Hard News by Russell Brown

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Hard News: The sole party of government

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  • Tze Ming Mok,

    I was surprised to be deprived even of the schadenfreude of National being forced to deal with Winston.

    SarfBank, Lunnin' • Since Nov 2006 • 154 posts Report Reply

  • Euan Mason,

    The Cameron Slater connection, suppression of democracy in Canterbury, and apparent political dallying with the OIA process are appalling. Couple those with failure in climate change policy, the abandonment of poor people, foul governance and diminishing democracy in education, the GCSB legislation, and unswimmable waterways, and these are not my leaders.

    David Cunliffe is a good man, but he didn’t connect with voters and couldn’t foot it with JK, the master media manipulator. For the good of NZ he needs to resign as leader.

    Canterbury • Since Jul 2008 • 259 posts Report Reply

  • Tze Ming Mok,

    From out here, with Key looking ahead to a fourth term and the whole National campaign being based seemingly on promises to do as little as possible while invoking the name of Aunty Helen (not, if I recall correctly, a National Prime Minster), they are at least going to stick to the rhetoric of the centre if not the substance. I expect slow erosion and piecemeal sops like PPPs for muesli bars in schools.

    SarfBank, Lunnin' • Since Nov 2006 • 154 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    With Crusher back in, I guess operational matters will get the boost needed to keep NZers ill informed. Now that the Election has passed, will Jason Ede be back on the 9th Floor, 2 doors down from JK?

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Euan Mason, in reply to Tze Ming Mok,

    Tze, if they were planning to do as little as possible then I'd heave a sigh of relief. Look out for direct Ministerial control of universities, privatisation of education and prisons, lower taxes for the rich & corporates, lower wages for those at the bottom, and even more punitive rules for the down and out in our society.

    Canterbury • Since Jul 2008 • 259 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen,

    Deleted, cause I fail at reading.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4458 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Euan Mason,

    David Cunliffe is a good man, but he didn’t connect with voters and couldn’t foot it with JK, the master media manipulator. For the good of NZ he needs to resign as leader.

    Meh... I feel rather queasy standing up for Cunliffe (who I actually thought was solid if unspectacular), but unless he actually dictated every aspect of the campaign he deserves to get bumped down the queue of people waiting to get thrown under that bus. Of all people, Jeanette Fitzsimon made a good point on Nat Radio earlier -- in times of uncertainty a lot of people's instincts are small-c conservative. I definitely think it was was true in '02 and, to a lesser extent, three years later. I knew a hell of a lot of people who weren't tribal Labour, but they were doing OK more or less and the alternative was unconvincing if not actively terrifying. This morning Cunliffe kept talking about "a mood for change", but at the risk of being catty a million or so voters begged to differ - and their votes counted.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Tze Ming Mok, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    Not sure which bit of the screen you are looking at there, but to me it looks like the. Nat party vote in Roskill actually decreased on 2011. Same pattern in Mt Albert.

    SarfBank, Lunnin' • Since Nov 2006 • 154 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Euan Mason,

    David Cunliffe is a good man, but he didn’t connect with voters

    Well, he phoned us on Friday night, too (as others have commented), seemed affable enough, forceful, but wouldn't say how he got our number, or answer a straight question, then we were disconnected, before I could pursue it further...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7939 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen, in reply to Tze Ming Mok,

    Yeah I deleted my fail.

    I still think there is something weird going on with people who vote Goff but party vote National. They need to be understood.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4458 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    With Crusher back in

    LALALALALA
    I can't hear you!

    :- (

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7939 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Unless Labour can figure out why and change themselves to fit what the voters actually want instead of what internal and external pundits think they want, then Labour becomes (an irrelevant) minor party.

    Are you suggesting they use the exact same strategy that the National party has been using?

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4411 posts Report Reply

  • izogi,

    I have been fairly confident that the tangle of Dirty Politics and the more recent, alarming evidence that the official information process is being corrupted would have to be examined in public over the next year. Now, I’m not so sure.

    This is the stuff that goes beyond policy, and right into the integrity of government, especially the alleged direct violations of law and the Cabinet Manual. I'm hoping that National Party members will still take serious notice of all this stuff, now that the election's out of everyone's face, and demand improvement.

    I'm not hoping very optimistically, though. Does anyone have a gauge on whether NP internals are treating it seriously? Or is it just being seen as a giant pre-election conspiracy?

