Hard News: The fake news problem
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For anyone who wondered why the term Alt-Right has become an acceptable euphemism for Nazi, I recommend Pete Reynolds' essay, Why I Am Changing the Name of Our Puppy-Burning Movement to “Alt-Warmth”.
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andin, in reply to
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In a more global sense, progress still requires a sustainable economy
Not people acting less like self centred arseholes?
Oh thats right its all a vast conspiracy... by something....aliens? -
Dennis Frank, in reply to
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I've spent a long time trying to figure that out. There's more of a basis for taking the alien thing seriously than you'd think, but that ought not to motivate us to be distracted by it too much. Occam's Razor suggests that mass psychology has deep enough dimensions to explain social complexity without adding the et factor in.
Selfishness seems to have become amplified by capitalist marketing strategy post WW2. The atomisation thesis. Selll more product if you create more choices, so there has to be consumers with many different tastes.
Breaking down traditional social bonds created a looser matrix & greater personal autonomy. Speaking from experience, us boomers had to break free of the shackles because trad society was so repressive. We didn't need to read Orwell - we knew he was just extrapolating from our status quo. Now that the pendulum has swung to the other extreme, younger generations will have to reinvent community as a survival strategy.
Doing so when everyone is into their own thing may seem daunting, but every generation faces a collective challenge that the zeitgeist provides them, so one just has to connect up with others who sense the rising tide.
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Farmer Green, in reply to
Ecospirituality was an accepted part of the green movement long ago – probably can trace it back
Taoism.
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Farmer Green, in reply to
community as a survival strategy.
That meme has been around for a little while.
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Farmer Green, in reply to
consumers with many different tastes.
"Reduced"; "Special"; "etc".
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Joe Wylie, in reply to
Taoism.
80s Taoist vampires. My favourite kind.
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Stephen R, in reply to
Now that the pendulum has swung to the other extreme, younger generations will have to reinvent community as a survival strategy.
One of the side effects of our technology is that my community is not the people I live next to any more. I know more about and have more in common with some people in Finland than I do the people three doors down my street. And my "local" community of interest is people spread around Wellington and the rest of New Zealand more than my suburb.
I'm not sure that's a good thing, I'm not sure it's a bad thing, but it is a bit different.
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Dennis Frank, in reply to
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Yes, Stephen, I did mean community in that more general sense. It's probably happening to some extent via social media, but nowhere near enough. A sense of community will co-generate whenever/wherever folks are in frequent interaction with each other on the basis of common interests, shared values, beliefs, etc.
Once such social organisms start functioning, each will generate a distinctive culture that will become evident to observers. Having evolved as social animals, we need to belong to such groups, and their culture gives us a social ambience as part of our environment. The generic symbol for the holistic relation (of part to whole) is the circle with a dot at its center. Goes back millennia.
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andin, in reply to
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aliens
I had my tongue firmly in my cheek then.
Selfishness seems to have become amplified by capitalist marketing
And, that now totally debased thing called, new age.
FFS corporations and politicians do "self-improvement" workshops now and foist the drivel, they found sooooo involving on their company weekend away, onto employees.
Jeez Social Welfare, or whatever they call themselves now, do it in workshops for the unemployed. All it amounts to is guilt tripping everyone. And all "jobseekers" to forced to attend noweveryone is into their own thing
Sorry but that cant include your employment, what you do to earn a crust.
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Dennis Frank, in reply to
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The new age thing really did turn to custard big-time in the nineties. There was always a large quotient of delusional thinking around the various fields it encompassed since theosophy invented the concept late nineteenth century. Esoteric shit goes back millennia but you can always discover elements of reality under the dross - if you go looking for them.
Likewise the et dimension. Too many credible eyewitness accounts have been proliferating for generations to dismiss them along with the nutters. I ended up using both/and logic just like modern physics: until the observer collapses the wave function, something is real/unreal. I don't believe in them, never having seen any. Neither do I disbelieve.
Re employment & WINZ nazis, yeah, I get why they become targets to people. State agents import a distasteful set of attitudes from both left & right governments. Having retired, I can only sympathise with folks having to endure the crap still, and with employment becoming unreliable there's a worsening trend.
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andin, in reply to
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Would if i could. This is not a society many thought the young would inherit. navel gazing is pointless at this stage. It went horribly wrong in the 80's And the loud voices took control, and resurrected a hollowed out morality to browbeat their more introspect peers and force a competitive society onto us. It was a bad direction even back then.
But if your pockets are being filled conscience becomes secondary it seems. And now fake everything, spin prevails. Will it be kept up till extinction. I can only hope, no. -
nzlemming, in reply to
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80s Taoist vampires. My favourite kind.
And now, my YouTube feed is full of oriental vampire movies. Thanks, Joe.
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Farmer Green, in reply to
not a society many thought the young would inherit.
I’m sure that the “guardians” of the society that we kiddies of the sixties inherited , expressed similar views.
That did not stop us from turning the whole thing on its head ; the young of today have the same opportunity to rock the boat.
I attended a catholic boys boarding school for five years in the sixties ; it needed a
” refresh” and it sure as hell got one, at some cost to those of us who endured the rattan cane that was the main weapon of the “old guard”.
But there was no chance that they were going to break us ; indestructible youth :-) -
That did not stop us from turning the whole thing on its head
But you didn’t, not really, not in New Zealand.
Keith Holyoake ————-–> Bill English.
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Farmer Green, in reply to
True, but the cane is no longer in use , and the school in question no longer has priests as "masters".
Still teaching the same bullshit in "Christian Doctrine", probably. -
mark taslov, in reply to
True, I have never been caned. Sandled, strapped, Commandoed, Barter Bulleted, Nomaded, wooden spooned,
but never caned.
Intermittently we awaken from our slumber. This fits the spirit.
http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-2428-how-standing-rock-gave-us-tactics-new-millennium.html -
Kumara Republic, in reply to
Intermittently we awaken from our slumber. This fits the spirit.
http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-2428-how-standing-rock-gave-us-tactics-new-millennium.htmlForcible uprooting of any kind can be a major catalyst for taking action.
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andin, in reply to
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expressed similar views.
Their world view was very different. If they even had one in a global sense.
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Farmer Green, in reply to
The Catholic Church didn't have a global view?
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I wondered about the legal status of the land which the pipeline crossed, having recently resisted attempts by the local council to site a lake , and then more recently a cycleway on our farm.
The top search item was this, which could be "fake news" so I'm wondering what the core issue really was.http://standingrockfactchecker.org/fact-checking-srst-claims-9-7-16/
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Farmer Green, in reply to
The process looks to be “par for the course”.
My strategy was to refuse to engage at any level, and when the council started the media campaign against me , I again ignored it, figuring that "pig wrestling ” was ill advised .
It took ten years for the council to give up, but they went away after it was revealed that they had been devious all along in dealing with the affected neighbours , telling them that resistance was useless because I had already agreed to the proposal. -
andin, in reply to
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The Catholic Church
Oh FFS
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Kumara Republic, in reply to
This leads to that ending up here
Do the owners of the models' photos have a case for copyright violation against the producers of the fake Twitter accounts?
And soon to be ex-President Obama should have invoked the Sherman Anti-Trust Act on Big Oil when he had the chance.
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