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Hard News: What's on David Bain's iPod?

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  • Craig Ranapia,

    Just to play the devil's advocate for a moment, I'm a bit more worried about the media bitch pack baying for blood after the death of the Kahui Twins.

    I know it's tiresome - and pretty crap television - when the Police have to build a case before they lay charges, don't make public every detail of an ongoing investigation, and actually have to respect all that silly legal crap about not being able to coerce people into co-operating with their inquiries. What kind of world are we living in when not every thing revolves around the media?

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Charles Mabbett,

    How about Excitable Boy by Warren Zevon?

    Someone buy the man a copy of Nelson Mandela's autobiography.

    Yeah right.

    Since Nov 2006 • 236 posts Report Reply

  • Dave Patrick,

    Nice unbiased "cartoon" in the Press this morning on David Bain.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/0a17216.html

    And the Stuff website: "New jumper for Bain"....

    And the Herald headline "Bain spends first night of freedom partying" - like he'd downed a dozen E's and a box of alcopops and was having it large with the laydeez when the article goes on to describe just how wild the party was: "David was bouncing kids up and down on his knee. We had pizzas and potato chips. You know, he was in very, very nice, happy surroundings."

    Can the media please try to take this a little more seriously?

    Rangiora, Te Wai Pounamu • Since Nov 2006 • 261 posts Report Reply

  • hamishm,

    How about Excitable Boy by Warren Zevon?

    B/W "Lawyers,Guns and Money" by the same artist.

    Since Nov 2006 • 357 posts Report Reply

  • Simon Grigg,

    On the DRM pricing, as with the USA, $37 for a digital copy of a 15 track album I can buy at the Warehouse for $24, rip to my heart's content at whatever bitrate I want, peruse the sleeve, and then sell at Groovy later on.......

    It all seems like a gift to Soulseek. When will they learn....

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3284 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    Russell, your link to the tv3 web site is broken. It's mangled the public address url in there as well. As is Dave's above to the Stuff website, but people can just copy and paste that in.

    John Campbell had the biggest grin on his face last night, and earlier in the day when he was part of the media scrum. Karam used the words cheshire cat a few times, but it applied to the interviewer almost as much. I was torn between feeling he should be more unbiased, and thinking 'good on you, media that actually doesn't pretend shit like that'.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report Reply

  • Sodium Hydroxide,

    After emerging into the glare of banality like "Whats for dinner tonight" I suspect

    Welcome to the Jungle by Guns n Roses

    Ian Wishart: Dont Believe the Hype by Public Enemy

    The desert of the real • Since May 2007 • 23 posts Report Reply

  • MikeE,

    2. Fuck what you heard

    Ben,

    Somehow I don't take him for a DNB/Breaks fan, and if eh was, I'm not sure if TC and Scratch Perverts would be his thing :-P

    Good track though!

    Washington DC • Since Nov 2006 • 138 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    On the DRM pricing, as with the USA, $37 for a digital copy of a 15 track album I can buy at the Warehouse for $24, rip to my heart's content at whatever bitrate I want, peruse the sleeve, and then sell at Groovy later on.......

    No - if you're buying the album, it will (it bloody better be) still $NZ17.99, which is significantly cheaper than buying a disc at retail in most cases. It's individual tracks they're stinging us on.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Russell, your link to the tv3 web site is broken. It's mangled the public address url in there as well. As is Dave's above to the Stuff website, but people can just copy and paste that in.

    Thanks - the Campbell link had a stray space in it - should work now. And Dave had mucked up his formatting.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report Reply

  • Simon Grigg,

    No - if you're buying the album, it will (it bloody better be) still $NZ17.99, which is significantly cheaper than buying a disc at retail in most cases. It's individual tracks they're stinging us on.

    oh, ok....I have to be honest, iTunes and I don't spend a lot of time in each other's company. It just seems too user unfriendly

    It's still cheaper to buy a 3 or 4 track CD single than the iTunes equivalent

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3284 posts Report Reply

  • Damian Christie,

    I enjoy your columns, but the rest of the team seem to have scarpered. I know they've all got to earn a penny somewhere.
    Can't you get some new writers on who will post regularly?

    Well, five of us have posted in the last week, and Russell probably five times himself. That's a couple of decent-length columns a day, plus all the ensuing discussion here at the System... you not getting your money's worth or something? :)

    I thought the law professor on Close Up was good last night, saying he thought Bain was being treated like a returning war hero. While I don't want to sound like Looney old Laws, baying for Bain's blood on the talkback, he is still accused of mass murder isn't he? I don't pretend to be an expert on the case, but I don't think the majority of the public are either, so perhaps we should hold off on the tickertape parade for a bit?

    Re the "how do you feel" style questions to Bain (and I don't think those first few actually came from Sainso, listening to them again) from all the journos, I know it's cliche, but isn't it probably the most relevant question to someone who's just been released from prison after 13 years? Short of any questions about the retrial and the judicial system, which he wasn't going to answer.

    Here's a list of all the questions I could make out in the scrum:

    How does it feel to be out David?

    how does it feel?

    How does it feel david?

    how does it feel?

    Is it?

    Were you expecting this today?

    And did it feel like a long time waiting in the court?

    What are you going to do first?

    When you were standing in court, what was going through your head when you were listening to the judge?

    A big smile came over your face when they said they were granting bail, could you believe it?

    Did you expect it?

    How hard have the past 12-13 years been?

    How’s your heart rate feel?

    How did you keep your head together the last 12 years?

    Do you want a new trial?

    What are your plans for tonight, do you have any plans for this evening?

    What’s the thing you missed the most?

    Do you have faith in the judicial system?

