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  • Kumara Republic,

    I can almost hear mary wilson say "education broker what the fuck is that!?"

    Ingsoc is here to help you.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5446 posts Report

  • recordari,

    In the game of educational poker
    you'll need a taxonomy broker
    an unclassified child
    is ostensibly wild
    so conform to the cause and bespoke her

    Was that my 404 error?

    AUCKLAND • Since Dec 2009 • 2607 posts Report

  • Whoops,

    ...so I've been looking at this topic in a professional capacity recently, and there are pro's and con's on both sides (mostly cons when summed up - many of the points above give examples).

    As I think some other PA commenter noted - one might assume Tolley's either modelling herself on Thatcher vs Unions, or this lady; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Rhee to allow schools and Min Ed to be driven to a point where private schools with no unions are the best (least worst) option. I wouldn't go quite that far, but Kerr's piece advocating for just those things scares the crap out of me.

    We are clearly failing too many kids, and something has to be done... (won't someone think of the children) but charters and vouchers don't seem to be the answer.

    Not an easy thing to tackle, and many wrong answers.

    here • Since Apr 2007 • 105 posts Report

  • Andre Alessi,

    Nah. The weirdest explanation evar was John Key this week explaining Whanau Ora as being "a bit like a waterbed".

    Then again, it makes a kind of sense if you assume he was talking about "things on which most people are able to have sex".

    Edit:Er, that should read unable but I'll let it stand.

    Devonport, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 864 posts Report

  • Sacha,

    an argument against the decile funding system.

    ACT really do think the earth - and everything human - is flat, don't they? Thank goodness 98% of New Zealanders disagree, though some speaking up seems called for..

    We are clearly failing too many kids, and something has to be done

    How about fixing our very unequal society - one reason we have such a wide spread in PISA results and so on.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report

  • Sacha,

    "things on which most people are able to have sex"

    league tables

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report

  • Russell Brown,

    We are clearly failing too many kids, and something has to be done... (won't someone think of the children) but charters and vouchers don't seem to be the answer.

    Not an easy thing to tackle, and many wrong answers.

    Absolutely.

    What shocked me about the paper was the flimsy nature of its "research". If I had time, I think I'd have a good chance of spotting the copy and paste direct from a coupe of lobby groups.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report

  • Whoops,

    What shocked me about the paper was the flimsy nature of its "research". If I had time, I think I'd have a good chance of spotting the copy and paste direct from a coupe of lobby groups.

    Ahh, but you've made the fatal mistake of thinking the current Government gives a shit about being 'correct' (to use one of your pinko liberal PC terms)... so long as they can do enough to <copier salesman mode> wash their face </copier salesman mode> and get stuff done.

    The phrase 'bit between their teeth' I think most properly describes the various Ministers' current behavior.

    here • Since Apr 2007 • 105 posts Report

  • stephen clover,

    Nah. The weirdest explanation evar was John Key this week explaining Whanau Ora as being "a bit like a waterbed".

    Hee hee.. concurage.

    Good to see the National Govt having the courage and conviction to put in place firm Nanny State policies to deal with issues that the previous Labour administration was too timid to confront. Obviously the most pressing of these is Archimedes’ Principal.

    wgtn • Since Sep 2007 • 355 posts Report

  • Paul Williams,

    What shocked me about the paper was the flimsy nature of its "research". If I had time, I think I'd have a good chance of spotting the copy and paste direct from a coupe of lobby groups.

    I don't recall vouchers being a big deal for National, ACT definitely but not National - their preferred arrangement was bulk-funding - so I'm not surprised the report's so weak. Maybe Key doesn't want a strong case for more radical reform when the National Standards matter is festering away. Maybe he wants this report to be a lightning rod so he can reintroduce bulk-funding?

    Sydney • Since Nov 2006 • 2273 posts Report

  • Whoops,

    eh? Do you mean like what was done with the tax 'reform'..."'let's get a patsy like don brash to make some, er, brash statements that we can ridicule and offer our (then seemingly) more moderate plan up as the palatable option?"

    Possibly.

    (yes, national standards is a big enough head butting competition for most govt's... but remember the the size of JK's mandate.)




    [queue jokes about the size of John's man-date.]

    here • Since Apr 2007 • 105 posts Report

  • Sacha,

    What shocked me about the paper was the flimsy nature of its "research". If I had time, I think I'd have a good chance of spotting the copy and paste direct from a couple of lobby groups.

    They're a surprisingly lazy bunch for such champions of enterprise and hard work. You may remember that Bill Birch's report for the incoming Banks/Hay Auckland City Council some years ago was just a dusted-off earlier Act effort. Still, it was enough to justify selling off the pensioner housing and airport shares.

    make some, er, brash statements that we can ridicule and offer our (then seemingly) more moderate plan up as the palatable option?

