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Speaker: An Open Letter To David Cunliffe

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  • steven crawford, in reply to mark taslov,

    Of course, he was referring to the factional discord, orchestrated and exploited by the destructively ambitious Cunliffe.

    I was trying to respond to that sentence , but my iPad froze up.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4411 posts Report Reply

  • andin,

    In terms of my suggestion, feeling connected to the Beehive, to the politicians as actual eating and shitting people just like us, and being empowered by that, influenced by the effort they could make to connect with us, debate us, listen to us, learn from us and adapt to us: The forgotten 43%.

    Oh you mean the fiction we build around ourselves...Not the connection I was referring too. Just the limited amount of mass in the universe is continually being reused. To quote Joni Mitchell "We are Stardust" But knock yourself out... imagine away. How about reading some
    Carl Sagan

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1890 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to anna g,

    All your other hand-wringing and blame and conspiracy theories and bickering all simply serves to emphasise Mr Dann’s points and gives substantial momentum to the claim that the wonderful John Key deserves at least four terms.

    So you popped in with your head stuck firmly in the sand (and somewhere else I could suggest but wont lower myself to your level). Yes some didn't want Cunliffe last time nor this but the situation now is, he has the right to do what he has done 'cos y'know that's Labour's way of choosing their leader and guess what? ,he won last time. What ever you think doesn't mean diddly squat so head back to the lying,corrupt poisoned "fool aid" that awaits you on Planet Teamkey. Your insults are pitiful. We are okay having our discussions in the open.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • John Farrell, in reply to anna g,

    I wonder which of the trademe messageboard national supporters you are?

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 496 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    I assume there's a good dose of sarcasm in Anna G's post. Nobody could write

    I embraced the coolness of Key

    with any serious intent. Sure, I realize half the country voted National, but although there are many plausible reasons why, "coolness" would not be on the list.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1330 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to anna g,

    Oh mi god, just got home.

    And welcome home, where have you been?, Planet Key?
    You will feel quite strange at first, you know, all this reality an' stuff but you will settle down, hive mind an' all that. You must be feeling quite smug though as everybody here, apart from us knowledgeable ones, has fallen for your masters propaganda and are blaming everything on Labour, Cunliffe especially.
    Meanwhile, sneaky John is getting it all ready, ready for the biggest sell off evar., the entire country, the TPPA but that's not all. That pesky RMA must go, all those "Mum and Dads" with their land banks champing at the bit to build more shitty little houses for the huddled masses, all those speculators will be feeling a bit more secure now that awful CGT has been confined to the dustbin of democracy. Now what else is Johnny boy been preparing for us while we are all so distracted by the Labour circus?
    Oh yes, the 90 day "fire at will" stuff, stretch that out to a year. All these things and more Anna, you must be feeling pretty cool right now you have your Mr Dann reeking havoc for your mates.
    Anyhoo, welcome home and if you need to , shall we say, unburden yourself, after being on a planet without toilets could you please do in in the Trade Me forum where it belongs because you do seem to be a trifle full of it.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to simon g,

    I realize half the country voted National,

    NO THEY DIDN"T..... more like 30% ish of registered voters.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • simon g, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    Are you Graeme Edgeler? :)

    For the purposes of debating the problem (and thus, solutions), we need to accept that (almost) half the country voted National.

    After all, 99% of the country didn't vote for John Key. But that kind of straw-clutching gives us high levels of irrelevant accuracy, and low levels of useful understanding.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1330 posts Report Reply

  • Kracklite,

    We are okay having our discussions in the open.

    Accompanied by more than one commentator saying "go away, you're not one of us."

    The Library of Babel • Since Nov 2007 • 982 posts Report Reply

  • william blake, in reply to simon g,

    Half the country? I make it one third, heaps of peeps didn't vote at all.

    Since Mar 2010 • 380 posts Report Reply

  • SocialMindedKiwiGuy,

    Shared leadership has been great for the greens. Bearing in mind all the failed mutineers and their post labour parties over the last thirty years, and that we're not likely to see another Norm Kirk any time soon, I'd prefer if Shearer and Ardern were to make a go of steering the Labour ship, together.

    West Auckland • Since Oct 2014 • 3 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to simon g,

    National loses one seat!

    we need to accept that (almost) half the country voted National.