    How odd is this entire experience right now, being free, being out of jail?

    Was it emotional last night for you?

    No jersey David?

    Are you guys going to live together?

    Which one’s the tidy one?

    Who’s going to do the cooking?

    What are you looking forward to?

    You don’t like prison food?

    How do you feel about not being able to go back to Dunedin?

    What do you (unclear) want to do now, find a job?


    Most of the questions seem to relate to emotions and Bain's mental state, whether it's "how do you feel", or "what's going through your mind", "how odd is it being out", "how did you keep it together" etc. Once those questions were done the reporters seemed to move pretty quickly to jerseys, prison food and whether living with Joe was going to be like a scene from 80s sitcom Perfect Strangers.

    I like Morgan's question earlier. But if you were in that scrum, and were only going to get one question before being shouted down by the others, what would you most want to know?

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1164 posts Report Reply

  • David Cormack,

    David Bain's iPod: We Are Family by Sister Sledge

    Wha? Too soon?

    Suburbia, Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 218 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    I like Morgan's question earlier. But if you were in that scrum, and were only going to get one question before being shouted down by the others, what would you most want to know?

    Um ... are Guns and Roses still relevant?

    But seriously, I understand what you're saying - it was just that there was that few seconds where everything was filled with how-do-you-feel.

    I don't envy the reporters having to to the jostling through - the Sainzer looked pissed off at one point. Ands there was a funny moment where a cameraman reached his hand forward and moved JC's immaculately-coiffed head several centimetres to the left to get his shot back.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report Reply

  • peter mclennan,

    oh my god, damian - you just defended the lazy journos fallback question - how do you FEEL about that?

    AK Central • Since Nov 2006 • 159 posts Report Reply

  • Che Tibby,

    one question before being shouted down by the others, what would you most want to know?

    "david! have you been getting regular action?!"

    what?... tell me you aren't curious christie.

    the back of an envelope • Since Nov 2006 • 2042 posts Report Reply

  • peter mclennan,

    like, ah, "whats your prison nickname?"

    AK Central • Since Nov 2006 • 159 posts Report Reply

  • hamishm,

    where a cameraman reached his hand forward and moved JC's immaculately-coiffed head several centimetres

    My televisual highlight of the year.
    In the spirit of the politics of envy and spiteful whinging. where was Holmes?

    Since Nov 2006 • 357 posts Report Reply

  • Damian Christie,

    Peter: All I'm saying is that it's a cliche for a reason, and I don't think it's because journos are lazy (though some are, sure) but because when you're interviewing a human being about their reaction to a life-changing event, asking how they feel is a pretty good start.

    But yes, of course it sounded ridiculous when the first four questions to Bain were all "how do you feel?"

    If I'm writing a question line in preparation for such an interview, there will almost always be something along those lines. Even if nowadays we all know to phrase it "what went through your mind when..." or "what were you thinking when you heard...". There you go, trade secret number one revealed...

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1164 posts Report Reply

  • peter mclennan,

    Damian - interesting response, there. Hmm. Yes, its a cliche, but repeating it over and over to Bain revealed nothing. I dread the next round of interviews with him - don't you?

    AK Central • Since Nov 2006 • 159 posts Report Reply

  • Sodium Hydroxide,

    "who is your wool-yarns supplier?"

    quite hard to ask and answer the 5w's and h in such a "we're gonna need more angle ladders here people!" melee

    even more astounding to me was the petrie dish and sainsburger stalking clearwater estate, with astonishing revelations such as "well david bain has changed over the past 13 years, he's grown up, he's more of a man" + the fact that under the lights she looked like a deer (doh?) in headlights

    arent gnr playing nz soon?

    ...If you got a hunger for what you see
    You'll take it eventually
    You can have anything you want
    But you better not take it from me...

    The desert of the real • Since May 2007 • 23 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart,

    one question before being shouted down by the others, what would you most want to know?

    How much would you like everyone to take one big step backwards?

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4651 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    even more astounding to me was the petrie dish and sainsburger stalking clearwater estate, with astonishing revelations such as "well david bain has changed over the past 13 years, he's grown up, he's more of a man" + the fact that under the lights she looked like a deer (doh?) in headlights

    To be fair, Campbell Live also spent an inordinate amount of time determining that the good folk of Te Kauwhata were okay with their new neighbour. If there hadn't been yawning spaces of TV time to fill that could serviceably have been covered in one line of script.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report Reply

  • Nobody Important,

    Since its likely his friends would have loaded the iPod its likely it would be Opera. With Now That's What I Call Music Volume 23 thrown in for good measure. But since we're not supposed to be serious ...

    The Message - Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five

    [Chorus:]
    Don't push me cos I'm close to the edge
    I'm trying not to lose my head
    It's like a jungle sometimes
    It makes me wonder how I keep from going under

    expat • Since Mar 2007 • 319 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    Here are the converted prices, based on todays NBNZ tourist rates:
    Click here to see the spreadsheet

    DRM, Local DRM, NZD Cheaper? Non-DRM, local Non-DRM, NZD Cheaper? Rate (16-05)
    US 0.99 1.35 24% 1.29 1.76 2% 0.7317
    EU 0.99 1.85 -3% 1.29 2.41 -35% 0.5356
    UK 0.79 2.15 -20% 0.99 2.69 -50% 0.3679
    NZ 1.79 2.49
    Basically, the US is cheaper on DRM, same as NZ on non-DRM.
    Everywhere else is more expensive.

    BTW, how does iTunes work out domicile?
    - IP address?
    - Credit card currency?
    - Billing address?
    - Where you bought the iPod?
    - All of above?

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

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