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Hard News: Media7: A new censor -- and a showdown for student media?

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  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Islander,

    etceteras that I have encountered.

    There's a T shirt :)

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report

  • Sacha, in reply to Islander,

    crowning glory

    very good

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report

  • Carol Stewart, in reply to Russell Brown,

    If I also may be honest, I would have liked to have heard more from Peter G and less from Robert W. I agree with Lilith that it was probably the least interesting segment of the show (in what was a really enjoyable show overall). I enjoyed hearing from the Maori scientists; Mike Joy is a treasure; and I thought Peter Griffin's roundup of the best and worst science coverage in the media was really excellent with spot on choices.

    Wellington • Since Jul 2008 • 830 posts Report

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    I would have like to have seen segments thrown together and less people interviewed but hey, not my show. I always want more when sitting in on these recordings, because it is really interesting stuff, but as Mr Coleman (finally)said to me , he and I do probably differ on our views about quality telly, so, I’m just glad I can experience all of Media 7 stuff when ever I feel like it…. for now :)

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report

  • andin, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    However, Mike Joy was a star and I thought the perspectives from the Maori scientists was interesting.

    OK I'll bite. Interesting yes quite a useful word really.
    So the Taniwha is for our benefit warning of a possible rip in a river flow. Yes many primitive peoples came up with this kind of explanation. Its a fiction of course, but are we supposed to play along all the same?
    And the anthropologist's "there are many truths" gambit. Well yes I suppose you could say that. So what now? I want my individual truth, is that OK?

    Also the word dinosaur caused the host to do a double take. But personally I couldn't fault the use of the word in the context in which it was made.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1891 posts Report

  • Jackie Clark, in reply to Sacha,

    That 's what I thought. She ain't a writer for nuffin!

    Mt Eden, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3136 posts Report

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Excellent show last night, but I'm afraid I've got a long-standing bone to pick with the assertion that our censorship laws are "objective" rather than "philisophical". Really, guys? I'd say censorship is one area where value judgements around concepts like injury to "the public good" are unavoidable, but it really doesn't help public dialogue if we pretend they're not going on.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report

  • Lilith __, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    etceteras that I have encountered.

    There’s a T shirt :)

    As in, "your smile eyes knees and..."?

    Dunedin • Since Jul 2010 • 3895 posts Report

  • Steve Barnes,

    I have wondered on the subject of honorifics. If one was an Earl and received an OBE would one become an Earlobe?

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report

  • Geoff Lealand, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    Excellent show last night, but I'm afraid I've got a long-standing bone to pick with the assertion that our censorship laws are "objective" rather than "philisophical".

    I agree with you, Craig. It would be great to have a philosopher in charge, rather than the usual lawyer of choice--to begin, for example, to pick apart the language of injurious to the public good What is' injury'? How do measure it (in both the short-term and long-term)? What is the 'public' these days? What is 'good' for them?

    Screen & Media Studies, U… • Since Oct 2007 • 2562 posts Report

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Geoff Lealand,

    It would be great to have a philosopher in charge . . .

    It'd play nicely on TV where, instead of the contrived intro shot of the expert pretending to busy themselves with folders 'n tomes, the sage would be seen deep in contemplation of a human skull cradled in their palm.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Geoff Lealand,

    I agree with you, Craig. It would be great to have a philosopher in charge, rather than the usual lawyer of choice–to begin, for example, to pick apart the language of injurious to the public good

    To be fair to Andrew Jack (and his predecessors) he's totally right that he has to work within the legislative framework he's got. I just wish we'd all stop pretending that "injury to the public good" is some kind of objective concept like the speed of light.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report

  • Russell Brown,

    I liked Andrew Jack -- he wasn't what I expected from a former legal advisor to Customs and the police, I'll tell you that.

    The show is online here.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    To be fair to Andrew Jack (and his predecessors) he’s totally right that he has to work within the legislative framework he’s got. I just wish we’d all stop pretending that “injury to the public good” is some kind of objective concept like the speed of light.

    I think the point is that the law now is – for better or worse – more explicitly prescriptive, leaving rather less room for intangible value judgements. Which is not, as you note, the same as being wholly objective.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Russell Brown,

    I think the point is that the law now is – for better or worse – more explicitly prescriptive, leaving rather less room for intangible value judgements.

    I think that's a fair point, and anyone who could watch Kirby Dick's This Film Is Not Yet Rated is a simultaneously hilarious and deeply disturbing expose of the MPAA. [Warning: Link contains a playable extract from film containing not entirely safe for work language. Like "senior citizen gang-bang". And a cartoon dolphin doing something aberrant to a cartoon whale. Don't ask.]

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report

  • andin, in reply to Joe Wylie,

    They can go on tho' and ..um... connect.
    Quality may also be an issue.
    They'd have to bring a laptop.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1891 posts Report

  • Tony Siu,

    The VSM really annoys me because our University of Auckland Tramping (hiking) club, which have been the largest, friendliest and most established club on campus will lose out funding from AUSA for the upcoming semester. Which means, despite our push for membership drive in which that's where our majority funding comes from will be gone. The National Bank Dole SuperFood University of Auckland Tramping Club doesn't really have the same ring doesn't it?

    PS: I'm the publication officer this year.

    /rant off

    Auckland • Since Mar 2008 • 82 posts Report

  • Kyle Matthews,

    Really, guys? I’d say censorship is one area where value judgements around concepts like injury to “the public good” are unavoidable, but it really doesn’t help public dialogue if we pretend they’re not going on.

    It wasn't covered in the show, but don't the censors do a regular survey of community values and adjust how they apply their rules depending on the results. Asking people who they feel about certain swear words, images etc?

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report

  • David Hood, in reply to Kyle Matthews,

    don’t the censors do a regular survey of community values and adjust how they apply their rules depending on the results

    A bit like qantas

    Dunedin • Since May 2007 • 1445 posts Report

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Nice to see ACT trying to rip the human heart (still beating) out of our tertiary institutions - the Student Union system provides a much needed social balance for students - if all students can do is study there will be serious social implications further down the track for them (If not while they are still at uni)...
    So how will this "non-compulsory student unions" work ?
    Will there be special areas, ghettos?
    Will people who wish to belong have to wear a distinctive mark so they can use student union facilities?
    What happens to existing facilities and plant...

    Be interesting to know what clubs the ACT members involved in this action were part of when they were at uni...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7953 posts Report

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