Hard News: The March for Democracy
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Goff does a Brash and plays the race card
Man. Can we have a leader of the left? Anyone but this one?
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Kai Tahu settled first (or there abouts) on the explicite terms that they won't lose on the deal, subject to any further dealings with other iwi etc.
I'm not in favour of TRONTs residential developments (Pegusus & Marshlands), but this must be looked at in the light of Kemps purchase land set aside for Kai Tahuriri in North Canty has & continues to be starved of services or outright bans on Development. That was its explicite purpose as stated in the Kemp deal.
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If he wanted to keep it about corporate buyout of the ETS (as he damn well should have) then he could have done it without those bits wrapped around it.
Did he even try and do that, or was it just another excuse to trot out the "Maori Party has not only sold out the bros on Struggle Street to their iwi elite mates, but are fomenting racial divisions" meme. I guess bagging dairy farmers or big Pakeha-owned polluters wouldn't have hit the right "heel, beg, roll over" note.
Where the Maori Party is concerned, I'm just counting the days until one of the usual suspects totally loses it and escalates the rhetoric from "sell out" to "house niggers". I've got one or two folks in mind who generally just can't help themselves...
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Can Phil Goff please f**k off?
Opening wounds? For goodness sake, is there an ounce of irony in his body?
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Has anyone got a copy of that early nineties BFM hit single: fuck fuck, fuck Phil Goff?
If our country didn't like Labour last election,why like them 9 months later?Who would be good as a Labour leader? Genuine question. Curious. I am sticking to not liking Key as worst choice at this point.
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Who would be good as a Labour leader? Genuine question.
Don Brash ;). Not, of course, that he'd be eligible or willing, but lately he appears to haved moved a lot further down that inevitable road to Damascus than the benighted Goff.
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Don Brash ;). Not
Well, we were thinking David Shearer might be a bet. Other than that, no old school left, Mallard's mouth isn't diplomatic enough , and newbies seem really positive but a bit young to reach a broad audience.One thing I noticed today is when the Labour women speak they know what they are doing and that made me feel all warm fuzzies.I will always like Labour. Through some of their faults it's the best way for me to function happily in this country.
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Brendon Burns MP, take him, please!
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Who would be good as a Labour leader?
Helen Clark.
Quite possibly there is nobody at all suitable who has a term's experience in parliament and isn't on track for retirement. Maybe they could get Cullen back in on a list swap as a caretaker leader.
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Helen Clark.
Which makes it a really difficult decision to consider any of them, and time is what people forget. Y'know the thing that is required to reestablish a party. I have patience. I guess some of you don't. No worries. JMO
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If our country didn't like Labour last election,why like them 9 months later?
Believe it or not, Sofie, I might never have voted for Helen Clark but I do have a lot of respect for her -- and even when that respect dropped through it floor, it was because she was capable of so much more than her worse.
Hell, I'll even give Goff all due props for being a pretty decent foreign affairs minister. But when he slips into populist mode... eww. And as Idiot/Savant has pointed out over on No Right Turn, Labour's leadership buying into the logic of Chris Trotter's moist mash note to Winston is something nobody should welcome. I don't really care if Labour ends up handing support to the Greens and the Maori Party (or depressing its own turnout at the next election), but others might.
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Craig try write him. I think if you want to comment ,tell them.I am really appreciative that they return your mail. I think they are learning.I think anyone should write, give them a hand.Just thinking... Helen Clark was cool.
Also populist mode. Remember, competition darlin', competition. He's up against our PM :) -
For another perspective on the current Labour leader.
Into question time and a slightly more candid Goff emerged, drink having loosened the tongue I suppose. On Harawira, “Never let go off the Black Power rhetoric of the 1970s. Blah, Blah, Blah Harawira Blah Blah Blah Racist Blah, Blah.” No soul searching on how damaging the Foreshore and Seabed Act had been to the Labour-Maori relationship, and no surprise that there were few people-of-colour in attendance.
They've soul-searched on some things, but none of the things that matter to me, and I suspect to a large number of the people who have abandoned them.
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Um, Just thinking- you've got things a bit arsyboosy
*Kemp's Purchase is a separate issue(it's South);
*Kati Tuahuriri(I whakapapa to that people & area) has a wider catchment than just the Pegasus land project (which I loathe);
*almost *all* the agreements our olds signed have been devastingly broken over the years, and
*the only way we are reclaiming what we were assured of way back in the 1840's is via TRONT. -
A child is a human being, with the same powers of reason as an adult – a mind, a heart, a brain. A child is not an “almost human being”.
[quote : Deborah Coddington from the "Vote Yes site" NZ Referendum on child discipline]
Deborah , anyone who thinks a child has the same powers of reason as an adult is living in the land of illusion! -
Human brains do not wholly mature until the mid-20 (year)s-
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I think they [Labour/Goff] are learning.
I think that's the problem. He's been learning for what? 30 years? He isn't a newbie who can claim he didn't really understand what he was saying. He's learning how to dog-whistle, but hasn't got the pitch quite right yet.
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anyone who thinks a child has the same powers of reason as an adult is living in the land of illusion!
