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Hard News: The silence of the public square

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  • steven crawford, in reply to Lucy Telfar Barnard,

    *I think I recall Phil Goff having exactly that shouted at him in the days of student loan protests.

    That was, fuck-fuck, fuck Phil Goff. Played regularly on radio B.

    Here is a link to the remix. Caution: not work safe, contains nudity and fucking.




    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4411 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Pat from State of Mind, who played the gig and was standing sidestage at the time, says the chant was going in the audience long before Dotcom got on stage, which makes sense. It's not actually a new thing.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22825 posts Report Reply

  • Josh Petyt,

    I would have thought riffing on the 'off' would have worked best.
    i..e. "Fuck off, Phil Goff!"

    Japan • Since Apr 2014 • 44 posts Report Reply

  • Pete George, in reply to Russell Brown,

    It's a new thing in campaign rallies though isn't it?

    I suspect if a Colin Craig campaign meeting broke into a similar chant directed at Laila Harre she would be very offended again.

    Dotcom (wasn't he supposed to be taking a back seat to the party?), Harre and Harawira can campaign how they like, but it makes their preciousness about taking offence (Harawira versus Davis, Harre versus Key) look a bit lame.

    An in my opinion this is all a bad change in electioneering. No wonder Labour are gradually distancing themselves trying to maintain their Vote Positive slogan, no wonder Greens and NZ First already ready the warning signs.

    If IMP end up holding the balance of power with Labour and Greens in government I think there's good cause to have concerns about what that may lead to.

    Dunedin • Since Dec 2011 • 139 posts Report Reply

  • linger,

    If National end up holding power without any effective checks or balances, there is even better reason -- based on past performance and signalled policies, rather than on fear and uncertainty -- to have concerns about what that may lead to.

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1923 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Aaand … some footage from an hour before Dotcom got on stage. Guess what the crowd’s chanting.

    People can decide for themselves what they think about it, but there really has been some bullshit spouted about this today. Especially the Nazi comparisons.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22825 posts Report Reply

  • Pete George, in reply to Russell Brown,

    But the Internet Party have chosen to promote video of it. Laila seems to have no control over what they put out, and every time it happens it makes her job harder.

    Especially the Nazi comparisons.

    I'll tell my German friend who was disgusted by the immediate impression they got to pull their head in then. They carry a heavy burden still but too bad, eh. This is how Kivis do their politics now.

    Dunedin • Since Dec 2011 • 139 posts Report Reply

  • Keir Leslie,

    This is actually absurd. Saying rude words is maybe rude, but it's not immoral.

    Since Jul 2008 • 1452 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Lucy Telfar Barnard,

    When Pierre Trudeau was Canadian PM during the 1970s, he once told truckies who had downed tools to ‘mangez de la merde!’ And King Juan Carlos of Spain retorted ‘¿Pour que no te callas?’ to Hugo Chavez.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5429 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    I thought we overthrew fascism in 2008? That's what the Farrar/Boscawen marchers were saying on their placards, anyway. Complete with Helen/Hitler comparisons and such.

    But they were saying "fight fascism", not "fight fucking fascism", so that was OK.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1329 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to Russell Brown,

    everything to do with rhythm and scan

    I believe the correct chant is:

    Fuck John Key.
    Rather you than me!

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Carol Stewart, in reply to Russell Brown,

    And things just continue to get weirder. Now Jamie Whyte is recommending that NZ emulate Fiji in its approach to race relations!

    Wellington • Since Jul 2008 • 825 posts Report Reply

  • andin, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    You mean John Voldemort Key?

    Yeah, because someone who (whether you like it or not) is still Prime Minister after not one but two free, fair and credible general elections is exactly like a fictional mass murderer.

    No! If I may speak for you Judi. She was doing a play on the danyl's words, these one's "not mentioning the PM’s name." and making an allusion to the whispered "He who cant be named" about a fictional evil wizard, in the recently popular kids novels and films.
    Nothing sinister in it

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1890 posts Report Reply

  • Mikaere Curtis, in reply to Pete George,

    If IMP end up holding the balance of power with Labour and Greens in government I think there’s good cause to have concerns about what that may lead to.

