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  • Steve Barnes,

    As I said, don't underestimate the deterrent effect of a patent or patent application.

    As I said

    If you have enough money "All of your patent are belong to us".

    You must acknowledge that the only people that make real money out of patents... are Lawyers, Shriley?
    ;-)

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report

  • Steve Barnes,

    Actually, that's not quite true. There was that guy that invented cat's eyes. Who passed away leaving a fortune worth, almost, £193,500, he could have almost bought a reasonably sized flat in Peckham for that.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report

  • Ian Dalziel,

    the ACTApus - armless suckers?
    apparently IP address means Intellectual Property address! with the UK's new Digital Economy Bill.

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7953 posts Report

  • Steve Barnes,

    apparently IP address means Intellectual Property address! with the UK's new Digital Economy, Bill.

    Who is this Bill? Is it the same Bill who sent me this?

    1. A bicycle can't stand alone; it is two tired.
    2. A will is a dead giveaway.
    3. Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.
    4. A backward poet writes inverse.
    5. A chicken crossing the road: poultry in motion.
    6. When a clock is hungry it goes back four seconds.
    7. The guy who fell onto an upholstery machine was fully recovered.
    8. You are stuck with your debt if you can't budge it.
    9. He broke into song because he couldn't find the key.
    10. A calendar's days are numbered.
    11. A boiled egg is hard to beat.
    12. He had a photographic memory which was never developed.
    13. The short fortune-teller who escaped from prison: a small medium at large.
    14. Those who get too big for their britches will be exposed in the end.
    15. When you've seen one shopping centre you've seen a mall.
    16. If you jump off a Paris bridge, you are in Seine.
    17. When she saw her first strands of grey hair, she thought she'd dye.
    18. Santa's helpers are subordinate clauses.
    19. Acupuncture: a jab well done.
    20. Marathon runners with bad shoes suffer the agony of de feet.
    21. The roundest knight at king Arthur's round table was Sir Cumference. He acquired his size from too much pi.
    22. I thought I saw an eye doctor on an Alaskan island, but it turned out to be an optical Aleutian.
    23. She was only a whisky maker, but he loved her still.
    24. A rubber band pistol was confiscated from algebra class because it was a weapon of math disruption.
    25. No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationery.
    26. A dog gave birth to puppies near the road and was cited for littering.
    27. Two silk worms had a race. They ended up in a tie.
    28. A hole has been found in the nudist camp wall. The police are looking into it.
    29. Atheism is a non-prophet organization.
    30. I wondered why the baseball kept getting bigger. Then it hit me.
    31. A sign on the lawn at a drug rehab centre said: 'Keep off the Grass.'
    32. A small boy swallowed some coins and was taken to a hospital.
    When his grandmother telephoned to ask how he was, a
    nurse said, 'No change yet.'

    Well, at least I spared you the large blue comic sans font and the centre justified text.
    Oh yeah. Sorry Ian, you know what I'm like with commas.
    :-)

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report

  • Islander,

    first laugh of the day- thanks Steve Barnes!
    (Tho' Ian-the-dazzle has raised some sort of whimpery snickers-)

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report

  • ScottY,

    You must acknowledge that the only people that make real money out of patents... are Lawyers, Shriley?

    Happily no. I'll give you just a couple of examples I've been involved in recently. I have an NZ client who about a month ago got paid a seven figure sum on the strength of its patent portfolio.

    I have another NZ SME client who is about to sign a licensing deal that will probably net it several million bucks in royalties over the next few years, if all goes to plan. If the client hadn't patented its invention it would not have anything of value to license.

    There are plenty of patent success stories. All praise the great patent god!

    West • Since Feb 2009 • 794 posts Report

  • Steve Barnes,

    Aha!!!
    But.
    Patents can become just more bits of paper that get traded, the same way that junk bonds and CDO's were in the good old days.
    I'm sure private equity investment vehicles do due diligence and have teams of experts on board to accurately asses the value of such delights as complex patents. Just like they had experts on board to asses the value of those leveraged deals done over lunch in, say, Fanny Mae's canteen. The point is I suppose. Does the system still encourage innovation or is it becoming just another aspect of big global business?.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report

  • ScottY,

    Does the system still encourage innovation

    If a patent system didn't exist to reward investment in innovation, there'd be much less investment in R&D. That seems obvious. Businesspeople don't generally put money into R&D out of altruism.

    West • Since Feb 2009 • 794 posts Report

  • Robbie Siataga,

    BTW has anyone else been gutted by the fact that, a lot of mp3 album blogs and links from forums have been wiped from existence in the last few months ?

    Since Feb 2010 • 259 posts Report

  • Matthew Poole,

    Businesspeople don't generally put money into R&D out of altruism.

    In NZ they don't put money into R&D at all, as we've seen. Clearly the patent system is far from the only motivator to innovate.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2007 • 4097 posts Report

  • ScottY,

    In NZ they don't put money into R&D at all, as we've seen.

    They don't invest enough into R&D, sure. But it's wrong to say they don't put money into R&D at all.

    There are all sorts of reasons why businesses don't invest in R&D. That's an entirely different discussion. But I'm pretty certain there would be even less investment without a good patents system.

