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  • Paul Campbell,

    Michael: nothing wrong with being married to a Kennedy - just not something you'd expect of someone who's a staunch republican (Edward Kennedy being the tool of satan and all that)

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2623 posts Report Reply

  • dc_red,

    Does anyone else ever find themselves so despairing of 'drug policy', and associated politicking, including the utter hypocrisy on alcohol rightly referred to by our host, as to just, well, try and ignore the whole thing?

    And perhaps adopt an attitude of "I'll take what I like (if anything), when I like (if ever), and if you don't like it you can bite me?"

    Oil Patch, Alberta • Since Nov 2006 • 706 posts Report Reply

  • Michael Fitzgerald,

    Edward Kennedy being the tool of satan and all that

    Paul - that's all Catholic - oops I've said too much

    mae culpa, mae culpa, mae maxima culpa

    Since May 2007 • 631 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    Paul what's the prob being married to a Kennedy?

    Dunno, but I'm glad I'm not one

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    (sorry should have put a smiley in there - I was joking about Ted Kennedy .... it's really Cheney)

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2623 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    Incidentally, are there certain drugs that make you interested in American politics? Or is it genetic, like sci-fi, Rugby League and reality TV shows?

    I just fall asleep when people start talking about whether it'll be Barack or Clinton. I read the first 20 pages of Primary Colours and would nominate it as the most boring book ever published.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    "One of the terms they use is 'rolling,'" Shimabukuro said. "They get Tootsie Rolls and let it stay in the sun or melt it until it's soft and pliable then they put ecstasy in the Tootsie Roll and wrap it. Even if they (officials) do cursory searches, they don't find it."
    Source: West Hawaii Today, Published in 2001

    That part's hilarious. As I understand it, "rolling" is American rave kid slang for the the squidgy, rushy, nice parts of an E experience. Nothing at all to do with Tootsie Rolls.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report Reply

  • MikeE,

    "That part's hilarious. As I understand it, "rolling" is American rave kid slang for the the squidgy, rushy, nice parts of an E experience. Nothing at all to do with Tootsie Rolls."

    Not just american.

    British equivalent is dropping.

    Washington DC • Since Nov 2006 • 138 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    Incidentally, are there certain drugs that make you interested in American politics?

    Yeah, man. You wanna score?

    I'm happy with American Politics as a sedative, being an occasional sufferer from insomnia. Doesn't have the groggy hangover of other substances, although the bitter taste in the mouth lasts a while. But I prefer 1001 Arabian Nights recently. Have been having some pretty trippy dreams, waaay better than my last dream about Bush (with a capital B).

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10657 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Beard,

    "They can give themselves an enema," he said. "They put the liquid form on a tampon and the ecstasy goes directly into the bloodstream."

    Ooooookay, we're well into Brass Eye territory now. "Cake, the new killer drug from Prague, affects the part of the brain known as Shatner's Bassoon..."

    "... you can puke yourself to death on this stuff - one girl threw up her own pelvis-bone... What a f*cking disgrace"

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1040 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Beard,

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1040 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    Yeah, I'm trying to think of a more inconvenient way you could take your drugs than to put it on a tampon (braggingly famous for their absorbency and refusal to allow liquids out), and stick that somewhere uncomfortable and smelly. Then remove said absorbent roll (now expanded to 5 times original size) from a very dry orifice and find some way to dispose of it which doesn't block up a toilet or stink a room out.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10657 posts Report Reply

  • Danielle,

    That part's hilarious. As I understand it, "rolling" is American rave kid slang for the the squidgy, rushy, nice parts of an E experience.

    Not just rave kids, either. 'X-ing' is so common by now that staid southerners in their 40s with pickup trucks and regular jobs also refer to 'rolling'. And 'wigging', too.

    (Although the tampon thing is terribly bogus, I do know someone who inserted an E anally just to see if you came up faster.)

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3828 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    Brass Eye was great. Hansard has the question from David Amess, MP concerning the "made-up drug" cake.

    Mr. Amess: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department what action the Government propose in respect of the import of ... (c) "cake" to the United Kingdom.

    Mr. Sackville: Neither ... or "cake", which we understand refers to 3,4-methylenedioxy-N-benzylamphetamine, are controlled under the international United Nations drug conventions or under the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971.

    ....

    We are not aware of any reports of misuse in the United Kingdom of the substance known as "cake" but the advisory council nevertheless has under review the question whether this and a number of similar substances should be brought within the scope of the 1971 Act.

    http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm199596/cmhansrd/vo960723/text/60723w10.htm#60723w10.html_wqn10

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Although the tampon thing is terribly bogus, I do know someone who inserted an E anally just to see if you came up faster.

