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sup mark. dont be frightened of the PA natives. their bark is worse than their bite:)
...and i've experienced the routine racism of chur chur in both the old boy way of doing business, the subtle jokes about doing 'maori jobs' and the classic 'go home nigger' yelled by the bogan as they fly past in their cars, even had a bottle thrown at us from a car once. seems theres more of an anti asian thing now cos i've heard both whitey and brownie tee off on the asian influx being the death of churtown.
i say learn to love the yellow man not just their women:)
you can guarentee that there wqs *never* a triple star in any way of maori esoteric thought ( we actually used to think in 7s.)
illuminated thought from the gods?as mentioned earlier, tanes 3 baskets of knowledge from heaven represented in the form of stars ?
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Got to admit it is quite sweet
Despite our stinky jandalled feet*
We deserve an occasional treat
Cos we live in New Zeeeeeealand.Every newborn a buzzy bee.
Keep our nation nuclear free!
Day at the beach and a baaaar-bee.
Ao-te-a-ro-ha.I think it's in Tom Newnham's book Of Batons and Barbed Wire, which appeared soon after the 81 tour, that you see that two-thirds of Chch residents opposed the tour.
I won't be the first person to make the suggestion that New Zealanders were quicker to mobilise in opposition to racism overseas, than they were to stamp out racism in their own backyard.
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an opinion he could remember
an opinion he wanted to remember
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Hey New Zealand, you're quite neat
A rugby team only France can beat
A small contribution to rising heat
God! Kumara is nice to eat.Got to admit it is quite sweet
Despite our stinky jandalled feet
We deserve an occasional treat
Cos we live in New Zeeeeeealand.Don't dream it's over
Whilst we still have the pavlova
Lets us all sing a song of joy
For Sir Ed and Susan DevoyWe think we were the first to fly
And we're stuck with P to get us high
We must always blow on the piiiiiiiiiiie...
Hamilton has Geoff Lea-ea-landFrom dissension*, envy, hate
Ladies, please bring a plate
Men a bottle, don't be late!
This arvo in our free-ee land!Every newborn a buzzy bee.
Keep our nation nuclear free!
Day at the beach and a baaaar-bee.
Ao-te-a-ro-ha.**
So rally round our nations bus*
and don't you make a bloody fuss
'cause Dobbo and some clever Finn
will bring us home with cheery grin.If we just get used to coming second
we'll all be sweet, I reckon!
Sod the rest, New Zeeeealand.*Athiest
**Lets blow it out our nations butt
our deficit leaves us in a rut. [Edited] -
...and i've experienced the routine racism of chur chur in both the old boy way of doing business, the subtle jokes about doing 'maori jobs' and the classic 'go home nigger' yelled by the bogan as they fly past in their cars, even had a bottle thrown at us from a car once. seems theres more of an anti asian thing now cos i've heard both whitey and brownie tee off on the asian influx being the death of churtown.
Sorry to say this but someone of the most disgracefully racist (and misogynistic, homophobic religious bigots) it's ever been my displeasure to have to be civil to, lurk in my own whanau. It would be nice if arseholism wasn't so evenly distributed, but there you go. And here we are.
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fuck civility...it's overrated. in real life my eyes glaze over, my ears tune to the background noise and i just wander off in mid sentence rather than suffer fools talking shit.
people think thats rude but fuck what they think. they dont realise if i say what i think to them about them that would be even ruder.
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fuck civility...it's overrated. in real life my eyes glaze over, my ears tune to the background noise and i just wander off in mid sentence rather than suffer fools talking shit.
Aw... I do that too, even when I'd really like to punch some of those smug Mofo-bros in their grills until they just stop talking. God, when did I get so old...
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God, when did I get so old...
...when you stopped feeling younger partners ?
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Threadjack (had to go somewhere):
Just seen the ad for Pitch Black at Sandwhiches .
Off for a cheez whroll now...
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Bloody hell !!!, my second post. Already I'm an old-timer.
(PHILIPMATTHEWS):"...two-thirds of Chch residents opposed the tour."
Exactly. And there are some other, almost entirely-neglected, statistics from certain polls of the time which emphasise just how much Chch stood out from other centres (including other major cities) for its opposition to the Tour - polls not mentioned in any publication to date (but I'll have to keep stum because I'm heading for publication myself and, selfish glory-seeking bastard that I am, don't want anyone to steal my thunder).
On attitudes to Maori, an early 1980s poll found a significant majority of New Zealanders wanted to abolish the Maori electorates. Of a whole range of cities and towns surveyed, one and only one - Chch - expressed majority support for retaining the seats (and it was a fairly substantial majority at that. Major contrast, once again, with the rest of New Zealand).
I'd suggest that, at least during that period, Chch Labour voters were among the most progressive people in the Country. (based on a reading of various poll demographic breakdowns).(POLLYWOG):"...don't be frightened of the PA natives, their bark is worse than their bite :)."