    Things like our spooks actually obeying the rule of law ? Key being held accountable for any lies he may have stated during the whole KDC fubar ? Or perhaps we will see National MPs Godwinning ?

    Tamaki Makaurau • Since Nov 2006 • 528 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Pete George,

    But the Internet Party have chosen to promote video of it. Laila seems to have no control over what they put out, and every time it happens it makes her job harder.

    Holy crap, your right. Laila Harre will have to use her political skills, rather than follow a carefully choreographed script.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4411 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    I believe the correct chant is:Fuck John Key.Rather you than me!

    That'll do

    If Key thinks Harre is a prostitute, he can get fucked as far as I'm concerned. He has set the bar on the campaign trail. The "sugar daddy" comment was as low as you can go so Fuck John key ,have to be you,not me!

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    I’ll tell my German friend who was disgusted by the immediate impression they got to pull their head in then.

    What the hell Germans have to do with it, I do not know.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4411 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Mikaere Curtis,

    Or perhaps we will see National MPs Godwinning ?

    So far, they've invoked Reductio ad Stalinum, and I suspect not just with last year's NZ Power announcement by the Opposition.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5429 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    If Key thinks Harre is a prostitute, he can get fucked as far as I’m concerned. He has set the bar on the campaign trail. The “sugar daddy” comment was as low as you can go so Fuck John key ,have to be you,not me!

    Key’s “sugar daddy” shade was weird (and offensive), because last time I looked no election campaign is self-financing. If you want to call me a National sugar daddy, Sofie, go to – I’ve been called a lot worse, and with less cause.

    That said, “but they did it first!” is an excuse I don’t tolerate from children. Lilla Harre is not a child. Would anyone be praising a video of a room full of Young Nats chanting “FUCK LILLA HARRE!” as (as I quote) “a true representation of youth expression”? (Sidebar: And isn’t it just a little insulting to “youth”, plenty of who are passionate and engaged in politics without cussing like Malcolm Tucker on steroids.) I’d be embarrassed and angry, and I’d certainly expect anyone in National who posted such a thing to pull it after issuing a grovelling apology.

    NOBODY is beyond criticism, or even the occasional naughty word, but EVERYBODY gets to be responsible for their choices and actions. That simple.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

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    Would anyone be praising a video of a room full of Young Nats chanting “FUCK LILLA HARRE!” as (as I quote) “a true representation of youth expression”?

    That's academic. The Young Nats have a different expression.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4411 posts Report Reply

  • Pete George,

    Laila Harre:

    “When you get a room of a thousand young people together and you give them a political message, then they will respond that young people respond to politics.

    “The response that those young people is typical of youth expression, and we’re not about censoring youth expression.”

    Pissed people chanting at the end of a gig is likely to have little to do with politics, except for those trying to demonstrate popular support for a political party.

    But regardless of what thoughts were in the minds of the chanting crowd they have a right to chant what they like.

    But apparently anyone who perceived Nazi connotations in Dotcom's performance (and many apparently did) should shut the fuck up about it.

    Russell Brown @publicaddress
    More dimwitted Nazi analogies from a “political marketing specialist” even more deluded than Claire Robinson:

    @PeteDGeorge @ManaParty @nzlabour Your “Nazi connotations” are pop-cultural ignorance + lazy ethnic bigotry.

    Godwin ist verboten, even though expressing immediate impressions is not very Godwinning.

    Dunedin • Since Dec 2011 • 139 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Judd,

    You can perceive whatever you like, Pete. You just don't get to insist you're correct or have the last word, any more than anyone else.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3122 posts Report Reply

  • Pete George, in reply to Stephen Judd,

    I wasn't insisting on anything like that then Stephen. Ironically you are the one who seems insistent I "don't get to".

    Dunedin • Since Dec 2011 • 139 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    If you want to call me a National sugar daddy, Sofie, go to

    I wouldn't Craig , that would be lowering myself to a John Key standard. Unfortunately also "they did it first" was exactly what the National Government have used for ohh, every excuse to explain their sick behaviour for around 6 years now but I guess I shouldn't lower myself to that standard either.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to steven crawford,

    Oh Steven, I feel a bit queasy now ;)

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

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