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  • Alfie,

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    This is on Stuff’s front page at the moment.

    I guess it could be worse. They might have said "right-of". Whatever became of the concept of taking pride in your work?

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1434 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Alfie,

    Whatever became of the concept of taking pride in your work?

    Heck they even opened comments on an ongoing court trial story - that's just asking for trouble - I'd have thought cooler heads would have considered that sub judice - or does that only apply to Jury hearings?
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/82822474/sir-ngatata-loves-lawyer-says-agreement-had-no-financial-impact-against-tenths-trust

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7939 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    …they even opened comments on an ongoing court trial story

    They’ve taken the comments off that story now – perhaps the comment I sent questioning their wisdom gave them pause for thought?

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7939 posts Report Reply

  • Brent Jackson,

    I notice the caption under the Herald photo of a person leaping off the bonnet of a car, has changed from "A teenaged driver leaps from the roof of his drowned car" to "A passenger returns from a crashed vehicle after retrieving belongings through its sunroof".

    I guess they eventually got around to reading the photographer's copy, rather than just making shit up.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 615 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Brent Jackson,

    rather than just making shit up

    the poor dears battle with language usage as well
    I noticed this line

    His body lay on the road for several hours as police underwent investigations.

    in this Rio story
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/olympics/82849884/rio-olympics-2016-russian-diplomat-tackles-kills-robber-near-olympic-park
    They definitely needed an 'undertook' type of undertaking or a 'carried out' there...
    ..I'm sure it was unpleasant for the police - but that's their job isn't it?

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7939 posts Report Reply

  • linger, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    The most charitable interpretation is that somebody decided it'd be premature involving any undertakers before the police investigation was complete :-/

    Or are they saying the police were in some way responsible for the body being there? (NB there are at least two senses in which that last sentence can be read without breaking any libel laws.)

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1923 posts Report Reply

  • John Farrell,

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    New English, from The Herald.

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 496 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to John Farrell,

    New English

    you’re fired!
    They’re obviously getting a better ‘calibre’ of journalist covering the Olympics, as Stuff reports:

    A bullet was at a press conference room at the equestrian centre landing inside the building, a New Zealand Olympic spokesperson said, and the shot was fired about the same time an explosion was heard near an Olympic cycling venue

    from:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/olympics/81912309/rio-olympics-while-you-were-sleeping..
    Unless it s code for ‘pinhead’?

    Meanwhile rookie mistakes can still be found in their political opinion pieces:

    Under the privileges of Parliament, they have certain powers to illicit answers from Ministers that cannot be dodged without consequences.

    see;
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/82853889/stacey-kirk-parties-to-war-over-chinese-trade-can-the-opposition-glance-a-blow
    it certainly elicited a groan from me…
    …or perhaps they were trying to make a broader point about National ministers’ ‘illicit answers’ – at times it does seem like they are forbidden to deal with the truth.

    PS: this story drew to a close with an unfortunate and clumsy boxing or shooting analogy, which also contained some, er. contautology* of English?

    It’s what the Government knew and when – of which many Ministers and officials are still contortioning around – that will produce the body shot.

    *okay, okay I made that word up …

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7939 posts Report Reply

  • John Farrell,

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    Oh dear.....

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 496 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to John Farrell,

    ...this grandchildren's lives.

    Because shapeshifting reptilians have multiple lives, like cats? For those who follow the signs, the truth occasionally oozes through.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4592 posts Report Reply

  • John Farrell,

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    Again!

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 496 posts Report Reply

  • Rosemary McDonald,

    John Oliver does Journalism...


    #investifarted
    #funnelledjournalism

    Waikato, or on the road • Since Apr 2014 • 1344 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Rosemary McDonald,

    Du jour nailist!

