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Hard News: Media3: Standards Showdown

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  • Russell Brown, in reply to Sacha,

    PAT tests?

    And STAR (for maths?) and ASTTLE. All established and moderated. The idea that there weren't any measures for achievement before national standards is pervasive and wrong.

    One thing that didn't make the cut of the discussion in last week's show was my question about why no one has ever bothered to seek *those* results by OIA. John Hartevelt admitted he didn't know.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report Reply

  • Geoff Lealand,

    There was a whole industry in school-based testing (PAT, CLOZE tests) when I worked at the NZ Council for Educational Research. They are strangely silent in this whole debate.

    Screen & Media Studies, U… • Since Oct 2007 • 2562 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Russell Brown,

    One thing that didn't make the cut of the discussion in last week's show was my question about why no one has ever bothered to seek *those* results by OIA. John Hartevelt admitted he didn't know.

    I remember that awkward moment. All those hours put into OIA-ing the new 'standards' and not a thought to the others that actually *are* standard, moderated and well-established.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report Reply

  • Glenn Pearce,

    I thought the MoE provided tools for translating PAT/STAR/ASTTLE scores into National Standards achievement levels ?

    Auckland • Since Feb 2007 • 504 posts Report Reply

  • Glenn Pearce,

    Thought so, anyone know if this was available for the first lot of Nat Standards data submitted or has been published since ?

    http://assessment.tki.org.nz/Assessment-tools-resources/Alignment-of-assessment-tools-with-National-Standards

    Auckland • Since Feb 2007 • 504 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    One thing that didn’t make the cut of the discussion in last week’s show was my question about why no one has ever bothered to seek *those* results by OIA.

    That would seem to be information that actually could be potentially useful if made available in the right way.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report Reply

  • Jeremy Eade,

    Funny . I was just watching the presidential debate on msnbc and it starts off with ; I think, an Exxon ad basically saying the U.S needs to be better educated and they site a scientific study across nations students, and we are number 4 and the U.S no. 17 .
    We rock educationally according to Exxon.

    According to most planetary studies our top students are in a position to receive a great education here, but it's something we should and have to build on.

    The problem is there is a multi-generational, decades long problem for struggling students in maths, reading and writing. English is a language that can bamboozle you and maths is a very anxiety driven discipline of time versus result.The school system confuses too many students and bad patterns are set early.Unless remedial concepts are strong and understood we are not going to really deal with this problem.

    auckland • Since Mar 2008 • 1112 posts Report Reply

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