    Seems entirely plausible. There are advantages for the Nats of having tame nutters at hand.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report

  • Paul Williams,

    Seems entirely plausible. There are advantages for the Nats of having tame nutters at hand.

    Particularly when the nutters do such a poor job of developing their ideas...

    Sydney • Since Nov 2006 • 2273 posts Report

  • Angus Robertson,

    No, actually.

    Thulberg is director general of the Swedish National Agency for Education, which oversees policy and research for the whole system, including the independent schools, which are part of that system.

    Fair enough.

    If you bother to read it, you'll see it is not the work of a lobby or interest group.

    Will do.

    Auckland • Since May 2007 • 984 posts Report

  • Just thinking,

    When Tolley is so obviously failing, she may be able to be lead by Roy into ACT ideology (not that Tolley has a clue what she is doing or where she is going).

    [Edit: may be lessons in Helicopters would raise results]

    Putaringamotu • Since Apr 2009 • 1158 posts Report

  • Tony Kennedy,

    Super cities, party central, national standards, step changes, it’s all about choice, why not implement them within the boundaries of the new “super city” for a period while the rest of country observes the emergence of the new nirvana.

    Off course to provide “choice” people would be free to move from or to the super city as they please.

    Boom times for hamiltron methinks

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 225 posts Report

  • Lucy Stewart,

    How does that work? Will they be putting on a mini van to transport the kids to the other school? Or will the kids have to coordinate public transport (if, indeed, their school is serviced by public transport).

    What a hassle.

    My high school was not huge but was on a steep hill, and we ended up wasting significant portions of class time just getting between classes, if they were far enough apart. You'd have to reduce the number of periods per day by one or two if kids were bussing between schools - and how does that help?

    (That said, there's an argument for moving some kids to reasonably nearby schools for, e.g., classes they can't take at their school, or to get enough kids together for a seventh-form Scholarship class. But it'd have to be very close schools. Or, hell, teleconference.)

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 2105 posts Report

  • ChrisW,

    Tolley's flailing rather than failing I think.

    She'll be supported by Key. And they know they've been embishus enough in seeking instant implementation of National's national standards, quite close to biting off more than they can chew. So this kite-flying nonsense coming out of right field - it's gonna crash pretty soon I reckon.

    Gisborne • Since Apr 2009 • 851 posts Report

  • Cecelia,

    So this kite-flying nonsense coming out of right field - it's gonna crash pretty soon I reckon.

    I hope so. Meanwhile I'm getting very scared about what I heard Jonathan Coleman say about RNZ.

    Mining in our conservation estate and, now, tinkering with the public broadcasting function of RNZ ...(One News) Oh dear.

    And now for some hyperbole but ...

    As Malcolm said in Macbeth:

    I think our country sinks beneath the yoke;
    It weeps, it bleeds; and each new day a gash
    Is added to her wounds:

    Hibiscus Coast • Since Apr 2008 • 559 posts Report

  • Sacha,

    Or, hell, teleconference

    Exactly. Once Joyce pulls his finger from wherever it's been resting and gets on with ensuring decent broadband. Making schools early in the queue would be good.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report

  • Graeme Edgeler,

    There were two high-schools in Tokoroa, a reasonable distance apart (maybe 3 km?). In my final year, classics was offered as a bursary subject in the hour before the rest of the school started (basically 7:30-8:30) and the class was open to students from the other high school.

    Similarly, the year before, calculus was offered in that time-slot, a couple of students from the other high school taking it to enable them to fit other subjects into their timetable (it was even taught by a teacher from the other school).

    We got an extra study period during the day. I was quite grateful that they'd worked together to enable this to happen.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 3215 posts Report

  • Cecelia,

    I've just read the report.

    I wanna be a "learning broker mentor!"

    The report reads to me like the research project completed by a Year 13 student. (No offence to students.) It's pie in the sky stuff.

    How does the suggested "personalised learning path" fit with the new national standards?

    (I like the idea of a" personalised learning path" to an extent but you would need to give teachers a lot more time or hire a lot of LBMs)

    Hibiscus Coast • Since Apr 2008 • 559 posts Report

  • Jeremy Andrew,

    Off course to provide “choice” people would be free to move from or to the super city as they please.

    Boom times for hamiltron methinks

    Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me

    Hamiltron - City of the F… • Since Nov 2006 • 900 posts Report

  • Cecelia,

    Poignant, Jeremy.

    Hibiscus Coast • Since Apr 2008 • 559 posts Report

  • David Hood,

    Having read through the report, I don't see anything that would be expected to improve the learning outcomes for my child (not that I did expect I would).
    I also suspect that over the next few months many of the critical details that would make it a clear, rational, measurable, policy will be filled with handwavium.

    Dunedin • Since May 2007 • 1445 posts Report

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