Legal Beagle by Graeme Edgeler

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Legal Beagle: He is Henry the Eighth, he is

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  • Islander,

    Stephen Judd - we'll think about it - but not with the current lot.

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Just thinking,

    I'm moving more and more to the position of a pox on all of their houses.

    Order of the Reich President for the Protection of People and State.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_Fire_Decree

    Canterbury Earthquake Response and Recovery Bill

    The major difference is that the earlier is a presidential decree & the latter was unanimously voted for.

    Where will it end?

    Putaringamotu • Since Apr 2009 • 1158 posts Report Reply

  • Just thinking,

    Could someone please explain why the Cops are Marching?

    No mention of any outside involvment from the Mayor or Council, no clergy that I'm aware of. Not a word of any outside sanction.


    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch/4181301/Return-to-work-soon-for-officer

    Or was this the Running of the Goats?

    Putaringamotu • Since Apr 2009 • 1158 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    I think it's an annual memorial. Normally only at the police college?

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report Reply

  • Just thinking,

    That's as it should be.

    How many cops have been killed in Christchurch?
    None to my knowledge.

    So why march to a war memorial?

    The right of marching is given by the Mayor to military units as a ceremonial remeberance.

    It all seems a little displaced emotion. I'm all for ritual & ceremonies, but this is mainly the function of the church or at least some civic oversight.

    To have the Police march to a war memorial, seems missdirected.

    Putaringamotu • Since Apr 2009 • 1158 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    What does it matter?

    Seriously, police officers take the risks of their job quite seriously, so do their families. My mother used to sit up late watching old movies waiting for my dad to finish night shift. The worst thing would have been a knock on the door rather than the key turning.

    If the police want to take an hour to remember comrades fallen in service, and they want to march to a war memorial, what's the problem?

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Poole,

    Just (Not?) Thinking, I'm not aware of any legal restriction on marching in any public place, provided that you're not disruptive or obstructive.

    The Police are entitled to march in any public place they so choose, at any time, without getting anyone's permission, so long as they meet the conditions above. Given the shit of a year for the cops in general, and for Christchurch right now, if they want to match in memory of fallen comrades then that's their absolute bloody right and who the fuck are you to question it?

    Auckland • Since Mar 2007 • 4097 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    if they want to match in memory of fallen comrades then that's their absolute bloody right and who the fuck are you to question it?

    Just as they have a right,and you have a right, I think JT has a right also.
    I also think

    The right of marching is given by the Mayor to military units as a ceremonial remeberance.
    It all seems a little displaced emotion. I'm all for ritual & ceremonies, but this is mainly the function of the church or at least some civic oversight.
    To have the Police march to a war memorial, seems missdirected.

    isn't too harsh to have that sorta response but I ain't a moderator,so it's none of my business, I know.
    As you were.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie,

    No mention of any outside involvment from the Mayor or Council, no clergy that I'm aware of. Not a word of any outside sanction . . . Or was this the Running of the Goats?

    Police Parade Goat As Robbery Suspect

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    they always get their goat...

    Police Parade Goat As Robbery Suspect

    Goats are known for their lively and frisky behaviour, one just has to remember Billy the Kid...

    "while one of them escaped, the other was about to be apprehended by the team when he turned his back on the wall and turned to this goat. They quickly grabbed the goat and here it is.’’

    aka the Escape Goat, a cunning plan to avoid the minions of the Nanny State!

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7943 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Poole,

    Sofie, it wasn't that one post it was a long history of JT digging at the police. There's more context than just questioning the CHC officers daring to march in public.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2007 • 4097 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    the PH factor - I'll get my goat then...
    acid redux - from Paul "Cheeky Whitey II" Henry.
    I am failing to see the humour in his latest gaffe,
    this morning where Henry asked Mr Key

    ...whether Governor-General Sir Anand Satyanand was a New Zealander or not.

    When assured by Mr Key that he was, Henry asked if he was going to pick someone who looked more like a New Zealander next time.

    Sir Anand is New Zealand's first Governor-General of Indian and Pacific ancestry. He had a lengthy career as a lawyer, judge and ombudsman before taking up the job in August 2006.

    He was born and raised in Auckland, attending Richmond Road School in Ponsonby, and Sacred Heart College in Glen Innes. His parents were born in Fiji and migrated to New Zealand, his grandparents were born in India and had migrated to Fiji.

    this is from the man who said:

    Henry, as a father, distanced himself from Maori Party MP Hone Harawira when it came to his daughters dating.
    "Hone is indeed more racist than I. It's not enough that they're nice, not enough that they're kind, they also have to be brown ... Whereas I haven't set a colour restriction for my girls."

    Perhaps Henry (who was also born in NZ) should head back to Bristol where he "allegedly" grew up, and have another go at evolving properly into an adult of the species...

