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Hard News: Leaving the bunker

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  • merc,

    This pretty much sums up a number of things Iraq for me,

    ...and the comments.

    Since Dec 2006 • 2471 posts Report Reply

  • Rogan Polkinghorne,

    Sheesh, I've never read Whaleoil's blog before, and after checking out his exchange with Cameron today, I don't think I'll be going back!

    Classic 'playground' argument tactics; completely ignoring any points raised in opposition to his argument, personal attacks, crude language...Whaleoil seems like a real creep!

    A-town • Since Nov 2006 • 105 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    National's use of the perjorative epithet "bureaucrat" for anyone who's not a nurse, teacher or cop is fatuous and offensive.

    Perhaps, but could the Government put up a more credible linguistic Miss Manners than Michael 'Rich Prick' Cullen?

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • noizyboy,

    that mash-up is phenomenal. cheers.

    wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 171 posts Report Reply

  • Robyn Gallagher,

    I'm really impressed with the State Services Commission's blog, but what impresses me the most is simply that they're not afraid to blog. The blog entries read like they're written by real people and haven't been filtered through a PR person. It seems hard to think that I'd enjoy reading the SSC blog, but it is actually rather enjoyable to read.

    (Though if I were to pick on anything it would be their motto, "Dedicated to delivering world class State Services". "Word class" is really just another way of saying "quite good", but it comes coupled with a bit of national shame, like we're only good if we measure up to other countries. But surely state services, by their very nature, should be fine-tuned to the needs of the state and not a one-size-fits all international template? Mental!)

    But, yeah, a great blog, especially from a government department.

    Since Nov 2006 • 1946 posts Report Reply

  • David Cormack,

    Perhaps, but could the Government put up a more credible linguistic Miss Manners than Michael 'Rich Prick' Cullen?

    Hey Craig you know that the ol' "National did this wrong but Labour also did something else wrong" defence, doesn't make Nationals actions right.

    I'm one of those faceless bureaucrats and frankly John's mean words made me die a little.

    Suburbia, Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 218 posts Report Reply

  • Julie Fairey,

    I would really like to see some research that actually breaks down the work that the extra "bureaucrats" are doing. For example in the Ministry of Education a lot of the increase can be accounted for by the fact that the Government has brought Special Education back into the core public service, as opposed to having them as external contractors. If you asked most NZers if they thought the work done by those in GSE should be done by people directly employed by the Ministry of Education most would say yes, I believe. I suspect there would be quite a few similar examples in other areas too.

    But at heart Key's criticism does rather reflect the difference in approaches - National seems to believe that it is not the role of government to do the long term policy research and development necessary to uncover the causes of bad stuff and come up with solutions. Without those "bureaucrats" and their silly research we can only respond to problems with solutions based on talk-back ideas, which I tend to think is not the best way to be making policy and trying to improve things.

    Puketapapa Mt Roskill, AK… • Since Dec 2007 • 234 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Perhaps, but could the Government put up a more credible linguistic Miss Manners than Michael 'Rich Prick' Cullen?

    That's something Cullen said in Parliament one day. This is a conscious attempt to raise public odium through the use of certain words.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    If you asked most NZers if they thought the work done by those in GSE should be done by people directly employed by the Ministry of Education most would say yes, I believe. I suspect there would be quite a few similar examples in other areas too.

    My new-entrants teacher friend is pretty emphatic about the value of the special-ed advice from "bureaucrats" that has become available to her in the past few years.

    It's just a stupid, perjorative word that advances no sensible argument.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report Reply

  • uroskin,

    Howick? V8? Nuff said. Bring on $10/litre petrol!

    Waiheke Island • Since Feb 2007 • 178 posts Report Reply

  • Gareth Ward,

    It's just a stupid, perjorative word that advances no sensible argument.

    And "the John Key of old" (i.e. his first few months as Leader) didn't strike me as being the type to use those pointless perjoratives - he seemed a relatively pragmatic and realistic guy then (I heard at least 2 or 3 Havoc weekly interviews where I thought Key provided much more grounded and pragmatic answers in his than Clark did in hers).
    Now days he seems to be rolling out the same old late-90s catch phrases - presumedly driven into him by the "on-message" PR team internally. And that's a real shame.

    Auckland, NZ • Since Mar 2007 • 1727 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    The Dictionary of Politics:

    Bureaucrats - "paper-shufflers" BOO!
    Taxpayers - "hard-working" HOORAY!

    Bureaucrats who pay taxes ... ?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1333 posts Report Reply

  • Gareth Ward,

    I like to think that the tipping point for the Rail to the Airport campaign was when I signed up to their Facebook group...

