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Speaker: Are there opportunities within the Government’s childhood obesity plan?

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  • Sacha, in reply to Jackie Clark,

    I eat quite a lot of McDonalds

    My objection to that is mainly value-for-money.
    If only there were drive-through chippies. Or kebabs, etc.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19688 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Katharine Moody,

    That’s lovely. The author obviously loves sardines. I can’t imagine anything so poetic written about hot chips served in greasy paper.

    There are loads of poems about chips. And even more about fish and chips.

    I can't eat sardines because they are full of purines and I am prone to gout.

    Also Katharine, give it a rest, eh?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22756 posts Report Reply

  • James Butler, in reply to Sacha,

    Excess potassium can build up between sessions iirc. When I was growing up, those vegetables Dad could eat needed to be soaked and boiled separately to leach out the potassium (and vitamins, flavour etc.), except on actual dialysis nights when he could have more-or-less anything. Potatoes! Tomatoes! Bananas! A cornucopia of delights!

    Auckland • Since Jan 2009 • 856 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Sacha,

    I eat quite a lot of McDonalds

    My objection to that is mainly value-for-money.
    If only there were drive-through chippies. Or kebabs, etc.

    Tend to agree. McDonald's would be an okay "sometimes" food if it weren't such terrible value for money. Frankly, I've been off it since I went for my once-every-few-months fillet o' fish from the Queen St McD's and it was just bloody awful.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22756 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    I actually like sardines, and they are cheap as chips.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4327 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to James Butler,

    crikey, friend needs to safeguard kidneys

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19688 posts Report Reply

  • Katharine Moody, in reply to Jackie Clark,

    Then let’s stick to that, shall we?
    Sardines are foul.
    I eat quite a lot of McDonalds.

    Okay. Let me then appeal to you on behalf of your children. What's important is getting them to like sardines from an early age, and this relies on you eating them too.

    So you like McDonalds - then I'm guessing you like tomato sauce? Good. Start with the sardines in tomato sauce. And I'm also guessing if you like McDonalds, you like cheese? Good. Spread your sardines in tomato sauce on toast and then grate a bit of cheese on top and grill it in the oven. Eat them this first time, by yourself - in secret. Was it tolerable? Maybe it was even good? If still no, try tuna fish. The important thing is finding one thing in that food group that becomes a part of your weekly routine.

    On the McDonalds thing - what's your favourite meal? Whatever it is, try making it at home. If a burger, add grated carrot and/or beetroot to it. If McNuggets, buy Coat 'n Cook and bake small bits of coated chicken thighs/breast, as an alternate to frying. Is this home cooked alternate better? Worse?

    Just not the same?

    Why not? Is it the taste of the food, or the atmosphere of the place? Or the convenience? Or just the habit/familiarity? Once you understand better why you eat at McDonalds - you might find eating there far less frequently brings you more satisfaction in whatever brings you there in the first place. For example, if its the playground for the kids - the novelty of it will make it just that much better if they haven't been there recently.

    In the long run, McDonalds is far more expensive than eating at home. That might be important to you, that might not. McDonalds is not healthy if eaten regularly. There's a good documentary, (I think it's called) Supersize Me. Watch it. Read up on the ingredients in McDonalds food - not what McDonalds tells you, but other, independent analyses.

    McDonalds is a tax dodger;
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/world/68694985/How-McDonalds-dodged-half-a-billion-dollars-in-Australian-tax

    McDonalds was a zero-hour contract hold out, until threatened with strike action;
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/272513/deal-to-end-mcdonald's-zero-hour-contracts

    McDonalds is one of NZs largest minimum wage employers;
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/5275901/15-an-hour-too-rich-for-Maccas

    And so on. Is that what you were looking for?

    Wellington • Since Sep 2014 • 798 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Sacha,

    heck – where? #cheap

    Out here in da hood, where us poor folk live :-). I didn't actually weigh the chips to be sure the serving was 400g, but it wouldn't have been far off - it was about the size of 2 cups. The whole package would have been about a liter, densely packed, maybe 800g of food.

    Since I've been calorie counting (well actually kJ counting), I've come to realize that things like hot chips contain ridiculous amounts of energy. Not much else, but they're definitely energy dense. It's by no means a food that's a good idea to eat daily, even if you do burn a lot of energy in your job - exercise demands a lot more protein or you get muscle wastage. 1000 calories is like an hour and a half of cycling to burn off. Just in the chips - which is only the padding in a fish-and-chips meal.