    John Oliver does Journalism…

    I guess we already have HONC and STONC!*

    *Herald On-line News Content and Stuff On-line News Content
    though STUFF may actually be Social Transmission of Unremittingly Fluffy Facts

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7939 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    a tale of two stories – more a paste rather than a reliable source!!
    Both The Herald and Stuff are running the same story about ‘azodicarbonamide’ with the same headline:
    The yoga-mat chemical’s quiet fast-food exit
    - only Stuff acknowledges a primary source – it says its from the Washington Post – but a search there reveals no such story!
    Further searching reveals Bloomberg– to be the original source – and the author Deena Shanker has worked for them since April this year.

    Virtually all other web uses of this fresh story either credits or links to Bloomberg why would Stuff just drop a Washington Post credit in there?*
    (actually some other news aggregators already link to the Stuff story so that just spreads the confusion!)

    Is Bloomberg paid for reuse?

    Personally I think any ‘credit’ for source on any stories picked up should be a weblink to source which a) verifies and b) possibly adds more detail that may have been omitted – but hat’s just me I guess…


    *Perhaps Stuff are confusing the source for this ‘Food Babe’ story from last year at The Washington Post ?
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2015/04/22/the-food-babe-says-shes-won-a-victory-over-kraft-the-science-babe-says-shes-ruining-mac-and-cheese/?tid=a_inl

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7939 posts Report Reply

  • Rosemary McDonald,

    The Daily Blog has an interesting article about international story sharing...

    http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2016/08/08/a-cough-cough-very-unique-view-of-the-saudi-sheep-bribe/

    The publication said the officials at Waituhi Kuratau Trust (WKT), specializing in dairy and meat production, had some 20 years breeding large numbers of Friesian sheep which were designed to help them breed quickly, resulting in producing more than 600 heads, but the experience proved these sheep cannot live in the atmosphere of New Zealand.

    I'm trying to picture a 600 headed sheep....

    Waikato, or on the road • Since Apr 2014 • 1344 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    fibre rope tricks...
    aah, the other shoe drops...
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/82907984/fairfax-to-enter-the-broadband-market-with-stuff-fibre
    interesting that they turned comments off after an hour!

    Also worth noting that an early NZ broadband competitor, Woosh, ceased existing last month.

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7939 posts Report Reply

  • linger, in reply to Rosemary McDonald,

    What the Farm?

    producing more than 600 heads, but the experience proved these sheep cannot live in the atmosphere of New Zealand.

    I’m trying to picture a 600 headed sheep….

    …dangling from a hot-air balloon, with tragic consequences!?

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1923 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    After recent news about the Terry Teo remake, another NZ drama goes to a tv broadcaster's on-demand digital platform rather than on-air.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19705 posts Report Reply

  • Rosemary McDonald,

    If I say very, very loudly that I will boycott any and every product whose advertisement is forced upon me via that awful auto play videovader thing that both stuffed and the other one insert obnoxiously into any article that can charitably called readable....do you think they'll stop it?

    Extremely unsettling when they invade a Radio New Zealand video piece...wtf?

    Waikato, or on the road • Since Apr 2014 • 1344 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

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    Just another Stuff Up.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1434 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

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    Herald photo editor front page fail.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1434 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

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    "Possessive... is that like a noun or something? Best to play safe and bung in an apostrophe and an S anyway, eh!"

    Incidentally, that Herald story covers Sky's injunction to stop Fairfax using Olympic footage under existing fair use provisions. Sky lost.

    However the judge banned Stuff's auto-playing of clips which effectively produced a continuous Olympics highlights reel. Fair call.

    He failed to mention that Stuff's auto-playlists, especially the ones with zero relevance to the story you're reading, are one of the most annoying things about the site and should be permanently banned on the grounds of bad taste alone.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1434 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    TVNZ honcho is (too?) relaxed about digital disruption. Article also discusses public funding of investigative journalism.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19705 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

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    "Who listening"
    Another classic Stuff-up – their featured homepage story at the moment.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1434 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Alfie,

    Possessive

    Possession = a 'pos' ess is on is my aide–mémoire ....

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7939 posts Report Reply

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