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Hard News: Rolling back the right to silence

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  • Stewart,

    First they came for the journalists...

    Te Ika A Maui - Whakatane… • Since Oct 2008 • 577 posts Report

  • Robyn Gallagher,

    Oh, and around midday on Thursday, something special will be happening to this website.

    It's about time!

    Since Nov 2006 • 1946 posts Report

  • Graeme Edgeler,

    Production Orders are a form of search warrant that involves a lesser degree of intrusion that an ordinary search warrant. They are designed to be used in respect of people who would like to co-operate with authorities, but want the protection that being ordered to co-operate by a court provides.

    The solution to concerns about them is to replace the consequences for not complying, with a rule that says when someone declines to comply, the production order becomes a search warrant (which could be obtained anyway).

    At present, what happens is that the police (or customs or whoever) gets a search warrant, and send it along to the bank or whoever it is, who provide them the information they ask for. This was felt to be too invasive because it gives the police the power to enter and search the bank etc., when they don't really need it.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 3215 posts Report

  • Glenn Pearce,

    something special will be happening to this website

    I hope you're not planning on getting rid of the Public Address *beta* tag. It's had the longest most thorough Beta test cycle in history. ;-)

    Auckland • Since Feb 2007 • 504 posts Report

  • rodgerd,

    First they came for the journalists...

    And the bank employees, which makes this near and dear to my heart.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 512 posts Report

  • Graeme Edgeler,

    And the bank employees, which makes this near and dear to my heart.

    They've already come for the bank employees. Search warrants have always covered this information. What they're doing with production orders is backing away from the bank employees. They've decided that the powers they currently have over banks are too strong, and are introducing a less invasive power.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 3215 posts Report

  • Craig Ranapia,

    First they came for the journalists...

    ... who don't seem that fussed about other people's right to silence being flushed down the shitter. How soon we forget the media baying for blood (due process and civil rights be damned) when the Kahui investigation wasn't speedy enough for its liking.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report

  • Andre Alessi,

    Oh, and around midday on Thursday, something special will be happening to this website.

    It's kittens, isn't it. We're all getting kittens!

    I hope you're not planning on getting rid of the Public Address *beta* tag. It's had the longest most thorough Beta test cycle in history. ;-)

    I don't know, Hello Kitty Online has been doing OK in that regard too!

    Um, so I hear. From a friend.

    Devonport, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 864 posts Report

  • Kyle Matthews,

    It's kittens, isn't it. We're all getting kittens!

    A pony. Get with the inwards lingo.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report

  • Peter Corbish,

    hehehe...the EPMU putting the journalists case, eh. What about that other union that has lots of journalist members, oh that's right the PSA....that's right they're p*ss useless which is why so many of their journos abandoned them and joined the EPMU.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2010 • 2 posts Report

  • Emma Hart,

    It's kittens, isn't it. We're all getting kittens!

    A pony. Get with the inwards lingo.

    Okay, I think it's safe to say it's not a pony.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4651 posts Report

  • Andre Alessi,

    Okay, I think it's safe to say it's not a pony.

    I guess it's not a lion either then.

    Devonport, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 864 posts Report

  • Russell Brown,

    It's kittens, isn't it. We're all getting kittens!

    There's always someone who has to spoil it for the others, isn't there?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report

  • Kumara Republic,

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5446 posts Report

  • Idiot Savant,

    First they came for the journalists...

    And then they came for the yoof drinkers...

    To steal Lyndon hood's line, this government can't even design a liquor control regime without trying to turn us into a police state.

    Palmerston North • Since Nov 2006 • 1717 posts Report

  • George Darroch,

    Nice to see that Labour have finally toughened at little on this bill they wrote. It is a rights disaster in so many aspects - and most of these have until now had the full support of Labour. I'd be interested to know what exactly they are opposing now.

    Nevertheless, it will become law. I can only hope that at some point in the future the most egregious parts of this will be repealed.

    WLG • Since Nov 2006 • 2264 posts Report

  • Sue,

    pff kittens
    unicorns, flying unicorns
    now that's something i think we can all love and appreciate

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 527 posts Report

  • Ian Dalziel,

    dying on the vine... they stoop to canker

    What about that other union that has lots of journalist members, oh that's right the PSA....

    ...and the Gov't is working to eradicate PSA* in Tepuke, even as I type!


    *Pseudomonas syringae pv. Actinidiae

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7953 posts Report

  • Lucy Stewart,

    unicorns, flying unicorns
    now that's something i think we can all love and appreciate

    Personally, I always wanted a dragon. (Teenagers, take note: declarations like this are an excellent tactic for messing with your school counsellor.)

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 2105 posts Report

  • Raymond A Francis,

    I want a dragon too. small would be best but who wants to look in a dragon's mouth

    45' South • Since Nov 2006 • 578 posts Report

  • Bart Janssen,

    Okay, I think it's safe to say it's not a pony.

    Not even a celestial steed?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4461 posts Report

  • dyan campbell,

    I would settle for a pony. Unicorns schmunicorns, ponies are the most fun. This is some pretty fancy ridin' from a girl just turned 3.

    Sigh, not having much luck with technology this morning, the link below plays if you want to see the clip.

    auckland • Since Dec 2006 • 595 posts Report

  • Sue,

    ooo i'd love a dragon like the one from The Talking Parcel

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 527 posts Report

  • johnno,

    My taniwha could take your dragon. If it wanted to.

    wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 111 posts Report

  • Kumara Republic,

    Not even a celestial steed?

    Unicorns are the next best thing.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5446 posts Report

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