    </hrumph!>

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7943 posts Report Reply

  • FletcherB,

    I saw that this morning and I was dismayed but not surprised at the stupidity on show... (because it is Paul Henry, after-all)

    What really surprised me was when he was talking to Key about polling of the supercity mayoralty suggesting Brown was clearly ahead of Banks..... and his questions were clearly of the "what can we do to get the correct candidate, our blue boy, back in the lead of that nasty left leaning oik" variety.

    Mr Key did at least make "well, it's up to the people of Auckland to decide" type noises... but I thought he could have made a slightly stronger statement like "You might think you know who I'd prefer to win, but as Prime-minister I cant be seen to take sides"

    West Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 889 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Poole,

    Ian, you're assuming that Henry is actually human; I'm not entirely convinced. I certainly agree that it's charitable in the extreme to call him "grown up".

    Auckland • Since Mar 2007 • 4097 posts Report Reply

  • Just thinking,

    Matthew,

    Ritual & ceremony serve a valueble purpose but these things are not generally done in isolation. Weddings have priests or celebrants, so do funerals.

    It was a war memorial they marched to. Like the 9/11 memorial on the cnr of Oxford, Kilmore & Madras St, it seems a very displaced emotion.

    It would have seemed more appropriate to have a religious service, saving confusion on symbolism.

    Are the Police at War? If so, who with?

    This was after all on St Michael, the Archangels day, patron Saint for cops. To choose this day and have no religious service is an odd use of symbolism.

    Putaringamotu • Since Apr 2009 • 1158 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    Are the Police at War? If so, who with?

    I'll mention that to the RSA next ANZAC Day.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report Reply

  • Graeme Edgeler,

    Ian, you're assuming that Henry is actually human; I'm not entirely convinced.

    And Paul Henry wasn't convinced that the Governor-General is a New Zealander - you two are made for each other!

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 3207 posts Report Reply

  • Just thinking,

    Any theories on the emergency powers given to the CCC CEO, why he's on holiday, and passed them onto the Acting CEO, who passed them onto the Councilors?

    Could it be Bobs lying again (he does say some clangers) & they don't want to be called on in insurance fraud cases?

    But of course the laws nolonger apply thanks to Mr Brownlee.

    Except maybe if you're a bank or insurance company paying out millions & threaten to reneg on all NZ insurance if these frauds about damaged heritage buildings persists.

    Must look for more conspiracies, the bigger they are the more likely they're true. WMDs anyone?

    I need my taxi licence.

    Putaringamotu • Since Apr 2009 • 1158 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Poole,

    JT, got some linky love for us to look at?

    Auckland • Since Mar 2007 • 4097 posts Report Reply

  • Just thinking,

    Like this?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_Theory_(film)

    or this?

    http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/quake-s-worst-hit-still-waiting-answers-3798620

    Parker needs to be seen as a man of power and in charge, that means having knowledge. So he always has an answer and many of them are bold faced lies.

    CTV have the Director of the Arts Centre choking as Mike Yardley relays one of Bobs guarentees. But I can't find it.

    Putaringamotu • Since Apr 2009 • 1158 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    the emergency powers given to the CCC CEO, why he's on holiday, and passed them onto the Acting CEO, who passed them onto the Councilors

    link for that?

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19707 posts Report Reply

  • Just thinking,

    If you didn't live here you wouldn't believe it, but this is exactly what is happening here right now. Oh and they voted to knock three down, on Wednesday, just after most postal votes were in.

    http://ccc.govt.nz/thecouncil/newsmedia/mediareleases/2010/201010066.aspx

    Demolition of unsafe buildings6 October 2010
    The Christchurch City Council is issuing a warrant under the Building Act 2004 requiring the demolition of two earthquake damaged Christchurch buildings because of the threat they pose to public safety.
    The buildings are at 160 Manchester Street (on the corner of Manchester and Hereford Streets) and 461A-469A Colombo Street (Sydenham).

    The demolition has been called for by Peter Mitchell, the Acting CEO of the Council. He will issue warrants for the demolition of these two buildings under section 129 of the Building Act 2004, which gives him power to issue a warrant where the state of the building is such that “immediate danger to the safety of people is likely in terms of section 121” of the Building Act. This requires that there be something about the building that takes it beyond being a “simple” dangerous, earthquake-prone or insanitary building. Resource consents are not required for the demolition of these two buildings.

    These two buildings were among six that were discussed by the Council at a meeting on Monday of this week. That meeting was adjourned so that Council staff could prepare a further report on whether any of the six buildings present an immediate danger and to identify Council obligations and options.

    Three of the remaining buildings considered by the Council were not considered to pose an immediate danger under section 129 of the Building Act 2004 and no warrants will be issued for their demolition at this time. Those buildings are at 192 Madras Street, 456 Colombo Street, 580 Ferry Road.

    Putaringamotu • Since Apr 2009 • 1158 posts Report Reply

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