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Hard News: Time to Vote

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  • krothville,

    Sorry, actually, I see that there are 250,000 special votes, and they won't be finalised til Monday. It could be that a high proportion of them are for the left, so it could change, but I'm not holding my breath.

    Since Sep 2014 • 73 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    I feel pretty much the way I do when the All Blacks lose.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1435 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Stowell,

    NZ has voted for hungry kids. Dirty rivers and disgusting politics. More for the wealthy and unscrupulous. Unspecified 'reforms' for welfare and education.
    I'm feeling a bit sick.
    Bugger. Going to sleep in tomorrow.

    Whakaraupo • Since Nov 2006 • 2108 posts Report Reply

  • krothville, in reply to Joe Wylie,

    (Disclaimer: I party voted IM, and I’m bloody old. Now what about all the yoof that fiftysomethings who really should have known better were predicting would be motivated & mobilised by Dotcom’s shitemusic?)

    My bet will be that a lot of them had to cast special votes because of enrolling too late to be on the printed list (my vote included). So they won't be finalised til Monday.

    I wanted so badly to vote for IMP, but with everything hanging on Hone, and Labour campaigning hard against him (serious wtf moment), I decided not to risk a wasted left vote.

    Since Sep 2014 • 73 posts Report Reply

  • tussock, in reply to Joe Wylie,

    Now what about all the yoof

    Oh, please. Everyone tries to mobilise their own particular kind of youth voter, and everybody is somewhat successful. A whole lot of them vote National, but still enjoy the free music and also hate the shit out of John Key.

    Internet-Mana had bloody good policies, good on you for voting for them. We'd have been a better country for having them in parliament. But that's life under the 5% threshold. Keeps out the riff raff, don't you know.

    Since Nov 2006 • 610 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    I’d quite like the opportunity to scream at John Key, too.

    You can hardly hold John key responsible for being voted for. It's unfortunate though, that we now have what the Guardian described as an " adolescent Prime minister" I wonder if that is going to affect our ability to attract international investors - in anything other than slave labor.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4411 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to tussock,

    Oh, please. Everyone tries to mobilise their own particular kind of youth voter, and everybody is somewhat successful.

    IM wasn’t. While it certainly wasn’t the reason they attracted my vote, their was a lot of facetious and condescending hot air blown about how Dotcom’s faux musical dabblings gave him some kind of potential cred with first time voters. IMHE the kids are smarter than that.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • krothville,

    Can anyone clarify for me, because a lot a lot of people this election had to do a special vote because they received the letter from the election commission to say they were enrolled, but then turned up today to find out they weren't on the printed roll, is there any way to tell if your vote has been discounted because the electoral commission thinks you weren't enrolled, yet your letter was sent and you thought everything was ok?

    It just seems awfully strange this year, and there were a lot of people on both the Maori roll and the general roll in my area who turned up and found out they weren't on the roll and then turned up and they weren't. Much, much more than in other years.

    Since Sep 2014 • 73 posts Report Reply

  • krothville, in reply to steven crawford,

    adolescent Prime minister

    Link please, I must have missed that, I need cheering up this evening.

    Since Sep 2014 • 73 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic,

    Best we can hope for right now is for the special votes to kibosh Key's outright majority.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5429 posts Report Reply

  • Greg Dawson,

    I'd really like to understand what happened to the Green vote. They seemed to be in a stronger position than 2011, with a better campaign and policy platform, and Labours weakness playing to their favour. And yet.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 294 posts Report Reply

  • Sam F, in reply to krothville,

    It's here - a quote from Greenwald rather than the Grauniad's own description.

    It's strange attempting to follow the election via the Herald app plus PAS, but the quiet on here tells its own story, I guess.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1609 posts Report Reply

  • tussock,

    So, the greens usually grab 1/2 a point on specials, and there's a bunch of them, so they'll get that last seat off National most likely, though it could come off Labour yet. NZF could grab a 2nd off National. They're still in though.