    Auckland, NZ • Since Mar 2007 • 1727 posts Report Reply

  • Che Tibby,

    the Government has brought Special Education back into the core public service, as opposed to having them as external contractors.

    i thought it was common knowledge that although the "bureacracy" shrank in the 1990s, all the work was shifted to contractors?

    working as a researcher, i can tell you that there are considerable efficiencies in cost and knowledge-retention resulting from having this function in-house.

    the back of an envelope • Since Nov 2006 • 2042 posts Report Reply

  • Julie Fairey,

    Puketapapa Mt Roskill, AK… • Since Dec 2007 • 234 posts Report Reply

  • linger,

    ...nods somewhat despairingly at Julie's comment, especially:

    National seems to believe that it is not the role of government to do the long term policy research and development necessary to uncover the causes of bad stuff and come up with solutions.

    Exactly right, and I wish such fundamental points of difference were finding its way into the public discussion (e.g. on talkback radio!... well, I can dream, eh).
    I do have to wonder, though, if Key really has such a low opinion of bureaucrats (rather than, say, merely taking a cynical position for public consumption), why would he want to be PM? I mean, what is that position if not uber-bureaucratic?

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1944 posts Report Reply

  • Tim Michie,

    Um, please correct if I'm wrong, but didn't the last great bureaucrat cull result in a greater reliance on external consultants, typically more expensive, so that the latter became the new opposition insult. Of course some departments' staffing levels need to be looked at - for need to grow as well as decrease - but this is surely a matter of course for any organistation.

    Auckward • Since Nov 2006 • 614 posts Report Reply

  • Todd Hunter,

    Just a note on the cartoon, its from xkcd.

    XKCD

    Very funny geek humor!

    Sydney • Since Mar 2008 • 1 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart,

    My new-entrants teacher friend is pretty emphatic about the value of the special-ed advice from "bureaucrats" that has become available to her in the past few years.

    I was talking to my daughter's audiologist yesterday. In June, 'the gummint' is bringing in hearing testing for newborns. Because the heads of newborn babies are often, through no fault of their own, full of fluid, this is going to lead to a lot of false negatives - children being picked up with a hearing problem who don't have one.

    But even with the earlier pick-up, the testing is going to increase the workload for the Special Education advisors. Currently in Canterbury, there are two and a half advisors covering more than four hundred deaf and hearing-impaired children.

    Either they need to employ more advisors - which Key clearly isn't going to do - or increase the workload of the ones they've got, decreasing the service they provide. And as a recipient of that service, I can confidently say that if it deteriorates any further, they may as well sack 'em, because it simply can't get any worse and still exist.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4651 posts Report Reply

  • andrew llewellyn,

    Bureaucrats who pay taxes ... ?

    Boo Hooray

    Since Nov 2006 • 2075 posts Report Reply

  • linger,

    does bureaucracy need a marketing campaign?

    not just pushing paper: pushing envelopes

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1944 posts Report Reply

  • Shep Cheyenne,

    Merc - Any idea why the yanks were using an AK47 (wooden stock) at the end?

    Since Oct 2007 • 927 posts Report Reply

  • Shep Cheyenne,

    Joseph Stiglitz's said something like the USA pay $500K for their troops who died in action.

    Is that a calculated loss of their life or a payment to the family after their death?

    Since Oct 2007 • 927 posts Report Reply

  • linger,

    National: "government should do less,
    therefore we should be the government"

    Would you willingly hire someone who made such a declaration about the job on offer?

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1944 posts Report Reply

  • Idiot Savant,

    And "the John Key of old" (i.e. his first few months as Leader) didn't strike me as being the type to use those pointless perjoratives - he seemed a relatively pragmatic and realistic guy then (I heard at least 2 or 3 Havoc weekly interviews where I thought Key provided much more grounded and pragmatic answers in his than Clark did in hers).

    There's an election coming up, and Key needs some squid-ink to mask the fact that his party has no policy. Bitch about "bureaucrats" and "high taxes" and "waste" and you don't have to talk about how you'd actually improve the health system, or whether you're going to follow through on climate change, or what you're going to do to relieve the appalling poverty among those excluded from the recovery.

    And I think Che's point about contractors is well-made. You need that institutional knowledge, and you need it in-house. If you start getting rid of researchers and analysts, then the ministries can't credibly perform their core function of providing decent policy advice to the government - and they cost more money to do worse work.

    Palmerston North • Since Nov 2006 • 1717 posts Report Reply

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