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  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    Errorists...

    I often read it out loud...

    That's how we used to do it in the proofreaders' room at The Press - before the machines 'won' - a reader and a copy-holder, who would often tick each word, four eyes and ears, two brains, and even then the odd mistake would get through... such as some politician being described as "the Leader of the Oppression".
    ; - )

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7953 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Hebe,

    As when subbing for the Dom ?
    Sorry don’t understand.

    go ask Emma...
    ;- )

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7953 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    I see. My home contains a former reporter and a former sub from an altogether more gentlemanly masthead than the Dom; it can still be a version of the Bogside when wires are crossed. Given my total miss of that entendre I shall retire to the cats thread.

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2899 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    As when subbing for the Dom ?
    Sorry don’t understand.

    go ask Emma...

    I have wanted a job subbing for the Dom for ages now, just so I could constantly make that joke. In the meantime I content myself with my pro bono work.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4651 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    From Stop Press, the next thing to fret about: the coming of the robot reporters.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report Reply

  • Lilith __, in reply to Emma Hart,

    In the meantime I content myself with my pro bono work.

    Stop, stop, you people make me laugh so much it hurts.

    Dunedin • Since Jul 2010 • 3895 posts Report Reply

  • JacksonP, in reply to Lilith __,

    Stop, stop, you people make me laugh so much it hurts.

    Oh piffle! News is best when it's hot off the press.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2011 • 2450 posts Report Reply

  • Lilith __, in reply to JacksonP,

    "Piffle", Jackson? Willing to bet nobody’s used that word since Bertie’s cruel Aunt Agatha. ;-)

    Dunedin • Since Jul 2010 • 3895 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen, in reply to Hebe,

    an observation

    But Hebe you are looking at the whole cost. If you partition the costs into separate budgets then you can cut costs in the sub editor room and hit your KPIs. that the costs have gone up for the corporation as a whole is not your fault.

    Also if they are so good at their job then they shouldn't be "wasted" working only on one newsroom.

    Obviously I agree entirely with you, just all too aware of the way these decisions get made.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4461 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Lilith __,

    In the meantime I content myself with my pro bono work.
    Stop, stop, you people make me laugh so much it hurts.

    Surely not you also Lilith?

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2899 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen, in reply to Emma Hart,

    pro bono work

    missing "r"

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4461 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    missing "r"

    Pro brono?

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4651 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Beard, in reply to Lilith __,

    Stop, stop, you people make me laugh so much it hurts.

    You say that like it's a bad thing.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1040 posts Report Reply

  • Lilith __, in reply to Tom Beard,

    You say that like it’s a bad thing.

    I thought somebody might say that. ;-)

    Dunedin • Since Jul 2010 • 3895 posts Report Reply

  • DexterX,

    With fairfax outsourcing "sub editing" jobs to NZ - they will be wanting to rely on NZ's high speed broadband network - they haven't experienced the level of outage and power failure.

    An outage schedule - is one even produced.or published?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1224 posts Report Reply

  • linger,

    Isn't the Herald one big scheduled outrage?

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1944 posts Report Reply

  • Lilith __, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    That’s how we used to do it in the proofreaders’ room at The Press –

    One of my sisters did that job for a while. There was one chap who used to often fall asleep, as it was his third job of the day.

    Dunedin • Since Jul 2010 • 3895 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    I think cheap-siding the subs is a case of being penny wise and pounds foolish. I won’t go into the tedious details, but back in the day an eagle-eyed sub (with plenty of institutional memory and local knowledge) saved me from a “trivial typing error” (i.e. sloppy attribution hard on deadline) that could have ended up in a defamation suit. A simple inquiry, and a few minutes re-writing, saved a lot of trouble.

    And while I was in London, Hillary Mantel’s Bring Up The Bodies was (quite correctly) getting rave reviews. Shame the print edition of one broadsheet incorrectly called the novel’s protagonist Oliver Cromwell instead of Thomas nine times in a 800 word note. Petty and not really that important in the great scheme of things? Perhaps, but why should I take the book pages of a major daily newspaper seriously if they can’t get something that basic right.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Lucy Stewart, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    Petty and not really that important in the great scheme of things? Perhaps, but why should I take the book pages of a major daily newspaper seriously if they can’t get something that basic right.

    That's not petty. That's wrong-President-Roosevelt inaccurate (and they at least shared a *century*.) Imagine the weird view of history it's going to give some of its readers.

    In re: reading aloud, partner likes to read his work in a Texan accent, as he claims it makes him think carefully about each word. Oddly enough, have never caught him doing this when I'm home.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 2105 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    Petty and not really that important in the great scheme of things? Perhaps, but why should I take the book pages of a major daily newspaper seriously if they can’t get something that basic right.

    And if mistakes get glossed over, what about blatant lies? With apologies to Mark Twain and Winston Churchill, a lie travels halfway round the world before the truth can punch in its username and password.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5446 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    As above, so below...
    Nicely Hermetic editorial spread - from Sub to Super...

    Strip mining...
    Gerard Jones writes well about the whole saga of Cleveland's finest sons, Shuster & Siegel, in Men of Tomorrow - and Michael Chabon took a Pulitzer winning fictional look at it with The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay - Joe Cavalieri expands on it as well, here

    Stan Lee was always a company man, and has looked after himself well, Kirby did the bulk of the creative work on a lot of those early comics, and fast!
    Ditto, Ditko...

    Knuckles the nun's good knock...
    Good on Roger Langridge for his stand on this - I hope it doesn't impact on some of his tie-ins to Disney (ie The Muppets) now that Disney owns Marvel - I love that his first Popeye comic cover is a tribute to the first Superman story


    Subhumans...
    The thing I notice is that often management don't seem to factor nightshift subs into their chains of communication - they don't seem to realise that it is the subs who craft and finesse the finished products that pay their upper echelon salaries. An editor is only as good as their subs.

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7953 posts Report Reply

  • JLM,

    Hope I can post this here for Dundin people, but everyone knows there's a Save TVNZ7 meeting in the Colqhoun theatre 1st floor Dunedin Hospital at 6pm tonight, right? Do pass it on, I haven't seen it well advertised

    Judy Martin's southern sl… • Since Apr 2007 • 241 posts Report Reply

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