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  • John Farrell,

    The Herald must have someone reading here - it's been corrected.

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 496 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    John Drinnan has an interesting story in the Herald looking at the Fairfax decision to run a monthly eight-page China Watch “PR/propaganda sheet”.

    Fairfax claim that being paid to run PR for the Chinese government won’t compromise their editorial status in any way. Drinnan begs to differ.

    But in my opinion, the willingness to run politicised content overwhelms that distinction. Who is next – North Korea?

    The good news is that China Watch features so much heavy handed PR and boosterism, only a moron in a hurry would confuse it for editorial.

    The same liftout will also appear in the Sydney Morning Herald, the Age, the Australian Financial Review, the London Telegraph and the Washington Post. Last month ABC’s Media Watch discusses the ethics involved in taking money to spread propaganda. They also look at how the Chinese government “trains” journalists and its influence on Chinese language papers abroad. It’s worth a watch.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1427 posts Report Reply

  • izogi, in reply to Alfie,

    I've not yet had a chance to see ABC's coverage, but Radio NZ's MediaWatch also covered the Chinese propaganda lift-out thing a few weeks ago. http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/201802964/media-deals-to-boost-china's-voice

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 1139 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Semmens,

    Anyone who saw the anti-Dalai Lama, pro-Beijing rally in Aotea Square several back has already realised that unchecked Chinese immigration poses a considerable security risk to New Zealand. The fact is our government needs to b

    Sevilla, Espana • Since Nov 2006 • 2214 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Semmens,

    Anyone who saw the anti-Dalai Lama, pro-Beijing rally in Aotea Square several years back would have realised then that unchecked Chinese immigration poses a considerable security risk to New Zealand. The fact is our government needs to be using it’s state media assets to counter Chinese government propaganda and ensure our new migrants become loyal citizens, rather than potential inmates of interment camps. But they won’t, because the invisible hand is stupid like that.

    I bet the GCSB and SIS don't even have Chinese speakers, but then you don't need to speak Chinese to spy on Greenpeace and Kim Dotcom.

    Sevilla, Espana • Since Nov 2006 • 2214 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie,

    Back in 2008 the Herald ran an editorial that could have come directly from the Beijing politburo. How dare those horrid Falun Gong/Falun Dafa-ites presume to insert themselves into our precious Santa parades!

    Three years later their marching bands - an acquired taste, I'll admit - were a regular feature in most main centre Santa-fests. Here they are in Chch's first post-quakes event in 2011. Last year they'd spread to the Invercargill parade, where no-one seemed to have a problem with their taking part .

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4592 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7939 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

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    The NZ Herald today scores an own goal by misspelling the name of a man they write about as being overlooked before his death!

    Recycling death: The lonely life of Daniel Binder
    He walked the streets and slept where he could shelter. Public spaces were his home and lots of people looked at him - but few actually saw him. Cherie Howie traces the last journey of Daniel Bindner, the man who tragically died in a recycling bin.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11675921

    You'd think subs would take the time to double check on sensitive stories...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7939 posts Report Reply

  • John Farrell,

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    Subbing by Aussies.

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 496 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to John Farrell,

    Subbing by Aussies.

    That got me wondering if Auckland Airport's Jean Batten Food Court still features a mural of her plucky little plane towing a banner reading "Jean Batten, the Garbo of the Skies." Visiting Australians found it most intriguing.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4592 posts Report Reply

  • John Farrell,

    Anyone else think that RNZs new website looks like the Spinoff?

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 496 posts Report Reply

  • John Farrell,

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    Uh...shouldn't that be median?

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 496 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to John Farrell,

    The sixth censor...

    shouldn’t that be median?

    Medium - IT dead people?
    I taught I tore a puddy tat, too...
    :- )

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7939 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    A Leader amongst Leaders
    I have to say there are glimmerings of hope, The Dominion Post came up with a great editorial today:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/82300223/editorial-todd-mcclays-remarkable-loss-of-memory-about-a-threatened-trade-war

    As McClay has since changed his story, this leaves only a few unpalatable possibilities.
    Either he did inform Key of the threat, and the Prime Minister had suffered a similarly regrettable loss of memory. Or he didn’t tell him, in which case he was plainly guilty of dereliction of duty.
    Any prime minister who discovered that his trade minister had failed to warn him about such a vital matter would surely want to sack him. This John Key shows no signs of doing.

    Todd McClay should be ashamed of himself.

    It was also in the print edition of The Press but hasn’t shown up on their masthead site’s opinion offerings nor on the main Stuff site – just The Dominion Post’s masthead site… – perhaps they don’t want that kind of thinking escaping the capital… but good on them for at least speaking truth to power.

