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Speaker: Are we seeing the end of MSM, and is that a good thing?

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  • steven crawford,

    Now it’s Saturday, it’s the day of the big fat news paper. with all the big celebrity opinions:

    But there is one crucial thing they really needed to do. Labour should have told the parents of the alleged victims. If I was the father I’d be furious. But apparently the victim has that right to privacy. The parents deserved to know to help make the best decision for their teenager

    The self styled, top of the pops journalist, also has an opinion about all the alcoholism slouching around all over the ruling liberal middle class, in my opinion.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 4016 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to steven crawford,

    Ive tried pulling out the iPhone, instead of a cigarette, but it’s unsatisfactory.

    There's an app for that. Well, sort of.

    He’s dyslexic, and he knows that this big public display of news paper reading, is theatre.

    I once saw a woman in an outdoor cafe drawing in a sketchbook. She quickly spotted me pretending not to look and, to my surprise, proudly held up her work for my perusal. That's when the real surprise kicked in. She'd produced a head and shoulders portrait of a German shepherd in finely rendered blue ball point. Instead of drawing from life she was working from memory.

    I must have paid her work a suitable compliment, because she went on to flip through her sketchbook to reveal a whole bunch of earlier variations on the same picture. "I think they're the only breed that really look like dogs, don't you?" she said, smiling proudly.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4585 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Joe Wylie,

    There’s an app for that. Well, sort of.

    That’s one of the problems with the iPhone. There’s no meaningful lasers to burn things with. It's all just 'virtual reality' smokes and mirrors.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 4016 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Something biblical, that's not loading from its URL. Must be some particals got bounced out of the network.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 4016 posts Report Reply

  • simon g, in reply to simon g,

    The poison is posted (some of it vile), and then deleted (moderation seems to be random, and certainly late). And then suddenly – the piece is no longer open for comments at all (not just closed, the comments simply disappear, as if they were never there).

    Stuff have done it again, with the Israel Folau story. Harvest the homophobes for a couple of hours, then suddenly - delete all.

    As I said before, this is not just the usual online platform for nastiness, justified in the name of free speech. The speech simply disappears - but only after the damage has been done. It can't be rebutted, it was "never there". Except, it was.

    Horrible, irresponsible, and Stuff should bloody well be explaining why they do it.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1256 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Does anyone know when The Press is going tabloid format/size?
    All I can find is a vague 'mid 2018'.

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7743 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to simon g,

    Stuff should bloody well be explaining why they do it.

    Kinda like this 'balanced piece' from Tracy Watkins:
    Govt needs to bridge Simon's well-built cross - (or something like that):
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/102898022/govt-needs-to-cross-simons-wellbuilt-bridge
    ...they closed comments on this after 3 hours and a mere 35 comments - why bother?

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7743 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Live from me reading the news print at Midnight espresso: ” Trump’s Twitter feed has more followers than American newspapers have subscribers in total."

    There’s good reasons for having real news papers, the news literally jumps up of the pages in 3D.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 4016 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    Leading your Herald "news": Kiwis divided!

    Tomorrow: Herald reports on the NZ Lunar Science Conference: a noisy guy in a funny hat said the moon was made of cheese, and everyone else pointed out that it's not. So, Kiwis divided, again!

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1256 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to simon g,

    Kiwis divided

    Heather du Plessis Allan and Deborah Hill Cone, that renowned tag team of the 'look at me, look at me' squad, hardly constitute a serious critique of anything.
    Both have made interesting choices in their partners as well, but I'm sure they wouldn't want that looked at too closely - or publicly or commented on either...
    Bereft of actual relevant and real social commentary opportunities they have resorted to barrel-bottom scraping for cheap attention seeking. SAD!

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7743 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    The Press changes to the new paper-saving format on Monday April 30.

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7743 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    The Herald it seems likes to employ ‘writers’ who don’t know standard English – I note Ms Hill Cone quotes verbatim from Kim Knight’s ’Canvas’ piece on Clarke Gayford, without bothering to correct the obvious mistake (nor did any ‘subs’ in the chain):

    "…He grew up tying his own lures, making his own sinkers, pouring over books and committing the Maori and Latin names for fish to memory…"

    I strongly doubt he was ‘wetting’ (sic) his appetite for knowledge, but was merely ‘poring’ over his books…

    For some reason Ms Hill Cone (whose first name is Deborah – ‘Bee woman’ in Hebrew) also takes umbrage at Mr Gayford’s terminal vowel use in his christian name – ‘Clarke’ (means ‘man of learning') – a name that has been in use since the mid 1700s or thereabouts – and had a popularity burst in the 1950s and ’60s – it was a less popular choice in 1977 but still in common use…
    What an odd thing to rail against!?
    Clutching at ’strawman’ arguments perhaps?

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7743 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    A nice piece by Philip Matthews looking back on past Press editorial stances:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/102782748/broadsheets-and-blunders-in-defence-of-getting-it-wrong

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7743 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    Latest from the crazy world of Stuff comments:

    A story on the PM giving birth was opened up for comments, and the bitter and twisted duly turned up. Controversial socialist statements like "Wishing mother and baby all the best" would get downvoted by the voices of Common Sense. The birth was a distraction, sheeple!

    Stuff then started deleting the abusive comments faster than the trolls could type. If only they could have predicted this by ... I don't know, reading Stuff comments occasionally?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1256 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to simon g,

    Stuff then started deleting the abusive comments faster than the trolls could type.

    "Stuff then started emptying the bucket faster than the hard-working kiwis could vomit into it"?

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4585 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    One of the craziest media takes (not least on dear old Stuff comments) re- the PM's baby is that we've endured "saturation coverage", "being rammed down our throats", etc. Here's a reality check:

    Precisely zero minutes have been added to the 6 pm news bulletins, or any other prime time programming on the main TV channels. The story has led the bulletins, but has still taken up less time than sport in those same bulletins. Regular programming has been almost untouched. No marathon "specials" have been broadcast. It's a news story (obviously), and that is all.

    Also reality :

    About a month ago those same channels devoted more than six HOURS of Saturday prime time to a wedding. The groom is the 6th in line to be New Zealand's head of state.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1256 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to simon g,

    re- the PM's baby

    RNZ's Mediawatch (9m)

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19538 posts Report Reply

  • John Farrell,

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    Weirdness from The Herald.

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 468 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

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    The Herald is also good with names of well known politicians...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7743 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

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    Another innovation from The Herald
    Text under headlines and photos doesn't have to relate to the story indicated.

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7743 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Not so fast. The first story could well continue: 'Yet his spitting on the waiter may not bring universal acclaim.'

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19538 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1256 posts Report Reply

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