    Hey, just got reminded. Colin Craig is not in parliament. That, my good folk, is really a gigantic relief, even though it's tragically unfair to those voters and he damn well should be in. This could have been very much worse though.

    Since Nov 2006 • 610 posts Report Reply

  • Trevor Nicholls,

    and now paul henry is going on about loyalty...

    Wellington, NZ • Since Nov 2006 • 324 posts Report Reply

  • krothville, in reply to Sam F,

    Ah, bugger, I'd hoped it was the Graun's.


    Also, guys, that special vote block is enormous this time around (~10%), and I think it will have a fair number of conservative votes in it, I think they only need around 10-15k more, easily doable out of 250k or so.

    So things could get worse.

    Since Sep 2014 • 73 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    It’s here – a quote from Greenwald rather than the Grauniad’s own description.

    Yes that’s it thanks. And I would like to apologize to Greenwald, on behalf our country, for waisting his time.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4411 posts Report Reply

  • Chris Waugh,

    So, Nikki Kaye has Auckland Central by 647, Trevor Mallard has Hutt South by 378. What are the chances of specials overturning those?

    I'm also surprised how slim Peter Dunne's margin is. Only 930. It was my impression he was a reasonably popular local MP, hence his longevity, but I guess it's not that simple. Had all those votes for Tane Woodley gone to Virginia Andersen....

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 2401 posts Report Reply

  • Trevor Nicholls, in reply to Chris Waugh,

    It was my impression he was a reasonably popular local MP

    He turns up to everything in the electorate. Handy that it's so close to Parliament so it isn't the burden it is for an MP out of Wellington. I don't think he actually does anything tangible or helpful except vote with John Key's National Government.

    Wellington, NZ • Since Nov 2006 • 324 posts Report Reply

  • krothville, in reply to Chris Waugh,

    So, Nikki Kaye has Auckland Central by 647, Trevor Mallard has Hutt South by 378. What are the chances of specials overturning those?

    I'm also surprised how slim Peter Dunne's margin is. Only 930. It was my impression he was a reasonably popular local MP, hence his longevity, but I guess it's not that simple. Had all those votes for Tane Woodley gone to Virginia Andersen....

    Huge chance of change for both Dunne and Kaye, as both electorates are close to 30% specials.

    Dunne's electorate weren't very happy with him about the drugs law, apparently, a lot of people said they would never vote for him again.

    Since Sep 2014 • 73 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Hey, just got reminded. Colin Craig is not in parliament. That, my good folk, is really a gigantic relief, even though it’s tragically unfair to those voters and he damn well should be in. This could have been very much worse though.

    These is no such thing as waisted votes. The outcome might lead to the lowering of the threshold. But he’ll yes, I am relieved that the Conservative party has no more influence in parliament than you or I.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4411 posts Report Reply

  • Chris Waugh,

    One for the very unfortunate name (or spelling of the name, at least) file:

    Electoral Commission spokeswoman Stasi Turnbull said a number of complaints had been lodged over breaches.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 2401 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    I don’t think he actually does anything tangible or helpful except vote with John Key’s National Government.

    He was heavily into synthetic drugs, and there analogs.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4411 posts Report Reply

  • WH,

    While disappointing, the result was in the polling and I suppose it has been for many years.

    It won't be easy for Labour to reclaim the support National has accumulated. My own view is that the parties to the left of Labour are complicating its effort to present the image it needs to attract broad-based, non-partisan support. Maybe it's a function of the rainbow coalition that makes up the modern progressive movement. I hope Labour can find the personnel and the vision to turn it all around. Its job won't be made easier by the dominant narratives that exist about the left.

    I think it has to be conceded that Key is a remarkable figure in New Zealand's political history. Even his interview with John Campbell was really likeable, and I was supporting the other guy.

    So, sad face. Back to the drawing board.

    Since Nov 2006 • 797 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Joe Wylie,

    Disclaimer: I party voted IM, and I’m bloody old.

    +1

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    Sheep still dominate in NZ, despite our desperate focus on Dairy.
    And the winner on the day was corruption and denigration and the scum rose to the top of the swamp.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

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