Hard News: Where the crazy comes from
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That goes very deep. It is nothing new-the communists have been infiltrating Islam since the twenties
Dude, wait 'till bin Laden hears about this. He's gonna go nuts.
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Danielle: that was simply superb. Thanks for the link.
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Re TiVo - the initial Herald article was outright wrong. It's now been updated.
Short story:
- You can only buy the box through Telecom
- Anyone with ANY broadband account can use it like a normal PVR (EPGs, recording etc)
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Danielle: that was simply superb. Thanks for the link.
Hell yeah. Dazzling.
The link is here, for those too lazy to look upthread.
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Thanks Gareth, that makes a lot more sense. Stupid herald.
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That goes very deep. It is nothing new-the communists have been infiltrating Islam since the twenties
Dude, wait 'till bin Laden hears about this. He's gonna go nuts.
Totally. He'll be, like, WTF was that brutal war with Soviet Russia about then?
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Thanks Gareth, that makes a lot more sense
It still has flaws of course - limiting the scope of who can make full use of the advanced features for no apparent benefit? As Russell sad, surely Orcon and Vodahug would have done the same deal?
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It still has flaws of course - limiting the scope of who can make full use of the advanced features for no apparent benefit? As Russell sad, surely Orcon and Vodahug would have done the same deal?
I'm starting to think they've quite cleverly made TVNZ's problem into Telecom's problem. More thoughts tomorrow.
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The sad thing about "the crazies" is the cynical way people are being stirred up and manipulated. The Health lobby and the Republicans know *exactly* what they are doing and believe in none of the allegations that are being bandied about.
The sadder thing is that what occurs in the US will, inevitably end up here. For example:
Buddy, can you spare me an "h"?
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I just got back from the US, where there were people campaigning, inter alia for the impeachment of GW Bush, for "something" to be done about the upcoming end of the world in 2012, to avoid paying tax because Hamilton had his toes crossed when voting for the constitution, that Obama is a space alien, that Texas isn't a state, etc, etc.
I'm not sure what the answer is - medical LSD cards or something?
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During the campaign Obama himself traced it back to kindergarten, when he was encouraged to share his toys with the other children.
Maestro, I seek permission to use this epithet regularly and with attribution.
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Oh, but of course. It's not my joke, though, it's Obama's.
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in case you hadn't noticed, the entire U.S. congress and executive branch of govt. is in thrall to the Wall Street banksters to the tune of more than US$2 trillion in the last 12 months alone. "too big to fail" is the most successful marketing slogan of all time.
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I'm blowing my own trumpet here, but last year Loudon and Bernard Moran wrote an article arguing that the 1984 Labour Party was run by the KGB. Here's a link to the article and my critique.
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To cut a long story short, all of Trev Loudon's conspiracy theorist roads lead to the same destination: Reductio ad Stalinum.
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DPF's slack-jawed credulity regarding the ridiculous Trevor Loudon isn't surprising. As he made clear here a couple of years back, he's happy to outsource his thinking on the red menace to the guy who stated on his own blog, and proudly reiterated it when challenged by a disbelieving commenter, that his wife and children are his property to do with as he pleases.
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Speaking of wingnuttery, we're shortly to be visited by one of the architects (pun intended) of the 911 "Truth" Movement.
Richard Gage is talking in Wellington in November. Get your tinfoil now, because I expect a shortage in the Wellington region.
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well, instead of an implied ad hominem, maybe you could offer a plausible explanation for the collapse of WTC7?
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WTC7? Structural damage caused by the debris of the collapsed tower, exacerbated by the internal fires in WTC7 (whose sprinkler system was inactive due to the water mains being knocked out by the aforementioned collapse). Once you see the damaged side of WTC7 prior to its complete collapse the official account is very plausible indeed.
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So I stay away for a few days because I've got masses of essays to mark, and I come back and find we're now getting 50 comments per page .... things are changing around here.
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Oh PLEASE. Let's not all get 9/11 conspiracy-nutcasish here. I put up with that kind of thing at work all day from my conspiracy-theorist boss.
Other than logically thinking about the destabilising weight of a large plane crashing into the building, the pancake effect of floors crashing down on each other, and a fire weakening some of the structure, Popular Mechanics has a good run-down on the most likely explanations (Occam's razor, engineers and eye-witness accounts) for all kinds of 9/11 events.
It's certainly a lot more plausible than any conspiracy theory I've seen (as soon as conspiracists open their mouths about airplanes and air traffic control, for starters, they FAIL).
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that's right, TracyMac, ad hom rules, OK?
no plane crashing into WTC7. No major fire.
Of the many large, steel-framed buildings that have had a MAJOR fire, none has ever just fallen to the ground. ever. except WTC7.
the "evidence" offered by Popular Mechanics regarding WTC7 is hardly convincing. but, as you say, any questioning of the very flimsy "evidence" offered as an official explanation is an automatic FAIL because, well, such questioning is, by its very nature, nutty. thanks for that rigorous argument.
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oh, and HORansome, isn't relying on Wikipedia as your primary (sole?) source of information considered a FAIL?
btw, the final govt report from last year (NIST) stated:"the collapse sequence demonstrated a vertical and horizontal progression of failure upon removal of the Column 79 section, followed by buckling of exterior columns, which led to the collapse of the entire building". they changed their mind about the debris damage. nevermind. -
oh, and HORansome, isn't relying on Wikipedia as your primary (sole?) source of information considered a FAIL?
Actually Stephen, he studies this stuff. The theories, I mean.
But I have to echo TracyMac. Not here, please.
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the "evidence" offered by Popular Mechanics regarding WTC7 is hardly convincing. but, as you say, any questioning of the very flimsy "evidence" offered as an official explanation is an automatic FAIL because, well, such questioning is, by its very nature, nutty.
It is *possible* there is more to 9/11 than emerged in the official report. However, given the massive incompetence of the Bush government at every other level, it really does boggle the mind to believe that they could cover this up. When your basic premises require that sort of leap, then, yeah, it's hard to take seriously.
There's also two other important things to remember - firstly, what if we just don't know? In this sort of chaotic event, some unlikely things will occur. It may never be possible to reconstruct precisely what happened. That's not evidence of conspiracy, it's evidence of real life.
Secondly, it's like the moon landings - if NASA could have faked it, could they then bribe and bully every geologist to ever study at a moon rock, read a paper on moon rocks, or talk to people who'd allegedly studied them? If there's a cover-up, then how come the civil engineers of the world aren't having loud and angry debates about it?
And thirdly:
glad to know that "science" and "evidence" rules at PAS.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
ETA: oops, sorry Russell, just saw that.
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