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Hard News: The perils of political confidence

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  • Sacha, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    they're entitled to exactly the same recourse to the law as everyone else

    I'll bear that in mind next time I invite the media to my photo op

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19707 posts Report Reply

  • Andrew Geddis, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    Steve,

    No. Lange v Atkinson related to the question of whether there exists a qualified privilege defence for an individual who is sued in defamation by a politician, on the basis of things the individual says about the politician's public actions. It has nothing to do with privacy.

    And what law does the PunkAs commentator think the Herald should be prosecuted under, if it doesn't publish the recording? The law of "not doing what I want"?

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2007 • 206 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Andrew Geddis,

    And what law does the PunkAs commentator think the Herald should be prosecuted under, if it doesn’t publish the recording? The law of “not doing what I want”?

    That is what I thought too.
    The fact that Key has gone to the trouble of involving the police would tend to make people think there was something worth hiding, however, I would not be at all surprised if National release the tapes themselves just before the election showing that there was nothing of importance in them thus stifling more important issues and making Key appear to be "open and honest"
    I do still stand by what I said earlier that it is about Peters being considered for a position in a coalition.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Sacha,

    I’ll bear that in mind next time I invite the media to my photo op

    Oh, Sasha - I think there are legitimate ethical questions here, and assessing any possible illegality is way above my pay grade. But, yeah, my hackles start to ripple when folks think saying "photo op" shuts down any argument. I've just submitted to The Listener my review of the new Stephen King. My review copy was under a pre-publication embargo. I could have been a smart-arse and printed an embargo-busting review here, and it's an open question whether such embargoes are legally binding or enforceable. Don't think, however, Russell or The Listener would particularly want to die in a ditch testing that in court. (Nor, to be honest, would I blame Guy Somerset for deciding my services were less valuable to him that his relationship with King's publisher.)

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    my review of the new Stephen King

    Lots of people die in an impressively bloody manner and there aren't too many big words.

    Does that break the embargo?

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Could be worse (warning: contains echinacea).

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19707 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    another King

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19707 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Russell Brown,

    As Judi Lapsley Miller predicted in this very thread earlier today!

    It is, after all, a fairly straightforward question that could be put to ACT without needing to hear any secret tapes. They're standing Banks and not Brash in the electorate. This means there is every chance Banks could end up in Parliament and Brash could miss out.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10650 posts Report Reply

  • merc,

    Oh what a tangled web we weave...there is no honour in this.

    Since Dec 2006 • 2471 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    a fairly straightforward question that could be put to ACT

    The 3 News story.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19707 posts Report Reply

  • David Hood,

    Perhaps the government could seek to retroactively change the law to make clear the taping was legal.

    Maybe not.

    Dunedin • Since May 2007 • 1445 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    Another John, this time Campbell asked Brash if he thought Banks would be honest to him if his leadership was at stake after the Election. Remember TV3 know what's init.
    Brash thinks so. Yes.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Kracklite, in reply to Sacha,

    Ha!

    NZ First leader Winston Peters told 3 News he thought Mr Key should “release them”

    And this morning on RNZ Winnie was saying that the media were engaging in despicable, illegal News of the World tactics and that was all there was to it. A day is a long time in politics.

    I'm not surprised, of course - not that anyone would be surprised by his antics.

    The Library of Babel • Since Nov 2007 • 982 posts Report Reply

  • Leopold,

    Bit of a fake brouhaha cooked up between Joyce and Herald management to keep any Green and or Labour policy launches off the front pages? (Zac was just a one day drunk wonder?

    Since Jan 2007 • 153 posts Report Reply

  • thegirlstefan,

    A few minutes ago I was called on my landline to participate in a NZ Herald Digi Poll, for my opinion on current election-related events.

    Amongst the questions you'd expect - how are you voting for: party/electorate/MMP referendum- and a couple around National Standards, moving to Australia etc.

    I was surprised that there were none about "Tapegate" and one randomly thrown in the middle: "Of these leaders, who do you think would be kindest to animals?". The choice being the 5 male party leaders (no Turia/Turei).

    so, does this mean that the NZH is backing away entirely, or just that Hamilton-based pollsters have been won over by Phil Goff's Twitter feed?

    Aotearoa • Since Oct 2011 • 42 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Kracklite,

    A day is a long time in Winnie's mind

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19707 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to thegirlstefan,

    So, do they ask the "how are you voting" question first, or after the topic and personality ones?

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to thegirlstefan,

    I was surprised that there were none about "Tapegate"

    too recent

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19707 posts Report Reply

  • Kracklite,

    Oh fuck it, I'm voting for Vespasian. He was witty, even if he is dead now.

    The Library of Babel • Since Nov 2007 • 982 posts Report Reply

  • thegirlstefan, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    they ask if you're the householder, over 18, and enrolled to vote- then the questions- then the demographic stuff.

    The woman talked at the start and conclusion about how it wasn't a sales pitch and about how I was in the draw to win a $500 voucher.

    I don't think it was too soon for a question about the tape- one was about if recent activity by ACT had "discredited" it

    Aotearoa • Since Oct 2011 • 42 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Key seems to be going all PC gone mad about this privacy stuff. I for one am not voting for the brighter future policy now, just because.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4411 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to thegirlstefan,

    one was about if recent activity by ACT had “discredited” it

    That could be any time.
    ;-)

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • thegirlstefan, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    True that.

    Hone's wiping the floor in the Te Tai Tokerau debate on Maori TV Presidential, yet with a comforting amount of swearing just so you know he he hasn't been bodysnatched.

    And some quality questions too.

    Aotearoa • Since Oct 2011 • 42 posts Report Reply

  • Ian MacKay,

    It has been said that the Key Department is very very sensitive about staff Security- almost paranoiac.

    Bleheim • Since Nov 2006 • 498 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    Lots of people die in an impressively bloody manner and there aren’t too many big words.

    Does that break the embargo?

    I'm afraid to ask. :) But journalists accept access restrictions, some reasonable and others not so much, all the time. Doesn't immediately follow that there's some evil secret agenda in play. Really. Promise.

    NZ First leader Winston Peters told 3 News he thought Mr Key should “release them”

    Third grossest thing on Three News tonight behind the epically vile concern trolling of Zac Guildford and the vaginal deodorant advert. (I thought stinky vag freshener had gone out with the corset and the marcel wave. Who said you never learn jack from the news?)

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

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