    West • Since Feb 2009 • 794 posts Report

  • Sacha,

    Certainly if we want more VC-funded innovative businesses then we will need good IP regulatory systems - and we have those. Understanding and managing investment risk is also a two-way street and our property-skewed market and woeful private sector R&D spend has not helped spread the right skills and knowledge around widely.

    The argument is that the balance globally, particularly in copyright, has tipped well away from the consumer in whose name the whole system was established. Anti-competitive Mickey Mouse greed has a lot to do with that. Propping up antiquated business models in perpetuity is the antithesis of a flourishing and prosperous business ecosystem. We can do better, unless we sell ourselves out for some baubles and a pat on the head from daddy.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report

  • Kumara Republic,

    Anti-competitive Mickey Mouse greed has a lot to do with that. Propping up antiquated business models in perpetuity is the antithesis of a flourishing and prosperous business ecosystem. We can do better, unless we sell ourselves out for some baubles and a pat on the head from daddy.

    Too right. The Sonny Bono Act all started with a mouse.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5446 posts Report

  • Steve Barnes,

    Propping up antiquated business models in perpetuity is the antithesis of a flourishing and prosperous business ecosystem. We can do better,

    Trouble is, Sacha, that the antiquated business models that get the focus from the likes of us are not the same antiquated business models looked at by the likes of John Key and his private equity investors.
    To them an antiquated model is one that exists for its customers and suppliers not its shareholders. A business is a conduit between supplier and market (consumer) once it steps out of that zone it is merely a parasite. The new model is more like a "Better" parasite.
    We could, possibly look forward to an entertainment industry that doesn't rely on those pesky artists with all their different products. We will see and hear "Better" more "Popular" stuff

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report

  • Sacha,

    In creative industries it is the middlemen who are losing their privileged spot, not the creators. International finance and parasitic speculation, on the other hand..

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Too right. The Sonny Bono Act all started
    with a mouse.

    then it was all downhill for Senator Sonny and ended
    with a tree ...

    ...raised some sort of whimpery snickers...

    sounds like a brand of ecclesiastical underwear...
    take it away Mr Fellini...

    Wear-a-bull art anyone?
    (I love the way that bull
    not only means
    "an uncastrated male bovine beast",
    as well as "a Papal edict"
    and also
    "stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense"
    English eh, ya gotta love it
    (hate to learn it though...)

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7953 posts Report

  • Dylan Mordaunt,

    Auckland • Since Nov 2007 • 22 posts Report

  • Sacha,

    Great news. Unlike the pessimistic commenters on that Ars post, I am glad that public action is producing some backdowns. I know that does not mean the content of the agreement will necessarily change. Publication nonetheless makes it easier to pile more pressure on our governments to behave like they report to us, not to Hollywood and big pharma.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report

  • Steve Barnes,

    There is a particular trait that has been becoming more prevalent in political disclosure of late. It smacks of disingenuous denials. The number of times we have been told that "nothing has been agreed" or "there is no plan" as a way of settling public disquiet about agendas that are obscured if not hidden. As I said up-thread..

    The reason for the secrecy is the same as it always is, they want the law in place before anybody has the chance to oppose it.

    This may seem to be not worth pointing out, it may even seem like "Business as usual" by the more cynical amongst us, but that is precisely the point, it seems innocuous, inevitable even, part of the process.
    My point is that the frequency of this kind of obfuscation over back-room dealing is becoming the norm, just like urgency.
    What the fuck happened to Democracy?.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report

  • Sacha,

    My point is that the frequency of this kind of obfuscation over back-room dealing is becoming the norm, just like urgency.

    What the fuck happened to Democracy?.

    Those who support it are doing a poor job of explaining what it means, whereas those who benefit from its absence are doing a sterling job of destroying it.

    Seems to be alarmingly widespread public acceptance that ends justify means, so process is not worth paying attention to. Unless it's vacuous celeb-level personality stuff like this today about dear leader's overseas jaunt or this twaddle about Boag's friendly machinations.

    A notable local example as you say is this government's consistent and blatant use of parliamentary urgency and late provision of Bills under consideration to restrict scrutiny and accountability to electors, including eliminating members' days. Where's the protest?

    Anti-democratic supercity arrangements, exactly the same. Replacing an elected local body (Canturbury's regional council, ECan) without due process for the first time in our history, same.

    Need way better organised opposition that we have seen from the tired warriors of the trad left. Watching how much more successful these local copyright-related campaigns have been reassures me that all hope is not lost just yet.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report

  • Kumara Republic,

    Need way better organised opposition that we have seen from the tired warriors of the trad left. Watching how much more successful these local copyright-related campaigns have been reassures me that all hope is not lost just yet.

    How about the gherao?

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5446 posts Report

  • Sacha,

    The good folk of Christchurch might finally be waking up to their shafting. Hope they're smart enough to encircle the Beehive rather than the ECan building.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report

  • Islander,

    Keep an eye open for certain iwi reactions...TRONT are not happy about the dumping of ECan.

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report

  • Sacha,

    But they were "consulted" - just like Sideshow Bob was.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report

  • Sacha,

    Education standards give a taste of what can happen when decisions affect many people directly. More and more families will be dealing with the fallout of government policy like deliberate moves to cut support services for vulnerable older people.

    I hope their anger is directed at the Minister of Health whose key performance measures for DHBs do not relate at all to their considerable role in aged care. It's no accident that such services are the first to be cut.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report

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