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  • Russell Brown,

    Okay, this does seem material.

    Amy Adams co-authored a paper to Cabinet a paper recommending an extension for eCan’s commissioners.

    (Via No Right Turn)

    I can’t see how she didn’t have an interest in that decision.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22830 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

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    Here’s the money quote in that Adams paper.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22830 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Co-authored with David Carter, who also has farming interests in Canterbury.

    Have a look at recommendation 18 to make your hair curl.

    The section on "Human Rights" is astounding: basically this breaches international human rights law but wtf it has got to be done. Point 63: councils can get facts wrong so if you can't challenge on basis of factual error, that should be adequately justified (not changed but justified)

    [Can't make it all copy and paste sorry]

    Fucking hell: worse than I had thought.

    Really need a lawyer to analyse this because as an amateur I can see so many flaws in democracy I don't know where to start. It seems to say Cantabrians have no recourse to the rule of law and the same courts that apply in the rest of NZ. Or am I being overly dramatic?

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2898 posts Report Reply

  • Keir Leslie,

    CWMS isn't the CPW --- the CWMS enables CPW.

    Since Jul 2008 • 1452 posts Report Reply

  • George Darroch, in reply to Gareth Ward,

    IIRC there were six priority measures implemented, all of which have done well.

    Shorter stays in emergency departments, Improved access to elective surgery, Shorter waits for cancer treatment, Increased immunisation, Better help for smokers to quit, More heart and diabetes checks.

    All of which are good things, but which don't constitute the entirety of a health system. Because of their important in funding, they've taken on a very high degree of importance, to the detriment of other effective interventions.

    WLG • Since Nov 2006 • 2264 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Amy Adams co-authored a paper to Cabinet a paper recommending an extension for ECan’s commissioners.

    To be fair, she recommended an option less authoritarian than the one Cabinet decided on.

    I can’t see how she didn’t have an interest in that decision.

    Me neither.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19707 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Keir Leslie,

    CWMS isn’t the CPW — the CWMS enables CPW.

    Yes. I’ve just finished laboriously correcting myself on Twitter about that.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22830 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Hebe,

    Co-authored with David Carter, who also has farming interests in Canterbury.

    Yes, another dirty pair of hands.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19707 posts Report Reply

  • Keir Leslie, in reply to Russell Brown,

    The whole thing is sleazy as hell, but on the other hand I don't think Adams is close enough to cause a conflict of interest legally. Ethically and politically, of course, it is truly abhorrent.

    Since Jul 2008 • 1452 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Hebe,

    It seems to say Cantabrians have no recourse to the rule of law and the same courts that apply in the rest of NZ. Or am I being overly dramatic?

    That is a good question, that’s probably best responded to by Maori from the top of the South Island, that sparked the seabed and foreshore debate, last time the Labor led government was in power.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4411 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Keir Leslie,

    The whole thing is sleazy as hell, but on the other hand I don’t think Adams is close enough to cause a conflict of interest legally. Ethically and politically, of course, it is truly abhorrent.

    It's not unlike Sir Joh's Queensland. The biggest difference is the overt absence of batons-and-shields-for-hire.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5429 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22830 posts Report Reply

  • alobar,

    Ever tried to pay for a meal in china when locals are with you ? I generally do it on either a fake or real toilet trip when my chinese friends aren't looking. Its not always easy .

    auckland • Since Apr 2010 • 63 posts Report Reply

  • Idiot Savant, in reply to Keir Leslie,

    Ethically and politically, of course, it is truly abhorrent.

    Yes. And that's what I'm focusing on.

    Palmerston North • Since Nov 2006 • 1716 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Keir Leslie,

    Ethically and politically, of course, it is truly abhorrent.

    That's the thing about the second-term Key Government: ethics and the lack of 'em. It's a trader's government: just the right side of the law (mostly) but ethically stinks like the Heathcote in flood.

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2898 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Sacha,

    You might want to rephrase that for Russell's sake.

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2898 posts Report Reply

  • Chris Waugh, in reply to Jason Kemp,

    Not quite - Fonterra has a number of dairy farms in China already

    And Rich:

    a Waikato type climate

    Not Hebei. There are plenty of wetlands in the area, but it's bone dry from autumn through to spring, and the pollution....