Hi, Pollywog. Yeah I emphasised the 'deferential' bit at the start of my first post after reading the long and rather intriguing debate involving you and some old hands on the LET"S LYNCH THE LIBERALS thread - what I increasingly tend to think of now as "Pollywog-gate" :-) (bordering on "Ben.Shirmer-gate"). But it all ended well. No blood spilt, so that's the main thing. -
The 3 'baskets of knowledge' are part of a series of gifts from a creator-god (I write 'a creator-god' because there are variant myths.)
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Mr Mark, welcome. Some interesting stats on Christchurch there. I think it's fallen into a bit of a stereotype problem of being a bit of a racist skinhead hangout. People like that catch undue attention.
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hah mark...im not worthy of being gated:)
The 3 'baskets of knowledge' are part of a series of gifts from a creator-god (I write 'a creator-god' because there are variant myths.)
are you talking here of IO ?
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The Unbegotten is the source of everything in the esoteric tradition
rather than a creator-god per se. -
Is Io really pronounced "Eeyore"?
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Readers feeling the need to unburden themselves of other noughty thoughts are invited to avail themselves of the discussion thread for this post.
According to the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) agriculture census for 2002 (the census is done every five years) there were 21,904 farms were producing conifers for the cut Christmas tree market in America, 180,897 hectares (447,006 acres) were planted in Christmas trees, and 13,849 farms harvested cut trees. The top 5 percent of the farms (40 hectares / 100 acres or more) sold 61 percent of the trees. The top 26 percent of the farms (8 hectares / 20 acres or more) sold 84 percent of the trees. Farms less than 0.8 hectare (two acres) comprised 21 percent of the farms, and sold an average of 115 trees per farm.[21]..........
.....The debate about the environmental impact of artificial trees is ongoing. Generally, natural tree growers contend that artificial trees are more environmentally harmful than their natural counterpart.[36] On the other side of the debate, trade groups such as the American Christmas Tree Association, continue to refute that artificial trees are more harmful to the environment and maintain that the PVC used in Christmas trees has excellent recyclable properties.[37] In the past, lead was often used as a stabilizer in PVC, but is now banned by Chinese laws. Most trees are made of recycled PVC rigid sheets using Tin stabilizer in the recent years. Its use of Lead stabilizer in the old Chinese imported trees has been an issue of concern among politicians and scientists over recent years. A 2004 study found that while in general artificial trees pose little health risk from lead contamination, there do exist "worst-case scenarios" where major health risks to young children exist.[38] Another report, this time a 2008 U.S. Environmental Protection Agency report, found that as the PVC in artificial Christmas trees aged it began to degrade.[39] The report determined that of the 50 million artificial trees in the United States approximately 20 million were 9 or more years old, the point where dangerous lead contamination levels are reached.[39] A professional study on the Life Cycle Assessment (LCA) of both real and fake Christmas trees revealed that one must use its artificial Christmas tree at least during 20 years to leave an environmental footprint as small as the natural Christmas tree.[40]A small amount of real-tree material is used in some artificial trees. For instance, the bark of a real tree can be used to surface an artificial trunk.[41]
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Natural Christmas trees on the other hand are entirely biodegradable and are often reused by tree farms or local governments as woodchips or mulch.
Real or Cut trees are used only for a short time, but can be recycled and used as mulch or used to prevent erosion.[42] Real trees are carbon-neutral, they emit no more carbon dioxide by being cut down and disposed of than they absorb while growing.[43] An independent Life Cycle Assessment (LCA) study, conducted by a firm of experts in sustainable development, states that a natural tree will generate 3.1 kg of greenhouse gases whereas the artificial tree will produce 8.1 kg per year.[40] Some people use Living Christmas or potted trees, so they plant it later to help ease the CO2 levels, making it the greenest choice.[citation needed] Living Christmas trees can be reused for several seasons, providing a longer life cycle for each tree. Living Christmas trees can be purchased or rented in by local market growers. Rentals are picked up after the holidays, while purchased trees can be planted by the owner after use or donated to local tree adoption/urban reforestation services. [3]
Live trees are typically grown as a crop and replanted in rotation after cutting, often providing suitable habitat for wildlife.[citation needed] In some cases management of Christmas tree crops can result in poor habitat since it sometimes involves heavy input of pesticides.[citation needed]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_tree
Figures from the U.S. Census Bureau reveal that expenditure in department stores nationwide rose from $20.8 billion in November 2004 to $31.9 billion in December 2004, an increase of 54 percent. In other sectors, the pre-Christmas increase in spending was even greater, there being a November - December buying surge of 100 percent in bookstores and 170 percent in jewelry stores. In the same year employment in American retail stores rose from 1.6 million to 1.8 million in the two months leading up to Christmas.[101] Industries completely dependent on Christmas include Christmas cards, of which 1.9 billion are sent in the United States each year, and live Christmas Trees, of which 20.8 million were cut in the USA in 2002.[102]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas
Maybe this is not the year for en mass ;) reconsideration of how we celebrate this, but a time needs to come soon. As the cause for celebration dwindles, sold as transformers.
