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  • Robyn Gallagher,

    A teenaged Jim Morrison in a film that was not strange at the time but seems very strange now.

    The weird thing is, it seems almost like it's Val Kilmer playing Jim Morrison as a tortured young student, cruelly denied entry into a Florida university by The Man.

    Raglan • Since Nov 2006 • 1946 posts Report Reply

  • George Darroch,

    And that same Parliament is passing ammendments to the dogs breakfast of a law, without pause.

    WLG • Since Nov 2006 • 2264 posts Report Reply

  • Danyl Mclauchlan,

    Meanwhile, the US approaches election year in its own unique way . . .

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 927 posts Report Reply

  • Michael Stevens,

    I agree RB - it is wonderful that we are in a country where the SG can stand up to the police and say "No, your case doesn't make the grade" - that is something worth celebrating, amidst the all the doubts I have over how the whole thing has been handled, this gives me great comfort.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 230 posts Report Reply

  • Lynda Johansson,

    Just a thought about Saturday's entertainment offerings: Garageland is probably a one-off whereas I assume you can see Phoenix Foundation at another time.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2007 • 14 posts Report Reply

  • Don Christie,

    Heard the SG and Police Commissioner on the radio last night. I think this has been a reasonable outcome and due process for a serious issue been followed.

    Our legislators should be ashamed, however. They seem to delight in creating unworkable law, c.f. the Copyright Amendment bill and EFB.

    Mind you in the UK writing poems is now terrorism. Maybe woolly, unworkable is good after all.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1645 posts Report Reply

  • merc,

    I am The Lizard King, I can do anything.

    Jim Morrison.

    Since Dec 2006 • 2471 posts Report Reply

  • merc,

    Since Dec 2006 • 2471 posts Report Reply

  • WH,

    As Graeme noted in a previous post, is one of the issues whether the alleged plotting reached a sufficiently advanced stage to attract a charge? Ordinarily one can only be charged with an actual attempt, which is obviously not satisfactory where indiscriminate slaughter is intended. You hear rumours and don't know what to believe, I sometimes find.

    There is a trend of people calling controversial legislation "incoherent", when it probably just needs to be clarified or amended. Lots of countries have anti-terror laws. I for one am against terrorism.

    Chase-me-ladies could be the funniest site on the entire interweb.

    http://chasemeladies.blogspot.com/2005/10/malkins-and-hinderaker-not-of-age-but.html

    http://chasemeladies.blogspot.com/2004/05/i-agree-with-abu-hamza-up-to-point.html

    Since Nov 2006 • 797 posts Report Reply

  • Neil Morrison,

    ...is one of the issues whether the alleged plotting reached a sufficiently advanced stage to attract a charge?

    That was one of the main issues Broad raised this morniing on NatRad. One thing that was interesting was his thoughts on the use of the word "terrorism", a term he'd appear to be wedded to.

    Paul Buchannan was John Ip were also good I thought.

    Since Nov 2006 • 932 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Judd,

    There is a trend of people calling controversial legislation "incoherent", when it probably just needs to be clarified or amended.

    Who'd've thought New Zealand's Solicitor-General would be a mindless follower of trends, eh?

    Lots of countries have anti-terror laws. I for one am against terrorism.

    What are you trying to say here? That the rest of us might be for terrorism?

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3122 posts Report Reply

  • Neil Morrison,

    a term he'd appear to be wedded to.

    should be " a term he didn't appear wedded to".

    Since Nov 2006 • 932 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Poole,

    Good on the SG for the way he worded his comments. It's pretty apparent where the blame lies, and that the Police were at least partly justified in acting when they did.
    I imagine that Cullen is mightily grateful that he delegated his authority to the SG on this one, since it makes the process much cleaner to have a non-politician making the call.

    My opinion of Winston went up quite a lot with his public admission that the police were failed by the pol's, and that he has apologised to them for his part in the whole fiasco. Getting a politician to admit fault in public is almost impossible, as we all know, so it's nice to see one say that he fucked up. If only the rest of them had the same degree of integrity and capacity of introspection.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2007 • 4097 posts Report Reply

  • Grant McDougall,

    My opinion of Winston went up quite a lot with his public admission that the police were failed by the pol's, and that he has apologised to them for his part in the whole fiasco. Getting a politician to admit fault in public is almost impossible, as we all know, so it's nice to see one say that he fucked up. If only the rest of them had the same degree of integrity and capacity of introspection.

    Agreed. I'm generally not a fan of Peters, but I was pleasantly surprised when he said that this morning.

    I wish Howard Broad would hurry up and do the same. Merely saying he'll say sorry isn't good enough - he needs to actually do so, ASAP. If he did so, it'd go a little way to restoring a smidgen of respect for the police.

    Also, he must say sorry "for" not "if" they went OTT in Ruatoki, Abel-Smith St, etc. "If" is a, no pun intended, a cop-out lacking true sincerity.

    Also, Jed Town from Fetus Productions supporting John Cale? I am about to explode with jealousy.

    Dunedin • Since Dec 2006 • 760 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    I wonder if any of the people caught up in this farce will ever be able to travel overseas again ....

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2622 posts Report Reply

  • merc,

    Not without a sphincter pinching dread. They will be on lists for life now.

    Since Dec 2006 • 2471 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie,

    What are you trying to say here? That the rest of us might be for terrorism?

    Two options in WH's post - either pushing the envelope of pomposity, or stating the bleeding obvious for the sheer ironic hell of it.

