Hard News by Russell Brown

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  • lotech,

    Back to the event itself - moving to Vector was mistake. Especially in a time when the music industry needs to reflect and decide what its roll is in the scheme of things. But instead of this RIANZ upsizes the whole event to an international sized spectacular - only without the budget to pull it off.

    The mosh pit was half full, the stage and bands playing looked tiny and under produced and the punters on the sides didn't bother using their free tickets either as there were large sections of empty seats.

    At last years inaugural Vector spectacular I was lucky enough to be seated in the furthermost row of tables and facing the back wall. I couldn't tell you what was happening in a room that size - it also doesn't help that Dai isn't the tallest man around. That night turned into a drunken talkathon with the people besides us - I couldn't recall a single winner that night.

    Aotea Centre made us all 'viewers' of the event by its very seating design. And the money saved on the sheer size of Vector could be reinvested into show design. Unfortunately for us all RIANZ signed a 5 year contract to be in Vector so theres another 3 years of this sort of show to go.

    AKNZ • Since Dec 2006 • 23 posts Report Reply

  • George Darroch,

    I'm surprised that Crowded House weren't nominated for anything. Time on Earth was a very solid album, in my opinion. And if being recognised Overseas is important, they probably did better than Pip Brown, as much as I wish her well and like her saccharine pop.

    However, with the lack of a best 'pop' album category, they're slightly harder to pigeonhole into the album categories. The lack of best male/female songwriter categories is just ridiculous.

    WLG • Since Nov 2006 • 2264 posts Report Reply

  • Grace Dalley,

    Great piece on stem-cell science!

    Personally I want journalists to give me FACTS, not feel-good fictions. Am I in a minority?

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2008 • 138 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    That night turned into a drunken talkathon with the people besides us - I couldn't recall a single winner that night.

    I only caught a bit of the show, but when the lifetime award was being given, it was very noticeable through the TV that a decent portion of the audience were chatting away and not paying any attention to the stage.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report Reply

  • George Darroch,

    Doh! I managed to jumble a few things there, Time on Earth was released two years ago.

    These problems eventuate when you're overseas and not paying much attention...

    WLG • Since Nov 2006 • 2264 posts Report Reply

  • ScottY,

    The mosh pit was half full

    Half? Try maybe quarter. And they just stood there. I felt like yelling "move dammit! Move!"

    I only caught a bit of the show, but when the lifetime award was being given, it was very noticeable through the TV that a decent portion of the audience were chatting away and not paying any attention to the stage.

    It was very noticable from where I was too. Kind of inevitable with that many tables encouraging people to talk to each other.

    West • Since Feb 2009 • 794 posts Report Reply

  • Kracklite,

    This I agree with. Dyslexia as it happens, can actuate enthusiastic pros writing.

    We get a lot of dyslexic people in the design fields, I find... which they can find a real problem when they discover that certain core papers require essays.

    It does seem to correlate with good verbal, social and visual/spatial composition skills, I've found.

    I remember hearing Kim Hill or Katherine Ryan interviewing Jackie Stewart, who is dyslexic, and he said that he thought of non-dyslexic people as "clever", versus himself whom he thought to be relatively unintelligent. I found that rather sad as surely you can't succeed as he has done without having other - and excellent -perceptual and cognitive skills.

    It's cases like that which have given impetus to the paradigm of multiple intelligences - the view that thinking is a collection of skills, not just a raw, monolithic mass of generalised brainpower.

    Getting a bit OT here, I suppose. Maybe I could go on about my musical tastes... minimalism, anyone? The more reptitive the better.

    (Re the student needed - OK)

    The Library of Babel • Since Nov 2007 • 982 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    I only caught a bit of the show, but when the lifetime award was being given, it was very noticeable through the TV that a decent portion of the audience were chatting away and not paying any attention to the stage.

    Yeah, poor old Dinah Lee. But she was hard to hear, and she didn't speak very well, and for a bit too long. And there had been two hours of drinking by that point ...

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22834 posts Report Reply

  • Simon Grigg,

    The album is mostly electronic pop, the band is rock.

    yes but it very much is not electronic in the spirit of the award, whereas the other two were. Hints of the year that Jethro Tull won Best Hard Rock/ Metal Album at The Grammys, when they were up against Metallica.

    I don't have a problem with Paul's post, it kinda had to be said, but the awards have alway teetered towards the middle and I scratch my head at a compilation album being awarded biggest selling disc, as the norm is that these things ain't eligible.

    Brooke Fraser international achievement? I'm wondering if management connections at the very highest level of RIANZ count for more than anyone actually having the vaguest notion who you are beyond a few youth church groups around the world? Bizarre. But the Tuis often are.

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3283 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Brooke Fraser international achievement? I'm wondering if management connections at the very highest level of RIANZ count for more than anyone actually having the vaguest notion who you are beyond a few youth church groups around the world? Bizarre. But the Tuis often are.

    That's a wee bit harsh, Simon. Fraser's Albertine album did reach the US iTunes Top 5 during the eligibility period, and #9 in the US Independent charts, and #3 in the Christian charts (but spent just one week, at #90 in the Billboard 200). That was enough for her debut to be re-relaesed there. So it's not like she's been a total nobody.