    It is interesting that the main Stuff site has no ‘Politics’ or ‘Opinion/Comment’ subsection – when it is supposed to be the Fairfax central aggregator…

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7939 posts Report Reply

  • Brent Jackson,

    How can a so-called newspaper get its “facts” so blatantly wrong :

    BP and Caltex continue to offer supermarket docket discounts through Progressive Enterprises,…

    It’s Z and Gull at the moment, but Z only until the end of the month, which, bizarrely, is what the rest of the article is about.

    Update: Oh okay. Stuff explains it better :

    However, Countdown customers with fuel dockets issued after that date will still be able to redeem them at BP and Caltex, through a partnership with AA's Smartfuel programme.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 615 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    Fairfax has written down the value of its NZ assets by NZ$100m. I have no idea what that means in he real world. An accounting trick pre-merger? A tax loss? Perhaps an economist could advise?

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1427 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Stowell,

    I didn't buy a copy (part of the problem) but was stunned to see the front page of the Chch Press this morning. Not a story in sight. Above the Press banner, a few 'on page three' items. Otherwise the *entire* front page was a big colour ad for Z energy.
    Is this a thing nowadays? Do major daily newspapers regularly sell their whole front page?
    It felt like watching "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold" -

    Whakaraupo • Since Nov 2006 • 2105 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Stowell, in reply to Brent Jackson,

    It’s Z and Gull at the moment, but Z only until the end of the month, which, bizarrely, is what the rest of the article is about.

    Who cares about the shoddy reporting, when you can buy the front page! Maybe this explains my wailing above: Stuff stuffed up and gave Z a big freebie?
    I'm tempted to ring the Press and ask what a front page costs these days.

    Whakaraupo • Since Nov 2006 • 2105 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Stowell,

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    Picture :)

    Whakaraupo • Since Nov 2006 • 2105 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie, in reply to Rob Stowell,

    I’m tempted to ring the Press and ask what a front page costs these days.

    Their remaining credibility?

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1427 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Stowell, in reply to Alfie,

    Their remaining credibility?

    Even I could afford that :)

    Whakaraupo • Since Nov 2006 • 2105 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    I think our Press just ended today, too -
    My partner used to get one as part of her job but having taken redundancy some months ago and retiring, the paper kept on coming - someone phoned from The Press a week ago but our portable phone battery died mid conversation, no one phoned back and today August 1st no paper...
    So they didn't even give us a chance to transition. Wham! Cold Turkey!
    But on reflection I don't think we'll be giving them money for something they don't even care about themselves any more...

    Ps Rob Stowell email me, I have a photocopy of something for you if you want it

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7939 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Just as I thought would happen, Martin van Beynen got to write The Press editorial on the David Bain 'pay out' - at least he had the good grace to put his name to his ongoing relitigation of this case and demands that Bain prove his own innocence.
    Ending with the chilling dismissal of responsibility on the part of the 'justice system' and a final dig into the ribs of van Beynen's hobby horse!

    If Bain is innocent that is extremely unfortunate. But if he is guilty, he has this week been rewarded for a heinous crime.

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7939 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    ...at least he had the good grace to put his name to his ongoing relitigation of this case...

    That's about the best you can say about van Beynen's effort.

    I guess I'm biased. I worked on lots of news and current affairs stories about the Bain case, firstly for TVNZ then for TV3. For years it's been an ongoing subject of discussion amongst those journalists and broadcasters who covered the case closely, and almost without exception they believe Bain is innocent.

    I've been privvy to interviews and other information which never made it into the public arena and which convinced me that David Bain was wrongfully convicted. I'll tread very carefully here, but it's a matter of record that the day before the murders, David's sister Laniet had told her pimp Dean Cottle that she planned to confess to her family that evening about her prostitution. That posed a serious threat to the people Cottle worked for... powerful people within the Dunedin brothel scene, people with reputations to protect.

    It's also a matter of record that Cottle was dispatched offshore, didn't show at the trial and his evidence was never heard by the jury.

    While it would be unwise to elaborate further, keep in mind that the cop in charge of the investigation, Milton Weir, subsequently lost a defamation case he took against Joe Karam.

    It speaks to his credibility that Martin van Beynen managed to write an editorial on this subject without once mentioning Judith Collins' disgraceful role in rejecting the Binnie report because it didn't coincide with her prejudice.

    Yes, someone got away with multiple murders.

    It wasn't David Bain.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1427 posts Report Reply

  • izogi,

    On the comment threads (or not), I see that Radio NZ's Mediawatch produced a decent 17 minute segment a couple of weeks back, interviewing Megan Whelan of Radio NZ about why they were closed.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 1139 posts Report Reply

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