Legal Beagle by Graeme Edgeler

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Legal Beagle: The law to make it easier for airports to sell your stuff

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  • izogi,

    Nice summary, but you forgot to add the part about how you think this is a highly necessary Bill and that its robust debate is well worth the allocation of Parliament's limited resources.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 1139 posts Report Reply

  • Tristan,

    Oh ffs so it's not even a very good bill!?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 221 posts Report Reply

  • Graeme Edgeler, in reply to izogi,

    you forgot to add the part about how you think this is a highly necessary Bill and that its robust debate is well worth the allocation of Parliament’s limited resources

    It does meet the most important test for a piece of legislation:

    First, do no harm.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 3202 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Bidding, a due...
    The only result I can see is that the market might be flooded with cheaply auctioned-off Swiss Army knives* and Leatherman© tools and other heirloom knives, confiscated at embarkation? (or are those Airline responsibilities, too?)
    ...and possibly a Nuk Korako 'auction figure' toy!

    The Nats would do well to put the 'Baggage of the Left' behind them...

    *would a massive tide of these be called a 'Spring Victorinox'?

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7885 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    As has been pointed out elsewhere the main purpose of this bill is more likely part of a private member's ballot stuffing exercise designed to dilute the number of high profile opposition bills that have been drawn

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2605 posts Report Reply

  • izogi, in reply to Paul Campbell,

    Does the process actually require Nuk Korako to have even read the Bill with his name on the top? Or could the government's strategists simply have authored and stuffed it with his name on it, then given him a hasty 2 line summary when it was drawn?

    Based on his complete mis-representation of its contents and significance, he seems either completely incompetent or completely ignorant of his own Bill, or perhaps both.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 1139 posts Report Reply

  • Moz, in reply to Graeme Edgeler,

    It does meet the most important test for a piece of legislation: First, do no harm.

    No it doesn't. It has already caused harm just by being drawn, and causing the media and politicians to spend time talking about it. Everything starts with -100 points. To get to neutral, it has to have enough positive points to outweigh the time and money required to pass a bill.

    Sydney, West Island • Since Nov 2006 • 1193 posts Report Reply

  • izogi,

    I have another question: In practice, how much of Parliament's debating time is this Bill likely to use up before it's through the process and another Bill can be drawn? Assuming, at least, that it is dispatched as rapidly as possible through all its stages and one particular side of the house doesn't try to stall its progress...

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 1139 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews, in reply to Graeme Edgeler,

    It does meet the most important test for a piece of legislation:

    First, do no harm.

    This doesn't take into account the number of people that bashed their heads into something solid when reading about it.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report Reply

  • Graeme Edgeler, in reply to Moz,

    To get to neutral, it has to have enough positive points to outweigh the time and money required to pass a bill.

    Depends what the alternative is. There are a bunch of other much worse bills submitted to the ballot. Ranked from best possible new laws to worst possible new laws in that bunch, it's probably toward to middle :-)

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 3202 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    It seems odd that somebody would go to the trouble of embarking on a political career and then turn it into being a bit of a general joke – see also every NZ First MP apart from Peters. Wouldn’t you want to be thought of as notable for achieving something?

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • linger, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    embarking on a political career and then turn it into being a bit of a general joke

    Not that odd, cf. Jo(hn)Key The Clown Minister.

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1886 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Adams,

    what a bloody carry on

    Auckland • Since Mar 2013 • 6 posts Report Reply

  • izogi, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    It seems odd that somebody would go to the trouble of embarking on a political career and then turn it into being a bit of a general joke

    When candidate selection is largely controlled by a committee operated by the party elite (pdf: page 36 onwards), a cynic might see it as an opportunity to get a $156k/year salary and various entitlements for a few years, as well as an esteemed status of having been an MP, which is potentially useful for people who might already be loaded with cash.

    All that in exchange for sucking up to those Party elite, agreeing to ask patsy questions on demand, flying the Party flag, doing whatever else they're instructed to do, and generally being a placeholder to ensure that space won't be occupied by someone who could create unnecessary trouble by applying their own independent thought to issues while the real members of the caucus would rather get on with it.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 1139 posts Report Reply

  • Robyn Gallagher,

    After reading this, I want to give the question-asking Graeme a hug and tell the question-answering Graeme to be a bit kinder.

    Raglan • Since Nov 2006 • 1946 posts Report Reply

  • Ben Austin,

    Not that it that it really matters, but is there any evidence that anyone, authorities included, ever specifically sought out this amendment? Was there say the an open letter issued to the Minister following Annual Airport Authorities (Lost Property Auction Working Group) Conference? Or the MP in question, was he at least taken to the dinner by shadowy representatives of Big Lost Property Auction?

    London • Since Nov 2006 • 1019 posts Report Reply

  • izogi,

    Simon Bridges is on the record as saying that “a number of locals” talked to (Mr Korako) about the issue. http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/310799/mp-bagged-over-lost-luggage-bill

    As an elected Member of Parliament whose integrity is clearly assured by the position he holds, we’re obliged to take him at his word…….. that “a number of locals” cared so greatly about the obvious unfair inefficiencies being imposed, by this specific detail of existing law, on their respective nearby airport authorities.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 1139 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Korako stood undaunted in the face of Labour's derision. He pulled out Maori proverbs, noting his bill was "he iti, he pounamu" - [very small, but quality].
    He spoke about a victim of lost luggage. That victim was Labour MP Clayton Cosgrove who lost his luggage on a ministerial trip to Canada in 2010.
    Of course, the real victim there was the taxpayer who had to fork out $1569 for a replacement suit, $56 for a tie and $61 for a shirt and socks so Cosgrove didn't go to his meetings dressed in airline business-class pyjamas.
    Korako insisted Cosgrove may well have recovered his original suit if only there had been a better means of drawing attention to the lost and found bin

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11696003

    Korako's example seems ill-thought out. Surely Cosgrove's luggage would have been the Airline's problem not the Airport's - and did he not take out travel insurance?

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7885 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Korako's example seems ill-thought out.

    Claire Trevett's apparent fuzziness with detail can't be helping. For example, how did Cosgrove manage a "ministerial trip" in 2010 when he'd been an opposition MP since 2008?

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4591 posts Report Reply

  • william blake,

    Someone told me they thought I was in denial about baggage, but that’s definitely not the case.

    Since Mar 2010 • 378 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Hooton,

    This is a reasonable summary of a fascinating piece of legislation that I have also carefully analysed for tomorrow's NBR. But, in this post-9/11 world, shouldn't all lost property at airports just be destroyed by the bomb squad?

    Auckland • Since Aug 2007 • 194 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Hooton, in reply to izogi,

    “a number of locals” talked to (Mr Korako) about the issue.

    Presumably people running airports on the Port Hills.

    Auckland • Since Aug 2007 • 194 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Hooton, in reply to izogi,

    Does the process actually require Nuk Korako to have even read the Bill with his name on the top?

    No. Even in this case, when it is only four clauses.

    Auckland • Since Aug 2007 • 194 posts Report Reply

  • Tim Darlington,

    Simon Bridges is on the record as saying that “a number of locals” talked to (Mr Korako) about the issue.

    Well, zero is a number...

    Since Nov 2006 • 56 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Stowell, in reply to Tim Darlington,

    Well, zero is a number…

    Is it? Or is it the absence of a number? The Rt Hon Bridges must clarify immediately!

    Whakaraupo • Since Nov 2006 • 2090 posts Report Reply

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