    OTOH, Ladyhawke's success is at another level -- her album peaked at #16 in the UK chart, and she sold more than 100,000 copies there alone.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22834 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    I don't have a problem with Paul's post, it kinda had to be said, but the awards have alway teetered towards the middle

    Since two years ago, you mean? Well, not that far, when The Feelers get biggest-selling album and nothing else ;-)

    I think we tend to forget how dire these awards used to be ...

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22834 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic,

    Eh, if we must have '80s revivalism, Ladyhawke is actually good '80s revivalism.

    Sure, but haven't we been in a permanent state of '80s revival since about 1996? Surely 13 years, plus the original 10, are more than enough?

    And there actually are 1980s albums that never get old.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5430 posts Report Reply

  • Simon Grigg,

    So it's not like she's been a total nobody.

    The sales were minimal though..it was a one week Christian buy and then, bam, gone. Which kinda makes my point.

    Since two years ago, you mean?

    No I mean forever, with the odd happy exception. Let's not forget the almost complete avoidance of almost anything Flying Nun in it's first decade. I think The Chills got a bump after Heavenly Pop Song. And the 1990s were little better.

    But I understand that (not the Flying Nun bit or the direness of the old awards as you point out, but the targeting), as the awards, like NZ on Air, are meant to sell the thing that is NZ music to middle NZ..that's their role and they do it increasingly well, thanks largely to the vision of Mark Ashbridge and Adam Holt a few years back, and the momentum since.

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3283 posts Report Reply

  • Jackie Clark,

    Well, I have to say I recorded the Music Awards and fast forwarded through most of them. I love Anika Moa - and I thought she was very funny. And why did no-one mention Andrew Spraggon and the funky fineness that is Sola Rosa? I thought that Iva Lamkum was divine, singing Turn Around. I don't know. Tickets to these things are wasted on you lot.

    Mt Eden, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3136 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    And why did no-one mention Andrew Spraggon and the funky fineness that is Sola Rosa? I thought that Iva Lamkum was divine, singing Turn Around.

    That came across better on TV than live, I thought. But I've just been at the vege shop, and it was great to hear that song ringing out instead of whatever slop is usually on the radio.

    Tickets to these things are wasted on you lot.

    Awww, miss! We get to hang out and get drunk with our friends! Isn't that what it's all about?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22834 posts Report Reply

  • Simon Grigg,

    I think we tend to forget how dire these awards used to be ...

    and how interesting and listenable parts of the middle have become in recent years

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3283 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    No I mean forever, with the odd happy exception.

    Ah. Sorry, I missed the "always" in your post.

    I think we'd agree that the awards have been much better in recent years, thanks to Adam, Ash, etc.

    They used to have all the glamour and excitement of a retailers' convention (which they virtually were, come to think of it).

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22834 posts Report Reply

  • James Butler,

    and how interesting and listenable parts of the middle have become in recent years

    Nope, that's called "getting old".

    Auckland • Since Jan 2009 • 856 posts Report Reply

  • Simon Grigg,

    Nope, that's called "getting old".

    maybe, but I'd argue that the likes of P-Money and Scribe, which sell very much to middle NZ, as well as the edges, are far more interesting than the first 5 awards in this lot from 20 years back. And stations like Mai / Flava and the alternative indie / dance stations have pushed a lot of things into the mainstream that otherwise would have been ignored.

    Mostly, give or take, and there is still a lot of shit, but NZ pop music, as perceived by much of the nation, has become a more fascinating and listenable place in the past decade or so. You only need to look at the two mega number ones this decade, Scribe & Smashproof.

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3283 posts Report Reply

  • Simon Grigg,

    They used to have all the glamour and excitement of a retailers' convention (which they virtually were, come to think of it).

    I think we may have been at the same table (Rose, Shepherd, Hood, Sampson etc) at the Powerstation circa '91, when no food was served for two hours and Greg Johnson had to physically helped to the podium for his Best Single award (and bought the house down with his short speech).

    It may have been chaos but it was a hell of a party and I think most retailers from down country left in some disbelief at the behaviour of the 'industry'. It was always a risk asking them to come to those things.

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3283 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Yes! I remember that one! Although later than '91, I think.

    Notable for the shift to an actual rock 'n' roll venue, rather than a hotel ballroom. And as you say, probably traumatising for some of those who came.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22834 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Greg Johnson had to physically helped to the podium for his Best Single award (and bought the house down with his short speech).

    Interesting to note that a few of the Stuff comenters were complaining about people apparently being a bit drunk on stage. They have no idea ...

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22834 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Oh, and this letter has turned up at the bFM link today:

    Sarin,

    I am Daniel Bolton's (Darcy Clay's) dad.

    Tim Moon has kindly forwarded your press release about the success of 'Jesus I Was Evil' with your listeners.

    I knew the song was popular and successful but I had no idea that its success and popularity was still so strong after more than ten years.

    It was bFM that gave Darcy Clay the break he needed and deserved and for that he was always exceedlingly grateful and loyal.

    He is no longer with us but I can assure you, your station and above all your listeners that it is incredibly heartwarming to me and my family to know that Darcy Clay and his music is still remembered so fondly by so many people.

    Thank you, all, sincerely.

    Bob Bolton.

    Fuckin' A.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22834 posts Report Reply

  • George Darroch,

    Warmly remembered indeed. Just take a look at this swagger.

    WLG • Since Nov 2006 • 2264 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Nope, that's called "getting old"

    rofflenui

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19719 posts Report Reply

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