    The link to the unfailingly excellent Chase-me-ladies should be a dead giveaway that it's plainly the latter.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • insider outsider,

    If the police have breached some standard or guideline, then maybe theose in Ruatoki might deserve an apology, as long as that is the standard response for anyone innocently caught up in a police action in the future.

    But I am tired of the special pleading coming out of that community that they deserve some kind of kid glove treatment because they are Tuhoe, Maori, or have some other unrelated grievance that they are using this incident to push a barrow over.

    There has been a definite beating up of what happened - the bus stories is a good one - to inflame the situation. It does appear some are loving the chance to wallow in their victimhood. It would be nice if some of them actually stood up and said that they were concerned that events in their community had reached such a point that the police felt they had to act in such a way. The way their reaction has been portrayed so far is that they have no intention of questioning what went on under their noses becasue it was all just rosy.

    In terms of the Abel Smith St thing, even the tenants said they were treated with respect by the police. ANd the TV3 film showed it was a low key affair.

    nz • Since May 2007 • 142 posts Report Reply

  • Charles Mabbett,

    Who would have thought? George W Bush is misunderstood, under appreciated and ahead of his time.

    As for Garageland vs Phoenix Foundation. No contest. It's the Phoenix Foundation and pray they play Forty Years!

    Since Nov 2006 • 236 posts Report Reply

  • Charles Mabbett,

    Wow, what a relic! Excellent Youtube posting. Jim Morrison takes to acting like he was born to it and delivers his lines with real aplomb!

    Since Nov 2006 • 236 posts Report Reply

  • Robyn Gallagher,

    I'm torn between Saturday night's competing offerings of Garageland (King's Arms) and the Phoenix Foundation

    Last week I was discussing the Garageland reuinion with a friend and I was like "Well, I'd only go if Debbie Silvey was in the line-up." And according to the Herald, she is!

    So I guess I'll be there. I hope they play "Struck", cos that was my favourite tune to get drunk and miserable to in the mid '90s.

    Raglan • Since Nov 2006 • 1946 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    Curious about the post title: 'Tapping out' usually means 'submitting', much like 'throwing in the towel'. Wondering if this was a wrestling malapropism, and you really meant 'tagging out' like in tag team wrestling, which is more like subbing, handing the floor to those who've still got some energy.

    Or was it that the week has beaten you into submission?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10653 posts Report Reply

  • Danyl Mclauchlan,

    In terms of the Abel Smith St thing, even the tenants said they were treated with respect by the police. ANd the TV3 film showed it was a low key affair.

    Doesn't that kind of prove the point the people of Tuhoe are making? When the police raided the house of Pakeha activists in Wellington looking for weapons its a respectful, low key affair involving a handful of unarmed cops in uniform. But they went into Ruatoki with several hundred armed officers, sealed off the town and photographed everyone they could find. Doesn't the double standard leap out at you there?

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 927 posts Report Reply

  • insider outsider,

    Danyl

    No I think it perhaps reflected their perception of the risk at each venue. AS far as I know there have not been accusations of people running around central Park and Brooklyn Hill setting off napalm and firing guns. Given they have been watching for a year, they probably had a fair idea where the main risks were, but their warrants were likely generalised.

    From memory this is not the first time police have stopped and photgraphed people leaving an area where an investigation is going on. It's also not the first time they have blocked a road and checked vehicles going in and out of a place where an action is on. I don't recall those affected innocent people calling for state funded counsellors and crying racism and oppression.

    Hell I remember being stopped by a cop on anniversary weekend who stood in the middle of Otaki main street with half of Wellington backed up on SH1 with the only motive being to check everyone going through town for out of date WOFs. I was deeply peeved at his wasting of my and other's time for something I hadn't done - no reasonable cause. I never got counselling even though it was quite scary for the kids to face the prospect of me being given a stern talking to. And it was obvious he was blockading the main route out of the innocent city of wellington, where butter wouldn;t melt in our mouths. In fact, now I think of it, it;s symptomatic of the targeted assault on middle class wellingtonian values by this govt.

    nz • Since May 2007 • 142 posts Report Reply

  • InternationalObserver,

    Curious about the post title: 'Tapping out' usually means 'submitting', much like 'throwing in the towel'. Wondering if this was a wrestling malapropism, and you really meant 'tagging out' like in tag team wrestling, which is more like subbing, handing the floor to those who've still got some energy.

    WWF (now WWE) has mushed your brain! He said 'tapped out' which means (colloquially) out of ideas/new things to say. From dictionary.com

    Main Entry: tapped out
    Part of Speech: adj
    Definition: out of money or another resources, such as energy

    "tapping out" is defined (as you said) by Wikipedia as submission.

    A submission (depending on the context also referred to as a "tap out" or "tapping out") is a combat sports term for yielding to the opponent, and hence resulting in an immediate defeat. The submission is commonly performed by clearly tapping the floor or the opponent with the hand or sometimes with the foot, to signal the opponent and possibly the referee of the submission. The submission can also be verbal, during which the fighter verbally informs that he is giving up. In some combative sports where the fighter has cornermen, the corner can also stop the fight by "throwing in the towel", which may count as a submission.

    And I can't believe I've gone to such lengths to argue a minor point! Clearly I'm also 'tapped out' of new things to say about those other subjects (but that's not stopping some of the hair splitting going on in those other threads) but need my fix.__ Oh, if only Fiona would update her blog so the rest of us had something to continue yapping on about ...__

    It.must.be.Friday.

    Since Jun 2007 • 909 posts Report Reply

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