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  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to linger,

    Nunsoblind….

    %) already does exist.

    Noooooooooo……..
    and I looked and linked, too!
    such a squitty % they use…
    Free Specsavers ad anyone?

    I'd better cancel those frivolous purchases, and get back to the situations vacant…

    As you were…

    Sigh…

    </dreamsofempire>

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7953 posts Report

  • Hebe,

    Foot note for David: Beloved says Brufen is the top-of-the-tree anti-inflammatory.

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2899 posts Report

  • David Haywood, in reply to Mary Hutching,

    I'm glad I read this piece. Not only was it entertaining but I have found an explanation for the odd heel pain I've been experiencing over the last few weeks. Thanks everyone for all the tips.

    Glad to help, Mary -- at Public Address we aim to be a full service organization!

    Hebe wrote:

    Foot note for David: Beloved says Brufen is the top-of-the-tree anti-inflammatory.

    Thank you, Hebe -- will certainly get some...

    Have been enjoying this comment thread (particularly Dalziel's entrepreneurial attempts) as I lie in bed with my foot elevated.

    Walking again today -- a bit painful but no longer agony.

    New hypothesis: I am rather allergic to milk and had accidentally been "dosed" an hour or so prior to foot problem. Turns out that the improvement of my foot has tracked the improvement of my other allergic symptoms. I'm wondering if the milk somehow induced a sort of body-wide inflammation, which made slight PF (that was hardly noticable) into agonizing affliction.

    Dunsandel • Since Nov 2006 • 1156 posts Report

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to David Haywood,

    ...the milk somehow induced a sort of body-wide inflammation

    Baptised in the font of terror?

    ...top-of-the-tree anti-inflammatory.

    especially if it is a Tea Tree!

    ...Dalziel’s entrepreneurial attempts

    you left out 'misguided' and 'overly optimistic'....

    ;- )

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7953 posts Report

  • Hebe, in reply to David Haywood,

    I’m wondering if the milk somehow induced a sort of body-wide inflammation, which made slight PF (that was hardly noticable) into agonizing affliction.

    Sounds awful but probable. I have been experimenting over the last few months with a few weeks of dairy-free, gluten-free, meat-free. It has been surprising to find that dairy-free has had the biggest effect on a range of symptoms. It was also the hardest: no cheese! I have gone back to my old reasonably healthy promiscuous diet and am reluctantly deciding my body don't like dairy (Sob. No cheese!).

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2899 posts Report

  • Kyle Matthews,

    I was out last night with some people who put forward the theory that gluten issues were sometimes caused by people thinking they have a gluten problem (when they don't), stopping eating gluten, and then the body adapting and then having problems when they start eating gluten again - creating coeliacs.

    I will have to do some searching later tonight to see if this is tosh or possibly real.

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  • Geoff Lealand, in reply to Hebe,

    ... and no butter? With those lovely new butter makers, such as Lewis Road?

    Screen & Media Studies, U… • Since Oct 2007 • 2562 posts Report

  • Hebe, in reply to Geoff Lealand,

    No butter. Milk became oat milk: that's easy to adapt to. Butter became hummus/ no-cheese pesto/nothing (tolerable). Yoghurt: small amounts but none is best. Cheese is a grief: blue/Parmesan/feta/melty brie/Monterey Jack: bugger.

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2899 posts Report

  • Lilith __, in reply to Hebe,

    No butter.

    Some dairy-intolerant people can have butter and cream, because it's low in lactose (it's basically just fat). But cheese, yeah. Difficult!

    Dunedin • Since Jul 2010 • 3895 posts Report

  • Bart Janssen, in reply to Kyle Matthews,

    see if this is tosh or possibly real

    Self diagnosis of food allergies (milk, gluten etc) is extremely unreliable. When studies have been done to determine if an actual medically defined allergy exists well over half and sometimes over two-thirds of self defined allergies are not actually allergic.

    That uses the medical definition of an allergy which is the generation of specific antibodies.

    So the question then becomes why do people feel better when they stop eating a food they are not allergic to? And they do feel better.

    The answer is not likely to be simple but one idea that has been gaining more support is that the population of bacteria in ones gut (the gut biome) changes in response to many things, especially of course to antibiotic treatments. The idea is that if your gut bacterial population is "wrong" then you might have problems digesting certain foods.

    The problem of course with this idea is nobody knows what a "right" or "wrong" gut bacterial population might be. The best guess at the moment is diversity is good so things like home gardening, owning a dog, not being anal about cleanliness all lead to diverse gut biomes and fewer food "allergies" and things like large doses of antibiotics (which may be needed to save your life) really mess the gut biome up.

    As for folks going gluten free and then developing celiacs disease, again a lot of self diagnosed celiacs aren't. But they do get upset tummies. So my guess is by going gluten free you change the gut biome to the point where eating gluten again causes distress. It may well be possible to readapt your gut biome to tolerate gluten (unlikely to be fun). But I doubt they actually develop celiacs, which is a very specific allergic reaction.

    None of the above is meant to deny the reality of people's symptoms. The distress is real, but the cause may be more complicated than a "simple allergy".

    And here's a journalist's story about some of the recent gut biome work.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4461 posts Report

  • Lilith __, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    a lot of self diagnosed celiacs aren’t. But they do get upset tummies.

    Isn't there a group of people who have antibodies to gluten but who aren't coeliacs?

    Dunedin • Since Jul 2010 • 3895 posts Report

  • Bart Janssen, in reply to Lilith __,

    Isn’t there a group of people who have antibodies to gluten but who aren’t coeliacs?

    Wouldn't surprise me but I don't know. It's worth noting that not all antibody positive results are allergies. Dredging up my well out of date immunology I think IgE is the key alergic response antibody so unless you have an IgE response you don't have an allergy.

    One of the reasons this stuff is messy is because until genome sequencing became relatively cheap we knew very little about the gut biome. Most of the bacteria in there can't be cultured. Also there was a certain level of arrogance about the human side of the relationship being the most important.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4461 posts Report

  • Hebe, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    That’s interesting Bart. I knw zero about all these things. My experiment was cutting out dairy, gluten and meat for three weeks at a time (sequentially not all at once) to see if I felt less tired and generally icky. I wouldn’t even go far as to claim intolerance to anything. More that I felt better when I ate no dairy: more energy, clearer skin, no snuffly nose.

    Lilith, as for butter: an annoyingly intrusive cholesterol reading has persuaded me not to eat it. Cheese: I’m trying not to but….

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2899 posts Report

  • Brent Jackson,

    I tried going dairy free, and it did lessen my rhinitis (runny nose). Then I had some allergy tests done and found I was allergic to dust mites. Mite-proof pillow cases and mattress protector, and avoidance of dust (or pre-emptive Telfast) made a world of difference. Now dairy, or the lack of it makes no difference. So I'm guessing the dairy only adversely affected me because I was already suffering from the dust mite dung.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 620 posts Report

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Sadé n Freud...

    I was already suffering from...

    ...dustmitedung

    Sorry to hear about your Dermatophagoides pteronyssinus ordure allergy, Brent.

    But run together, as it were, it makes a fabulous sounding word, one crying out to be attached to some obscure psychological condition...
    Less ennui and more Weltschmerz, perhaps?

    other suggestions?
    any one, any one...
    :- )

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7953 posts Report

  • Kyle Matthews, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    Cheers Bart, interesting. That somewhat matches what was said to me at the pub.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report

  • Carol Stewart, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Gotterdammerdung?

    Wellington • Since Jul 2008 • 830 posts Report

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