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  • Russell Brown,

    It will still be in flash, but the latest [application redacted] will at least let you save it to your hard drive...

    Graeme, it's not like you to fail to read the terms of use ...

    This website is for your personal and educational, non-commercial use only. You agree not to copy, reproduce, republish, duplicate, sell, upload, download, post, transmit, distribute, broadcast, store (including, without limitation, in electronic form) or modify or otherwise exploit for any commercial purpose any video footage on this website.

    I'm realistic about things being copyable if you try hard enough, but we were only able to obtain rights to the programmes on the basis that they were for viewing on screen, and not for copying. It'd be a shame to mess that up on day one ...

    And besides, we know where you live.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22830 posts Report Reply

  • Evan Yates,

    As long as Graeme wasn't doing it for commercial purposes, the license statement appears to allow him to make copies for personal use. As a shylock himself, I'm pretty sure he would have read the terms and come to the same conclusion(?)

    Hamiltron, Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Nov 2006 • 197 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    OMFG... Could some pitch a Gloss re-boot (they're all the rage) to Three, like, yesterday? Couldn't you just picture a hag-ridden Chelsea Redfern hitting middle-age with all the grace of a demented Rottie locked in a crèche. P-addled teenagers with eating disorders, a secretly gay ex, and a fading fashion rag with as many near-defamatory depictions of B-list fashionistas and media whores as the lawyers will allow.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • FletcherB,

    I came to the same (not a lawyer) conclusion as Evan did...

    If that is NOT what it's supposed to mean, it should probably be re-written.

    West Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 889 posts Report Reply

  • Graeme Edgeler,

    Graeme, it's not like you to fail to read the terms of use ...

    I'm pretty sure it's very much like everyone...

    That said, now that I've read your excerpt, I think NZ on Screen needs a new lawyer if they don't want me saving it without breacking the law :-)

    Saving a video for one's personal use (e.g. so you can watch it as one documentary without waiting for each new segement to download a sufficient buffer after the earlier ones have finished) does not seem to be prohibited by those terms of use.

    *Personal or educational, non-commercial - check
    *You agree not to ... download ... or otherwise exploit for any commercial purpose - check.

    My downloading (were I to actually do it...) would not be for a commercial purpose (and "commercial purpose" clearly applies to the whole bit).

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 3207 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Litterick,

    What Sam said about Media7. It was a very agreeable evening. And now you provide Architect Athfield for my viewing pleasure. My cup is full.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1000 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    And now you provide Architect Athfield for my viewing pleasure. My cup is full

    It was precisely with your current research interests in mind that I posted the link.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22830 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    That said, now that I've read your excerpt, I think NZ on Screen needs a new lawyer if they don't want me saving it without breacking the law :-)

    I have passed on your observations ...

    I knew I'd end up having this discussion with you lot on day one :-)

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22830 posts Report Reply

  • Joanna,

    Can you lot all please stop looking at the site? I can't watch anything cos it's too busy.

    *sobs*

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 746 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Can you lot all please stop looking at the site? I can't watch anything cos it's too busy.

    *sobs*

    That's strange. It's bangin' through for me on two different connections.

    Where are you trying from?

    (If it's work, use the code-word, "harbour")

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22830 posts Report Reply

  • JohnAmiria,

    well, watch this instead Joanna [off topic]

    Joe "I don't wanna pay taxes" Plumber admits he and parents were on welfare...

    hither and yon • Since Aug 2008 • 215 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Also, do feel free to register and post comments at On Screen too. The "discuss" tab is at the top right of the screen for every programme.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22830 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Litterick,

    It was precisely with your current research interests in mind that I posted the link.

    Thank you.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1000 posts Report Reply

  • Joanna,

    That's strange. It's bangin' through for me on two different connections.
    Where are you trying from?
    (If it's work, use the code-word, "harbour")

    Ahh yes, now that I have swum to a secret island in the harbour, things seem to be working much better.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 746 posts Report Reply

  • Dave Waugh,

    OMFG... Could some pitch a Gloss re-boot (they're all the rage) to Three, like, yesterday? Couldn't you just picture a hag-ridden Chelsea Redfern hitting middle-age with all the grace of a demented Rottie locked in a crèche. P-addled teenagers with eating disorders, a secretly gay ex, and a fading fashion rag with as many near-defamatory depictions of B-list fashionistas and media whores as the lawyers will allow.