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 1139 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    I’m still trying to find the total voter turnout. Someone please spare me the trouble of reading the Herald. My own calculation is that it’s 69.8%, but I don’t claim those are solid figures.

    ETA: I'm also surprised that this number got no air that I could discern on the news I was stuck watching last night. It was held up a lot the time before.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10650 posts Report Reply

  • Tze Ming Mok, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    Goff has been Roskill's MP since time began (barring those weird few years with Gilbert Myles) and he's to the right of the Labour Party.

    SarfBank, Lunnin' • Since Nov 2006 • 154 posts Report Reply

  • william blake,

    It seems the conservative right have skewed MMP, the right block won this election as if it were FPP. Seemingly, the only way to slay the beast is by forming a similar behemoth on the left. It does not seem that Kiwis understand the benefits nor want the politics of difference and compromise.

    Since Mar 2010 • 380 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    I still think there is something weird going on with people who vote Goff but party vote National. They need to be understood.

    I think a pause to actually check all the figures and analyze what really actually happened is important. Because I just don't buy how it is being spun by the triumphant owners of a small minority generated mostly by overhang.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10650 posts Report Reply

  • Keir Leslie,

    People like Goff, Mallard, King, Dyson, but don't like the Labour Party. So they'll vote for those MPs, but not the Party. It's a big problem for Labour.

    Since Jul 2008 • 1452 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to william blake,

    Seemingly, the only way to slay the beast is by forming a similar behemoth on the left.

    I still don't buy this. I think last night was proof that no such behemoth exists any more. There is a small party with support of a diminishing number of old people, which once had wide appeal. It's not like Labour haven't been trying to be this behemoth. Their only real success of the night was killing Mana and the Internet party, but not by growing their own base, just tactically killing the coat-tailing on the left. It seems to me that the problem this election is just the same as the last one - that basically the youth didn't vote. I'd love to be corrected, but it looks like that problem only got worse this time.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10650 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie, in reply to Euan Mason,

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    David Cunliffe is a good man, but he didn’t connect with voters and couldn’t foot it with JK, the master media manipulator. For the good of NZ he needs to resign as leader.

    The Herald quote says it all.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1434 posts Report Reply

  • Wildo,

    I think two things destroyed Labour, firstly changing the party laws to get more women MPs just pissed off male voters and didn't gain them any female voters. Secondly trying to pretend that dirty politics wasn't happening and trying to remain above the fray just sucked all the oxygen out of their campaign and sidelined them into irrelevance.

    Auckland • Since Sep 2014 • 10 posts Report Reply

  • Euan Mason, in reply to BenWilson,

    Ben, one of the few things that Labour got right was realising that the Internet/Mana alliance would fail to get public support. I have met so many centrist voters who have said that they are concerned about neoliberal policies but can't back a left coalition that might include "that criminal" Dotcom.

    Canterbury • Since Jul 2008 • 259 posts Report Reply

  • Amanda Wreckonwith, in reply to Keir Leslie,

    'People like Goff, Mallard, King, Dyson' - these guys are not well liked in my rural social circles. They are just a reminder of the old Labour Party that is now as dowdy and worn as they are.
    I would say - 'People in their electorates know them well, don't have big issues with them and 'will trade again'.
    Labour will need to do a hell of a lot more than rely on this if they want to regain power.

    Since Sep 2012 • 171 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Tze Ming Mok,

    and he’s to the right of the Labour Party.

    Goff is the voice of reason for Labourites. He is still there alongside all the old school Roskill residents. I vote Goff because he's red. Simple as that. I don't get emotionally involved other than to be strategic. I voted early so not sure if I have been counted yet? Being a bible belt, would not have been beneficial for the more progressive platform offered I suppose, and more and more people don't want to get involved with any debate on any subject . Would rather not rock the boat. It's weird. Our churchees along the road were voting Conservative. He was at their church. They would have been Labour before.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • JonathanM,

    "The “swing” towards National in Mt Roskill was actually a matter of Labour’s voters staying home."

    Nope. Total voters were down in Mt Roskill, but Goff got almost the same proportion (very slightly lower) as did the Nat candidate (very slightly lower) with a slightly higher proportion going to Coates compared to Genter last time. However, the party vote change is a swing: While Goff is liked, his party isn't. A higher Green vote in Mt Roskill, so Labour looks like it's lost net support a little to Green but mostly to Nats.

    Since Jul 2012 • 64 posts Report Reply

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