    Also, NZ has been exporting dairy cows to China to help Chinese farms build up their own herds of top-quality milk-producing cows.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 2401 posts Report Reply

  • Chris Waugh, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    I'm sure he was necessary for the Dinner they had but it was the brushing aside any attempt to know his business or name other than a border official, several times but happily noted the other guests, all from Oravida is what seems out of order to me.

    I don't know. And it's taken me a few days and several different arrangements of search terms, but finally I found a story on something I read about and stupidly neglected to blog a couple of weeks ago: Green Valley Dairies, producers of Oravida, recently had some of their milk held up in Guangzhou (article in Chinese, but you can see Green Valley Dairies Ltd listed in English as the producer) for not meeting Chinese standards. Maybe irrelevant, but...

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 2401 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Chris Waugh,

    Ooh. Could you do a more extensive precis when you have time?

    What was the date of Collins' China trip?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22830 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Ah, Google Translate:

    AQSIQ announced in December 2013 the entry of substandard food, cosmetics information displayed by the Food Co., Ltd. in Guangzhou City Ruimu 19 batches of imported new 西兰嘉仕堡巴 pasteurized milk were found to fail, there is a major The problem is that the quality of substandard, illegal use of chemical substances Carmines over shelf life. Substandard products have been destroyed.
      December 2013, the national entry-exit inspection and quarantine institutions were found substandard quality and safety of imported food items 248 batches, cosmetics 8 batches. 18 involving substandard food products, the main products are substandard pastry biscuits, beverages and dairy products from 35 countries or regions, quality, food additives and microbial contamination and other projects as the main reason for failure. Class 2 involving substandard cosmetics cosmetics, namely skin with cosmetics and oral cosmetics, the main reason for failure from the four countries, as the contaminants and microbial contamination. Above substandard imported food, cosmetics, port inspection and quarantine authorities have taken measures returned or destroyed, did not enter the domestic market.

    And the list below.