    Heh Sounds like the plot of a Tom Sharpe book?

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 98 posts Report Reply

  • Sue,

    happiness is watching the first episode of gloss

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 527 posts Report Reply

  • Bevan Shortridge,

    NZ On Screen, the living archive of New Zealand television and film that I've been on the trust board of for nearly year. It's a non-profit, public good project funded by NZ On Air

    In a word - brilliant! Things I haven't seen for years (Spot On! Nice One Stu!). Great effort and please keep it up. Thanks to all involved for making this available.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 122 posts Report Reply

  • Jarno van der Linden,

    My mad idea for the day: date and geotag all the clips on NZ On Screen, then mash it up with Google Maps. Given sufficient material, you can then see what any part of the country looked like at any point in time.

    Nelson • Since Oct 2007 • 82 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    My mad idea for the day: date and geotag all the clips on NZ On Screen, then mash it up with Google Maps. Given sufficient material, you can then see what any part of the country looked like at any point in time.

    Your mad and brilliant idea for the day.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Your mad and brilliant idea for the day.

    And it's not even that mad. Obviously, the site needs to find its rhythm for the next six months or so, but there's no show-stopping reason that can't happen.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22830 posts Report Reply

  • Richard Wain,

    WTF? Flash player on the NZ On Screen site?

    Why?

    Does anyone use that anymore? Why not Real Player/Quicktime and whatever the Microsoft program's called...

    Flash sucks ass. Big time. Sorry to harp but that is disappointing. There should be options - am I missing something or is Flash player the only way to do it on the site?

    And if it was downloadable, rather than view only with Flash while you're there, it could be much better also... but I guess that ol' rights issue comes up eh?

    I'd be interested to hear what Robbery thinks on such issues BTW, when it comes to movie/TV/docos etc as opposed to music downloads. Same thing?

    Since Nov 2006 • 155 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    WTF? Flash player on the NZ On Screen site?
    Why?
    Does anyone use that anymore?

    Oh, only YouTube, nearly all YouTube imitators, nearly all broadcaster websites, TVNZ ondemand, TV3, etc. It would not be going too far to say it's near ubiquitous.

    Why not Real Player/Quicktime and whatever the Microsoft program's called.

    RealPlayer is vile, and it was a huge relief when the BBC finally dumped it in favour of Flash. And Microsoft still doesn't seem able to get Silverlight to critical mass. QuickTime, much as I love it as a tool, is a terrible streaming solution.

    Flash sucks ass. Big time. Sorry to harp but that is disappointing. There should be options - am I missing something or is Flash player the only way to do it on the site?

    Um, have you tried the site? The video works really well. The video files are H.264-encoded and they look freakin' lovely.

    And yes, according to one estimate, 98% of all desktop internet users have the Flash plugin installed, and 82% have the latest version. Nothing else comes close for user base.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22830 posts Report Reply

  • jeremy gray,

    It really would be nice to be able to download the movies without an external application..

    That said, I just watched patu! and it was amazing. Really puts Keys claimed lack of opinion into perspective for someone from the younger generation.

    Thanks for the heads up.

    point chev • Since Apr 2008 • 44 posts Report Reply

  • Richard Wain,

    I don't have the latest Flash the stie says... oddly I can view footage on YouTube for sure no problems, I go there to see stuff.

    I can NEVER use the TVNZ player, it just doesn't work. Maybe it's the latest Flash thing, tho I don't get a message to that effect, it just sucks.
    TV3's fine though!

    I'd prefer to be able to download than view as you are, for something like this... no chance then I take it from that response, Russ B?

    Since Nov 2006 • 155 posts Report Reply

  • Richard Wain,

    er, the SITE says, natch

    Since Nov 2006 • 155 posts Report Reply

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