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Hard News: Friday Music: Reinventing Beatles

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  • Russell Brown,

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report Reply

  • Graham Dunster,

    Auckland • Since Nov 2009 • 184 posts Report Reply

  • Hadyn Green,

    Thus, the closing 'Tomorrow Never Knows' loops around to the Rolling Stones via Madchester and Primal Scream

    And now I want to buy a CD for the first time in... a very long time

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 2090 posts Report Reply

  • Thrash Cardiom,

    I've always enjoyed a good Beatles re-interpretation / remix. Here's Leftside Wobble's remix of Tomorrow Never Knows:

    https://soundcloud.com/leftside-wobble/the-beatles-tomorrow-never-knows-leftside-wobble-edit-320k

    CHB • Since Nov 2006 • 55 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Thrash Cardiom,

    I’ve always enjoyed a good Beatles re-interpretation / remix. Here’s Leftside Wobble’s remix of Tomorrow Never Knows:

    That one's a fave. Although not actually all that different to the original, which underlines how nek-level the original was.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report Reply

  • Simon Grigg,

    Unfortunately, that’s almost all you’re going to get online with this record. The licence Matthew negotiated with the publishers, Sony/ATV Music Australia, is not unreasonable in terms of royalties – about a dollar per CD – but it does not allow digital downloads.

    This seems odd. Once a song is published by the original composer there is no restriction on somebody else covering it as long as mechanical royalties are paid, and that is a fee regulated by statute. It’s called a compulsory mechanical license and is granted automatically.

    So he should be able to sell it online as long as he pays, just not allow free downloads.

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3284 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Hosking,

    Beatle-tangental cover version: Bettye LaVette turns Ringo's first solo hit "it don't come easy" into a swampy soulful blues....

    South Roseneath • Since Nov 2006 • 830 posts Report Reply

  • Richard Stewart,

    I'm loving that Doprah track. The autotune thingy usually gives me the screaming heebies, but there's something really musical bout the way they've used it. And it's a free download on Bandcamp.

    Got my tickets to the Skeptics doco tomorrow (cheers Wendy!) should be interesting. Always loved the music but don't know a lot about the band.

    I had been looking forward to BDO at the Springs; a short stroll home after a day of (over)indulgence sounded like something not to be missed. But I have to confess I'm feeling a little deflated after the first announcement. There's sooo much good stuff around at the moment so I was dreaming of something a bit more exciting than this tired and true collection of twilight performers.

    Pt Chev • Since Feb 2012 • 73 posts Report Reply

  • Simon Grigg,

    Just clicked again, that TNK (as Eno and Manzanera called it) cover is just great.

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3284 posts Report Reply

  • James Butler,

    I’ve always liked a good cover version.

    I'm going to re-tell an anecdote which I have used over the years as an excuse for my sparse (but deep! Honestly!) appreciation of pop music:

    When I was a child I seldom heard pop music in the house. One day when I was 9 or 10 I heard the sound of an orchestra, playing a tune I kind of recognised, coming from the stereo; I asked Dad what it was.
    "Oh, that's this record - "Ron Goodwin And His Orchestra Play The Beatles". You know, when you listen carefully, The Beatles had some good tunes - it's just a pity they couldn't play or sing properly."

    Auckland • Since Jan 2009 • 856 posts Report Reply

  • Geoff Lealand, in reply to James Butler,

    The triumph of middlebrow taste! I guess you also had to suffer Mantovani and His Singing Strings, and James Last and Jimmy Stewart.

    Screen & Media Studies, U… • Since Oct 2007 • 2562 posts Report Reply

  • Renee Jones,

    Hello - the online ordering system for the One Man Bannister CD should be all up and running tomorrow. In the meantime if you're super keen you can email Andrew: aamaitai@gmail.com and order one. And then your bird can sing :)

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 17 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Renee Jones,

    Thanks Ren. If someone texts me I can update the post.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    As it turns out, she crushed it:

    Did she ever! But claims that she is some virtual unknown don't really tally with the crowd singing along with the songs. Great voice, hope she smashes the US market.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10657 posts Report Reply

  • Samuel Scott,

    I concur with Simon about the Beatles cover legalities. They may have been given some cloudy info by Sony. Covering stuff is fairly simple legally if you are selling it in an industry standard fashion and paying your mechanicals etc. Unless it contains samples I guess...? I don't really know much about this stuff but this doesn't seem right.

