional advice to the contrary, your child is not psychotic - and probably a damn sight more insightful and open to discussion that you give them credit for.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Jeremy Andrew,

    The interview with Bob McCroskie on bFM is interesting because he admits that he hadn't actually watched Californication before calling for it to be boycotted.

    But, unless the networks give him a preview copy (to ensure some good, negative publicity?), he would be unable to legally view it except by flying to a country that was broadcasting it. It ain't out on DVD for parallel importing yet. That leaves someone taping it and mailing to him (or Bit Torrent, but I think we can count that out), which I think is against the time-shifting fair-use rules in the US, Aussie and here.

    Hamiltron - City of the F… • Since Nov 2006 • 900 posts Report Reply

  • Peter Martin,

    I look forward to Family First previewing the doco on Prime this sunday night....

    The War On Science. BBC documentary investigating the controversial legal battle underway to demand the teaching of intelligent design as an opposing theory to the theory of evolution.

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 187 posts Report Reply

  • Lambert,

    It's a shame Bob didn't give the free publicity to a TV show more deserving of a ratings bump - like Rescue Me.

    Californication commits the unforgivable sin of making the main character a writer- cue lots of self-indulgent/smug/self-loathing wish fulfillment. I mean c'mon, how many writers in LA actually get to screw the sort of hotties David Duchovny does on that show? From what I've heard about the place, writers are somewhere above the homeless but below janitors on the Hollywood social ladder.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 27 posts Report Reply

  • KevinHicks,

    Ah yes the life of Brian had nothing to do with Jesus. It did however have a lot to do with politics - whenever the politicians are getting me down I take in a good dose of it or The Holy Grail and remind myself the Python team had already grown up by the 70s.

    What Bob has to say about Californication seems hardly worth debating, but certainly doesn't discredit his opinion on other issues. I doubt that he is in the anticscience camp so thats a bit of a red herring. Yes there has been a large antiscience movement for many decades (of which the evolution debate is one example) but thankfully more and more people are fighting back now (eg http://quackfiles.blogspot.com/).

    Oh BTW hope to see you all at the March against the Electoral finance Bill, 10 am Aotea Square, Auckland tomorrow. Fun.

    Auckland • Since Sep 2007 • 67 posts Report Reply

  • Peter Martin,

    Oh BTW hope to see you all at the March against the Electoral finance Bill, 10 am Aotea Square, Auckland tomorrow. Fun.

    Yeah...seems Bob will be there .

    "Hi - Bob McCoskrie from Family First. I’m passionate about issues affecting the family.
    I’m sure there are many issues you’re passionate about also.
    So if you value freedom of expression and the right of NZ’ers to participate in the political process, then you should be concerned about the Electoral Finance Bill. We believe it’s an invasion of our most basic human right – the right to have our views and your views heard. Please join us for a public demonstration and march down Queen St this Saturday."

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 187 posts Report Reply

  • KevinHicks,

    Great, the more the merrier. And champers at the end of it, or is the liquor ban still in place?

    Auckland • Since Sep 2007 • 67 posts Report Reply

  • InternationalObserver,

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    From what I've heard about the place, writers are somewhere above the homeless but below janitors on the Hollywood social ladder.

    Heh heh. We've all heard the joke about every waitress in Hollywood is a waitress-slash-actress, but this video from The Office really takes the cake:

    This video from The Daily Show puts the whole thing in perspective (and it's funnier):

    Since Jun 2007 • 909 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    Kevin, this piece is by Anke Richter, not Russell. She's a guest, exercising free speech, to talk about free speech, so we can exercise free speech in debating her view. I'd have thought you'd be all in favour of this kind of thing.

    I freely speak: Californication is rubbish, but I only found this out because I took the trouble to watch it. I won't bother again. I don't even mind Bob getting outraged about it (except that he made me waste an hour last week). I'd just like the MSM to ask for a few details occasionally - like, how many members he represents.

    And I note that this particular "Shut It Down" campaign has somehow avoided being labelled "political correctness gone mad". That of course is reserved for the points of view Family First doesn't share.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1333 posts Report Reply

  • Peter Martin,

    And I note that this particular "Shut It Down" campaign has somehow avoided being labelled "political correctness gone mad". That of course is reserved for the points of view Family First doesn't share.

    heh...I guess the boycott isn't any form of social engineering then...