    Of course I'm not suggesting it should be eaten every day. That's a bad idea and a good recipe for obesity, and/or other serious health issues - I'll give Katherine that. Where I differ is not in thinking it's a bad idea as a primary food source, but in what to do about that. Rising obesity is a problem. I don't think we really understand why at a deep level - obviously at a superficial level we understand it perfectly well - people eat more than they burn. But why do they? Why is this changing? What's different? What public measures have been effective in kerbing obesity around the world? At what cost? Is that cost acceptable to us, here?

    To me, it's an extraordinarily wrongheaded idea that increasing the cost of unhealthy foods will have much effect, to the point of outweighing the damage that it could do. Of the two social ills we could have, obesity or malnutrition, I think I would prefer a society that had obesity, frankly.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10641 posts Report Reply

  • Jackie Clark, in reply to Katharine Moody,

    I eat McDonalds because I choose to.
    My diet is nobody else's business,
    I'm fat.
    I also make the lives of a lot of people bearable, and dare I say it, better.
    So no, I don't need your advice.
    Thanks for your concern.

    Mt Eden, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3136 posts Report Reply

  • Danielle, in reply to Katharine Moody,

    Let me then appeal to you on behalf of your children.

    She doesn't have any children, so I don't think that's going to work. :D

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3828 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Katharine Moody,

    Okay. Let me then appeal to you on behalf of your children.

    Please, no more assumptions about who you are talking with. Russell, you may want to ponder this one.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19688 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Katharine Moody,

    There’s a good documentary, (I think it’s called) Supersize Me. Watch it.

    It's a doco about what happens if you eat so much McDonalds every day, for every meal, that you feel sick, but you force it down anyway, because you want to deliberately damage your health. I'm pretty sure that McDonalds never claimed that doing that would be a good idea. It would also happen if you ate only sardines for every meal and forced it down until you were on the verge of actually vomiting, the way that guy did. I mean we're talking about an upsized McDonalds combo worth of sardines 3 times a day. That's going to be something like 10 cans per sitting. I think you'd probably last longer on the McDonalds.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10641 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to BenWilson,

    (was actually asking about outlet, at that price)

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19688 posts Report Reply

  • Lilith __, in reply to Katharine Moody,

    Let me then appeal to you on behalf of your children.

    No, I won't let you. Where the fuck do you get off?

    Dunedin • Since Jul 2010 • 3887 posts Report Reply

  • Danielle, in reply to Lilith __,

    I'm not sure where her stop is, but I sure wish we'd get there soon.

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3828 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Katharine Moody,

    how do your friends react when you dole out advice like this?

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19688 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Lilith __,

    Where the fuck do you get off?

    that as well

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19688 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to BenWilson,

    McSardine

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19688 posts Report Reply

  • Katharine Moody, in reply to Jackie Clark,

    Sorry, I actually thought you put the proposition seriously - and were looking for a roll play type response on how I would approach the question if put to me by someone who wanted to change their diet for the better.

    Wellington • Since Sep 2014 • 798 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Katharine Moody,

    someone who wanted to change their diet for the better

    that might be your problem.

    stop.
    looking.
    at.
    the.
    individual.
    person.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19688 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    This is a bit silly. Katharine's going to take a rest now.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22756 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Russell Brown,

    thank you

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19688 posts Report Reply

  • JacksonP, in reply to Katharine Moody,

    Okay. Let me then appeal to you on behalf of your children. What’s important is getting them to like sardines from an early age, and this relies on you eating them too.

    Are you just taking the piss now? Let the sardines go! Also, you have offended a large portion of people on here by your presumptions. You could perhaps reflect on that and stop.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2011 • 2448 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    I eat McDonalds because I choose to.
    My diet is nobody else’s business,
    I’m fat.

    You just made it somebody else's business, when you said this:

    Then let’s stick to that, shall we?
    Sardines are foul.
    I eat quite a lot of McDonalds.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4327 posts Report Reply

  • B Jones,

    I think we cod all stand to clam down a bit, seeing as things are getting a bit crabby round here. Russell's had his say, and eel need to bring out the Salmon of Correction if this goes on too long. Musselling in won't solve anything.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 976 posts Report Reply

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