    I'm told it's true. Never been moved to try it myself.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report Reply

  • Simon Chamberlain,

    "Ecstasy goes into the spinal column and cracking the back releases it back into the bloodstream," [Shimabukuro] said.

    Untrue: http://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.php?ID=2969

    Shimabukuro said it takes 20 - 40 seconds to feel the high when ecstasy is taken orally

    Untrue: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_effects.shtml

    "They can give themselves an enema," he said. "They put the liquid form on a tampon and the ecstasy goes directly into the bloodstream."

    Liquid ecstasy is slang for GHB, a totally different drug. It has been known for people to take MDMA as a suppository. Taking it vaginally would probably not be too healthy.

    "One of the terms they use is 'rolling,'" Shimabukuro said. "They get Tootsie Rolls and let it stay in the sun or melt it until it's soft and pliable then they put ecstasy in the Tootsie Roll and wrap it.

    Russell is right that 'rolling' is just standard US slang for the experience. I don't think anyone knows where the term originated (one suggestion is because your eyes roll around in your head, another because it feels like your body is rolling). Nothing to do with Tootsie Rolls.

    Nice research Mike. Scary to think that this guy is being held up as an expert.

    London • Since Aug 2007 • 33 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    I do know someone who inserted an E anally just to see if you came up faster

    Did they come up faster?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10657 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Semmens,

    Did they come up faster?


    The theory goes that that the bowl will absorb more of the MDMA and absorb it faster, leading to a more intense experience. Apparently, you pop the pill up your bum until you "hit the little shelf" which is where one deposits it. Those who the lack the shame and mkae it a regular practice apparently swear by it.

    Sevilla, Espana • Since Nov 2006 • 2217 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    Those who the lack the shame and mkae it a regular practice apparently swear by it.

    It certainly sounds like a more intense experience. It also solves the mystery of why bad E tastes like shit.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10657 posts Report Reply

  • MikeE,

    "(Although the tampon thing is terribly bogus, I do know someone who inserted an E anally just to see if you came up faster.)"

    Shelving. Its a common practise amongst some people I know. Apparently its quite dangerous if its a capsule and not a pill, as the capsule will dissolve and then burn the insides, where as a pill will just dissolve.

    Can't say I've ever had the urge. Its an out hole.

    The guy who bought out said "expert" is:

    Peter Devoy
    Detective Inspector
    Crime Services Manager
    Waikato
    peter.devoy@police.govt.nz

    I asked him what constitutes an expert

    Yes Gary is an expert. He has been a 'drug educator' for some 25 years and his programmes have been endorsed by the FBI and DEA. I have spent some time with Gary and talking through the drug situation with him. His appreciation of how drugs (not just P) are affecting society is refreshingly honest and can be seen in my work (and no doubt the work of many of our 'social' agencies)........ I am not sure in what context he mentioned the 'P milkshake' but I have seen other reports which refer to 'strawberry P' where P is flavoured and coloured to add to its 'marketability'. I have just gone into the other site you referred me to and what I see there is what I'm referring to. The fact that people are manufacturing/marketing meth in this way does beg the question as to why? Without going back to Gary's presentation i am not sure how he referred to it, and I certainly wouldn't necessarily rely on the media being accurate! I do recall Gary talking about a Hawaiian P addict of 9 years of age!

    From the sound of it, he still seems to think that strawberry P is around.

    Washington DC • Since Nov 2006 • 138 posts Report Reply

  • Danielle,

    Did they come up faster?

    They did. But not significantly so.

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3828 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Beard,

    Did they come up faster?

    Is it smooth on the come-down?

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1040 posts Report Reply

  • Danielle,

    Shelving. Its a common practise amongst some people I know.

    Heh. I love people and their wackiness. It doesn't matter how decadent you think you are for experimenting with something once - there's bound to be someone for whom that experience is totally normal! 'Of course I've had it in the ear before...'

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3828 posts Report Reply

  • MikeE,

    Just google "Shelving"
    :-P

    I'm sure there will be something on erowid or other "enhanced" sites

    Probably NSFW...

    Washington DC • Since Nov 2006 • 138 posts Report Reply

  • Shep Cheyenne,

    And now the circle is complete.

    "A drug-specialist speaker since 1978, Shimabukuro has had lots of experience presenting reality to the masses. Recently, he spent 10 days in Australia and New Zealand, teaching police task forces there about the dangers of ice."


    http://www.kauaiworld.com/articles/2005/06/25/news/news02.txt

    Since Oct 2007 • 927 posts Report Reply

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