    HS Code
    Product Name
    Place of origin
    Manufacturer’s name and registration number
    Importer name and registration number
    Weight (kg)
    Describe the reasons for failure
    Measures Classification
    Port of entry
    0401100000
    Jiashibaoba pasteurized skim milk calcium 2L
    New Zealand
    Green Valley Dairies Ltd
    Ruimu Food Co., Ltd. in Guangzhou City
    80
    Substandard quality
    Destroy
    Guangdong
    0401100000
    Jiashibaoba pasteurized skim milk calcium 1L
    New Zealand
    Green Valley Dairies Ltd
    Ruimu Food Co., Ltd. in Guangzhou City
    60
    Substandard quality
    Destroy
    Guangdong
    0401100000
    Jiashibaoba pasteurized milk modulation (Strawberry)
    New Zealand
    Green Valley Dairies Ltd
    Ruimu Food Co., Ltd. in Guangzhou City
    9
    Illegal use of chemical substances Carmines
    Destroy
    Guangdong
    0401100000
    Jiashibaoba pasteurized skim milk calcium 1L
    New Zealand
    Green Valley Dairies Ltd
    Ruimu Food Co., Ltd. in Guangzhou City
    32
    Over the shelf life of
    Destroy
    Guangdong
    0401100000
    Jiashibaoba pasteurized skim milk calcium 2L
    New Zealand
    Green Valley Dairies Ltd
    Ruimu Food Co., Ltd. in Guangzhou City
    36
    Over the shelf life of
    Destroy
    Guangdong
    0401100000
    Jiashibaoba pasteurized skim milk calcium 2L
    New Zealand
    Green Valley Dairies Ltd
    Ruimu Food Co., Ltd. in Guangzhou City
    40
    Over the shelf life of
    Destroy
    Guangdong
    0401100000
    Jiashibaoba pasteurized skim milk calcium 1L
    New Zealand
    Green Valley Dairies Ltd
    Ruimu Food Co., Ltd. in Guangzhou City
    40
    Over the shelf life of
    Destroy
    Guangdong
    0401100000
    Jiashibaoba pasteurized skim milk calcium 2L
    New Zealand
    Green Valley Dairies Ltd
    Ruimu Food Co., Ltd. in Guangzhou City
    40
    Over the shelf life of
    Destroy
    Guangdong
    0401100000
    Jiashibaoba pasteurized skim milk calcium 1L
    New Zealand
    Green Valley Dairies Ltd
    Ruimu Food Co., Ltd. in Guangzhou City
    40
    Over the shelf life of
    Destroy
    Guangdong
    0401100000
    Jiashibaoba pasteurized milk modulation (chocolate flavor)
    New Zealand
    Green Valley Dairies Ltd
    Ruimu Food Co., Ltd. in Guangzhou City
    9
    Exceeded the total number of colonies
    Destroy
    Guangdong
    0401200000
    Jiashibaoba pasteurized milk 1L
    New Zealand
    Green Valley Dairies Ltd
    Ruimu Food Co., Ltd. in Guangzhou City
    40
    Over the shelf life of
    Destroy
    Guangdong
    0401200000
    Jiashibaoba pasteurized milk 2L
    New Zealand
    Green Valley Dairies Ltd
    Ruimu Food Co., Ltd. in Guangzhou City
    40
    Over the shelf life of
    Destroy
    Guangdong
    0401200000
    Jiashibaoba pasteurized milk 300mL
    New Zealand
    Green Valley Dairies Ltd
    Ruimu Food Co., Ltd. in Guangzhou City
    9
    Over the shelf life of
    Destroy
    Guangdong
    0401200000
    Jiashibaoba pasteurized milk 300mL
    New Zealand
    Green Valley Dairies Ltd
    Ruimu Food Co., Ltd. in Guangzhou City
    9
    Over the shelf life of
    Destroy
    Guangdong
    0401200000
    Jiashibaoba pasteurized milk 2L
    New Zealand
    Green Valley Dairies Ltd
    Ruimu Food Co., Ltd. in Guangzhou City
    36
    Over the shelf life of
    Destroy
    Guangdong
    0401200000
    Jiashibaoba pasteurized milk 2L
    New Zealand
    Green Valley Dairies Ltd
    Ruimu Food Co., Ltd. in Guangzhou City
    40
    Over the shelf life of
    Destroy
    Guangdong
    0401200000
    Jiashibaoba pasteurized milk 1L
    New Zealand
    Green Valley Dairies Ltd
    Ruimu Food Co., Ltd. in Guangzhou City
    40
    Over the shelf life of
    Destroy
    Guangdong
    0401200000
    Jiashibaoba pasteurized milk 300mL
    New Zealand
    Green Valley Dairies Ltd
    Ruimu Food Co., Ltd. in Guangzhou City
    9
    Over the shelf life of
    Destroy
    Guangdong
    0401200000
    Jiashibaoba pasteurized milk 1L
    New Zealand
    Green Valley Dairies Ltd
    Ruimu Food Co., Ltd. in Guangzhou City
    32
    Over the shelf life of
    Destroy
    Guangdong

    Edit: It seems other companies ship Green Valley milk to China, so Oravida might not be connected. Seems worth asking though.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22830 posts Report Reply

  • Chris Waugh, in reply to Russell Brown,

    AGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Google mistranslate!

    Well, as you can see, it does well enough with lists and technical terms - the kinds of things for which there is a direct correlation between words in L1 and L2, but even then "Jiashibaoba pasteurized" probably is better rendered as "Jiashibao [because product name - don't translate, only transliterate, unless you can find an official English name] pasteurised". The garbled grammar of the first bit, though... Well, you get a good enough idea. I've certainly seen worse machine translation.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 2401 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Russell Brown,

    What was the date of Collins’ China trip?

    I know Chris Trotter isn't too popular around these parts but he has a timeline of sorts

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to Chris Waugh,

    Yeah, I know Hebei doesn't have a Waikato climate (having Googled it). I guess it's strictly cows in sheds there, but it's near enough to Beijing for "town supply".

    My point is really that there are plenty of places in the world with a reasonably cow-friendly climate and undeveloped dairying.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    I know Chris Trotter isn’t too popular around these parts but he has a timeline of sorts

    It was October 23, presumably around the time Oravida was having shipments knocked back.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22830 posts Report Reply

  • Chris Waugh, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    near enough to Beijing for “town supply”.

    And access to power. I'm guessing here.

    And yeah, sorry, I got your point, just I replied rather incompetently.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 2401 posts Report Reply

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