Same power is not the same as same quality. My children can certainly reason, I'd like to think not as well as me yet, but they certainly share the same power.
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Goff ... wrong on so many levels.
He's left trying to hold the ridiculous stance that he still supports the F&S consensus advanced by Cullen earlier this year -- but also that changing the law is "re-opening wounds".
And he's cut himself off from the very real and important criticisms that can be made of the Maori Party's deal on the ETS. It would be perfectly possible to suggest that the MP has sold ordinary Maori, and ordinary taxpayers, down the river -- without the kind of pandering in that speech.
His speech has had the effect of changing the focus of argument to the significant disadvantage of his own party. And probably hastened his own political demise.
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And he's cut himself off from the very real and important criticisms that can be made of the Maori Party's deal on the ETS. It would be perfectly possible to suggest that the MP has sold ordinary Maori, and ordinary taxpayers, down the river -- without the kind of pandering in that speech.
But even there, Russell, has he made similar speeches in rooms full of Fonterra executives or Federated Farmers delegates about rural New Zealand being "sold down" the river by National to line the pockets of big polluting "elites"? If he has, I'm not aware of it.
And I still say that if Labour sees political capital to be made in dog-whistling about "the Business Brown Table" and "iwi elites" it's time to find a more credible brown-neck mouthpiece than Shane Jones. Seriously -- it's about time someone pointed out to Jones that his whole adult life spent at the heart of the very networks that smoothed his way into Parliament makes the populist rage he's fronting seem rather hollow.
One more observation: The party that brought us taito Phili Field and bent over backwards to cover Winston Peters' arse has zero credibility to say John Key didn't show "leadership" over Hone Harawira. (Just as a matter of interest, how was Key supposed to discipline an electorate MP in another party. Withdraw his non-existent ministerial warrant? Tear up a coalition agreement in a way Labour never even contemplated?)
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It occurred to me yesterday what the problem with Goff is: he's the Bill English of the Left. Labour need to realize that they will never win an election with him at the helm. These latest attempts to play to the easily-impressed-by-Don-Brash crowd are embarrassing, and, frankly, an insult to Maori, who have given a level of support to Labour over the past 70 years out of all proportion to the gains they have received in return.
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But even there, Russell, has he made similar speeches in rooms full of Fontera executives or Fenderated Farmers delegates about rural New Zealand being "sold down" the river by National to line the pockets of big polluting "elites"? If he has, I'm not aware of it.
Charles Chauvel has actually been fairly eloquent on the subsidisation of large emitters in National's ETS. Goff could easily have gone there.
And, as the excellent editorial in The Listener (I'm guessing Rebecca Macfie wrote that and the equally fact-rich one on ACC) notes, it's not that the iwi grievances aren't legitimate, but tacking a side deal onto the bill to get it passed is wrong. It's too important for that.
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it's not that the iwi grievances aren't legitimate, but tacking a side deal onto the bill to get it passed is wrong. It's too important for that.
That's an argument, but I was also far from impressed with the whole "shabby backroom deals" meme Goff was pushing as well. Last time I looked, Labour in government didn't conduct negotiations with other parties or discussions with interested sector groups in front of live webcams. Never expected them to.
Playing up to Tea Bagger-lite anti-government, anti-MMP paranoia doesn't strike me as a smart or principled move either.
Then again, I've long argued that it's in everyone's interest if Labour's behaviour towards the Maori Party wasn't like a teenager who's really bitter and fucked up that the crush he's never talked to is dating the captain of the First XV.
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Islander - I'm drawing a bit of a bow for sure, linking ToW, Kemps, ToWII(Ngai Tahu Settlement), TRONT & now ETS. I'm reffering to 1848 Kemps purchase of North Canty which directly relates to the same place and people.
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if Labour's behaviour towards the Maori Party wasn't like a teenager who's really bitter and fucked up that the crush he's never talked to is dating the captain of the First XV.
i'd say its more like the jilted girlfriend from the other side of the tracks is now shagging your brother to get back at you, but fear not, sex on the rebound never lasts
if maori roll voters have shown anything its how fickle and disloyal they are to major parties and how they mostly vote along the 'cult of personality' lines. the trouble there is, goff doesnt have a personality so he's hardly likely to draw a broad spectrum cult like following.
key on the other hand still has the mythical shine of a self made man of means kiwis love to aspire to. sure he made his millions in the wild west marketeering days of tax scams and insider trading which is why he's oh so relaxed and like hone, i suspect he doesnt give a shit what the rest of NZ thinks cos when alls said and done, he's prolly gonna buy an island off bainimarama and see his days out in luxury. it's also why hes not so moneygrubbing on the perks and free accom MP's get.
like dubya, he's not accountable to anyone but the people who contributed money to put him there and if the country goes to shit while his buddies make a few more mill before the banks truly collapse then he would have served his purpose. IMHO:)
i'm still holding out for the hiphop party geared towards youth and mobilising 2.0 media to come out of nowhere and fuck the man right up
back on point...can any parallels with the march on democracy be drawn with this ?
http://philosophersansoeuvre.blogspot.com/2009/11/whenever-i-hear-word-politics-i-hear.html
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Meanwhile, not a peep out of The Standard about Goff's goof. Funny that...
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