    No longer
    - final vote count gives:
    - one more Green MP added
    - one fewer National MPs

    They can no longer govern alone – but can (and have ) made a gov’t as ‘dog walkers’ with the poodles – Seymour and Dunne, lapping up any affection sent their way…

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7943 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to simon g,

    The coagulation coalition?

    ...the coolness of Key

    isn't that supposed to stop bleeding noses?

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7943 posts Report Reply

  • andin,

    the wonderful John Key

    Oh I'll just always remember the Donkey!

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1890 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to andin,

    just always remember the Donkey

    ...it's a 'bray new world' we live in...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7943 posts Report Reply

  • SocialMindedKiwiGuy,

    Speaking of '25% parties', the Nats without Key are surely level pegging with Labour, and I can't imagine a substantial coalition deal falling to the RHS anytime soon... Most of Key's coterie have been stood down and reinstated over the last 6 years. Sans Key, this must entail a sizeable PR investment to transform Joyce or DP-Bennett in the eyes of the zombie majority (Key himself probably would be among the 'stood downs' if he didn't have fall guys...)

    West Auckland • Since Oct 2014 • 3 posts Report Reply

  • SocialMindedKiwiGuy,

    Consulted the Tarot. She foresaw Cunliffe going 'Aguirre' and floating his own raft. What a salvo that would be; more ivy rash for Don Key and Joyce to scratch and an instant 20-25% boost for Labour.

    West Auckland • Since Oct 2014 • 3 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to andin,

    Oh you mean the fiction we build around ourselves…Not the connection I was referring too.

    Absolutely Andin, I hoped the Yoda clip wouldn’t have been too opaque. I get fully method with these threads, and try not to break character, what’s the narrative here:

    Jamesy doesn’t like Davy, Davy’s gotta go, If Davy keeps his post, that’s Jamesy done, but Davy wants to keep his post and Jamesy’s getting shit about asking Davy to go, Jamesy’s providing scandalous updates, Marky expects Jamesy to be fronting up, it’s a narrow point, it’s a pandora’s box of dumb, Jamesy might be in hospital, Granty may have back-stabbed Davesy last time round, but it also coulda been Davy who back-stabbed Davesy, Marky suggests a new activity for Jamesy, Davy, Davesy, Granty and the rest of the meemee kids to wrap their laughing gear around, and these are the blokes gunning for stewardship over the kiwis, the only cultural reference point that comes to mind is;

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    They can no longer govern alone – but can (and have ) made a gov’t as ‘dog walkers’ with the poodles – Seymour and Dunne, lapping up any affection sent their way…

    Ian:

    The next time you feel like lecturing me (or anyone else) on manners, how about you stop calling Dunne and Seymour "poodles" and give the infantalizing diminutives a rest?

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    NO THEY DIDN"T….. more like 30% ish of registered voters.

    Yeah, and 82% of registered voters still didn’t vote for Labour, so I think that dead horse has well and truly been flogged into well-ground dog meat.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Hell yeah Ian, all these lectures all the time, it’s all we ever get from you, lecture this, lecture that, and on ‘manners’ of all things, my body aches from dodging all your lecture. Enough with these lectures Ian! And no more infantalising poodles!

    These are adults. (4/10/2014)

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • andin,

    infantalizing diminutives

    There's always scrounger

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1890 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Julia noted...
    i d by name
    i d by nature
    that's me...

    I was most taken with the 'Poodle' reference when Linda Clark
    unleashed it on election night - I'm guessing she was referring to British terminology which very adultly has it as:

    Poodle: a person or organization considered to be servile or obsequious : eg: the council is being made a poodle of central government.

    Though "Pampered Menials' has a 'Pavlovian' ring of to it...

    </The lectern is now free...>

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7943 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Kracklite,

    Accompanied by more than one commentator saying “go away, you’re not one of us.”

    My comment is because she was being smug and rude. In good faith (we all have no problem with Ranapiaismania) she would be welcome. To denigrate us for being involved is insulting so I'll give back as good as is served Kracklite. I can be a bitch and do put it to use when provoked.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    how about you stop calling Dunne and Seymour “poodles”

    Oh pileeze. If not poodles, lapdogs. Oh look over there ----> Flavell just became flavour of the month. So. 1,2,3,4 Parties. Ain't no monster. Only got 4 heads. Whatevs. :)

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

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