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 187 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    It's just typical Nunny State.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1333 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    This video from The Daily Show puts the whole thing in perspective (and it's funnier):

    Heh, cameo by Jon Oliver!

    I hope they sort it out soon. Sounds to me like the writers have got a fair point, but I'd like the daily show back by early next year at the latest (actually I'd like it back this week at the latest, but that doesn't seem to be working out), so if the bosses could start finding some money in their wallets...

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Hosking,

    Ugh. This is, like, high school media studies. Family First need to watch more television.

    No no. Less.

    You didn't have to be particularly aware to work out, from the pre-publicity, that Californication was going to be tacky and exploitative, shit, I don't read much about TV but I'd heard about the nun and the blow job thing. It all sounded a bit like Madonna doing rude things with a crucifix. You know, real adolescent stuff pretending to be daring and shocking.

    Just the thought of all this stuff makes my brain sag. TV puts on something tacky and bills it as somehow boundary-pushing.

    The usual moral guardian types get all worked up.... its all unfold with a kind of tedious inevitablility.

    South Roseneath • Since Nov 2006 • 830 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    I freely speak: Californication is rubbish, but I only found this out because I took the trouble to watch it. I won't bother again. I don't even mind Bob getting outraged about it (except that he made me waste an hour last week).

    Everyone I know who watched it did so to see what the fuss was about. And decided that it just isn't a very good show.

    I'd just like the MSM to ask for a few details occasionally - like, how many members he represents.

    It's sort of like Bob bought the franchise from the Australian operation. he's the only thing on the About Us page. They "don't have an official membership", which is handy.

    But he does have a so-called board of reference which includes Jim Hickey and Michael Jones and their missuses.

    They're not much into teh science either:

    3. We affirm that the natural family is a fixed aspect of the created order, one implanted in human nature ...

    9. We affirm that the world is abundant in resources. The breakdown of the natural family and the consequential moral and political failure, not human “overpopulation,” account for poverty, starvation, and environmental decay.

    They're also anti-gay, 100% anti-abortion, etc etc. How does this guy get his billing as a social lobbyist rather than a fundie nutbar?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report Reply

  • Shep Cheyenne,

    Michael Jones does do good, I haven't seen evidence of it with Bob Mc yet.

    This is progressive on the Board of Reference:

    Dr Mary DALY and Chris MARTIN
    Mary is a GP practicing in South Auckland. Chris is a stay-home dad with a background in boatbuilding and tutoring in Marine Technology at Unitec NZ. They are both heavily involved in pre-marriage education. They have 4 children.

    Since Oct 2007 • 927 posts Report Reply

  • KevinHicks,

    Fair cop simon g. I don't agree with him in this case and if he hates it so much I fail to wee why he would want to give them such good publicity. I know its by Anke and I have no problem with people expressing their views I just thought it amusing that (a) its a frivolous topic and (b) all she does is attack the messenger instead of debating it anyway as you guys will be the first to criticise usually.

    Enough of the free speech stuff though as you and I both know that many people, me included, are only a few well chosen blog entries from being up for $100K plus legal bills if not a bit of time in the slammer for telling the truth about something if we really set our mind to it.

    Auckland • Since Sep 2007 • 67 posts Report Reply

  • linger,

    Shep:

    They are both heavily involved in pre-marriage education. They have 4 children.

    Joining the dots: proselytising antiabortionists? Not necessarily what I'd term progressive.

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1944 posts Report Reply

  • KevinHicks,

    There is a problem in NZ of almost anyone being able to start a pipi foundation and essentially the only rule that applies is they have to put in an audit. appart from that there seems to be little to control what the directors are allowed to pay themselves, how much can be speant on further fundraising and what % can be spent in overheads. The political spectrum is littered with them so its a real EEO activity. Our beloved gov tried to tighten up on them but got howled down, but hopefully siometime they will take another look.

    At present I expect some of those organisations will come along for the ride with us "silent majority" types who I hope believe in science and rational thought.

    Rusell has shown that pushed to far he will also rail against the nutbars at the other end of the political spectrum. There are other nutbars round too such as people who search throiugh school rubbish bins to prove that McD bad, sandwich pretty or who make immigrants go on diets before they're allowed into the country but do not apply the same standard of "disease clensing" to those infected with HIV or TB. So perhaps you could add anti-fat to your list there eh?

    And I do feel genuinely sorry for someone who cannot tell the difference between the nanny state and a pressure group.

    Auckland • Since Sep 2007 • 67 posts Report Reply

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