    Doprah, I am liking this band...definitely one to watch as is Race Banyon http://racebanyon.bandcamp.com
    Teens making music who have no problem jumping back and forth from rock bands to dance music. It's the way it should be (was so territorial when I was starting out).

    Also, here is another TPF remix if anyone is interested. This one by Riki Gooch. It's pretty aggressive on first listen. By the third play it started sounding strangely soothing.

    https://soundcloud.com/the-phoenix-foundation/sideways-trance-riki-gooch

    We have a bunch more remixes coming. It's something most of the band don't take much interest in (or are perhaps suspicious of) but I'm throwing stems at anyone who's keen.

    South Wellington • Since Feb 2008 • 315 posts Report Reply

  • Simon Grigg, in reply to Samuel Scott,

    They may have been given some cloudy info by Sony.

    That's my guess. Listening to that great TNK cover as above, there was no requirement to go to Sony to do a deal. He simply had to record it and sell it legitimately, ensuring mechanicals are paid, and there is nothing Sony can do. You don't need to talk to them.

    However, if you do go to them, you are able to negotiate a deal that overrides the automatic license and changes the terms. From the slender information here it seems that *may* have been the case and Matthew has ended with more restrictive rights than if he'd not bothered. There are hundreds of thousands of Beatles covers available digitally and legally. I doubt most of them have interacted with ATV/Sony in any way.

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3284 posts Report Reply

  • Simon Grigg,

    Oh, and that SJD mix is just wonderful. Great song, perfectly re-realised.

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3284 posts Report Reply

  • Yamis, in reply to BenWilson,

    As it turns out, she crushed it:Did she ever! But claims that she is some virtual unknown don't really tally with the crowd singing along with the songs. Great voice, hope she smashes the US market.

    You know you've made it when they are playing you over the PA at a North Queensland Cowboys v South Sydney Rabbitohs rugby league game in Townsville.

    Since Nov 2006 • 903 posts Report Reply

  • matthew bannister, in reply to Simon Grigg,

    Hi Simon
    Yeah, I thought that too, but was initially cautious as I don't want anyone getting sued. But if other people support me, maybe I'll just do it anyway
    Cheers
    Matthew

    Hamilton • Since Aug 2013 • 2 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to Simon Grigg,

    You don't need to talk to them

    Doesn't the songwriter and their record company/publisher have some sort of opt-out / veto power though?

    ISTR Billy Bragg's "Route A13" having been blocked from release by Chuck Berry?

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Howard Edwards,

    Not the Matthew Bannister of BBC radio's Outlook programme then? Oh well.

    I have to say that his version of Tomorrow Never Knows doesn't add a heckova lot compared to the original (IMHO of course), and it doesn't have that lovely sitar sound that I've always associated with that song. Perhaps the other tracks you refer to are different?

    And if I may be allowed a "NSW is way more than just Sydney" rant - Splendour in the Grass is held in Byron Bay Northern NSW, about a 9 hour drive from Sydney (but just over one hour from the Gold Coast).

    Albany • Since Apr 2013 • 66 posts Report Reply

  • Simon Grigg, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    Doesn’t the songwriter and their record company/publisher have some sort of opt-out / veto power though?

    Not if you do a cover. None. And why would a record company have any say at all?

    ISTR Billy Bragg’s “Route A13” having been blocked from release by Chuck Berry?

    You mean Bobby Troup? It contained a substantial lyric change (to 'Route 66') so it was no longer just a cover.

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3284 posts Report Reply

  • Simon Grigg, in reply to matthew bannister,

    But if other people support me, maybe I’ll just do it anyway

    I've not heard the album Matthew but if you are just covering and interpreting the songs in your unique way, they can't sue you.

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3284 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to matthew bannister,

    maybe I’ll just do it anyway

    a reissue could 'evolve' into Positively Carnaby Street...
    ;- )

    <getting technicolour coat>

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7953 posts Report Reply

  • Renee Jones,

    If you do want to get a copy of Matthew's very fine album, all systems are go on www.powertoolrecords.co.nz

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 17 posts Report Reply

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