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BenWilson -more or less :)
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On the other side of the debate, trade groups such as the American Christmas Tree Association
That is possibly the coolest name for an organisation ever. I want to be a member.
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Are they the same ACTA who want to take away our internetz?
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(BENWILSON):" I think (Chch has) fallen into a bit of a stereotype problem of being a bit of a racist skinhead hangout. People like that catch undue attention."
Yeah, I think you're right Ben, Chch does seem to periodically beat up on itself over racism and I just wonder if it's entirely deserved ? Admittedly, my data comes from more than 25 years ago - and I certainly don't want to deny the kind of abuse that Pollywog and others have clearly had to put up with - but I do wonder if we're actually talking about a racist minority that is certainly LOUDER but also SMALLER than in other centres ? However, I'm hesitant to go too far, because obviously the contemporary real-life experience of Maori and Pacificas and Asians in Chch counts for a little more than old poll breakdowns !!!But I'll give you one or two more, just to make my general point:
In another early 1980s poll, a very large majority of people replied "No" to the question:"Do you think Maori are discriminated against or disadvantaged ?." In this poll every single town and city recorded a majority "No". But once again Chch was at the progressive end, with the highest "Yes" response (45%) - only slightly behind the "No" response (49%). Compare this with Auckland where the "Yes" response was 33%.And what's interesting in regard to the Springbok Tour is that Chch was standing out even in the early 1970s. Polls on attitudes toward the (ultimately cancelled) 1973 Springbok Tour revealed that an overwhelming majority of New Zealanders supported the Tour. But opposition in Chch (though still a minority) was about 10 percentage points higher than in most other centres. Journalists at the time speculated that this was probably the corollary of concern in Chch over the up-coming 1974 Commonwealth Games, rather than on anti-apartheid grounds. But, in fact, as mentioned in my earlier post, Chch continued to stand out throughout the 1970s and early 1980s on the issue.
I should stress that I'm not from Chch :-). Wellingtonian born and bred and probably spent a grand total of a mere 5 or 6 weeks of my life in Chch (mainly holidays). It's just I'm beginning to think they're a little bit hard-done-by when it comes to accusations of rabid racism.
Incidently, I gather that South Canterbury has long had a reputation for Far-Right tendencies. (presumably Ashburton, Temuka and Timaru ? The last of these, incidently, wasn't meant to convey irony :-)). Certainly one of the key figures of the PRO-Apartheid movement in New Zealand in the early 1970s was a National Front guy from Ashburton. The scary thing is he was also a Primary School teacher and I think (trying to remember the article I recently read) a Headmaster too !!!
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Are they the same ACTA who want to take away our internetz?
Now you're really fucking with my mind. And er, "all threads eventually lead to copyright" for the win again!
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Islander can you recommend a decent Maori mythology tome? In English...my Maori needs a lot of work.
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(GIOVANNI TISO):"Milan is the centre of Berlusconi's empire...that's where the hardcore of his electoral support resides."
Ahhhh, but have you any evidence to back that up, Giovanni ? I mean, yeah of course his ownership of AC Milan (I'm an Inter fan, myself :-) ) and his early background in the city, but I'm not so sure you can call Milan a real stronghold for either (1) Berlusconi's People of Liberty party (POL) or (2) his broader Right-wing Coalition bloc as a whole.A whole swathe of northern Italy - especially the smaller, wealthy cities in Lombardy, the Veneto and, to a lesser extent, Piedmont - gave the Berlusconi Right coalition more support (close to or more than 60%) than Milan (around 52%) in 2008. The coalition also took more than 60% in large parts of staunchly conservative/Catholic Sicily and in the Latina province (southern hinterland of Rome).
None of those places - even Sicily which is a major reservoir of votes - comes close to matching the importance that Milan plays in the Berlusconi empire. That's where he cut his teeth as a businessman, first in the construction sector then in media, and it's a major centre of power and the ultimate political big prize - everything else being equal, votes in Milan are worth more than anywhere else because ruling Milan gives you access to more resources and wealthier supporters. I'm sure he's pleased to clean the floor with his opponents in Latina, but that's not the true test of his strength.
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Certainly the one of the bravest things I know of that happened during the tour was the um HART strike team who drove inland from Timaru and turned off the TV repeater/microwave tower during that last Auckland game - we never expected to see them again ..... I believe they survived by seeing the police lights in the distance, turning around and driving back the way they'd come so that when the cops passed them they were going the other way ....
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..."all threads eventually lead to copyright"
damn. i was rather hoping that all threads led to slagging off christchurch...
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