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  • Russell Brown, in reply to Damian Christie,

    Actually, just to be accurate, both TV1 and now TV3 (which shifted its demo upwards recently) target the 25-54 demographic. So you’ve got another few years before you’re ignored completely Russ. :)

    Phew. And you're right of course.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Hilary Stace,

    What we need now is a Super Size Me-type doco, but with the focus on infotainment/prolefeed/junk food news. If it hasn't already been made.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5446 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to Sacha,

    I’d be surprised if audiences for those cultural forms tend to the young and brown (unlike the ones who prefer hip hop for instance).

    And other forms of song/dance... when Witi's opera was performed in Wellington I was told that that was the largest observedly brown audience ever, in Wellington-

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    I’d be surprised if audiences for those cultural forms tend to the young and brown (unlike the ones who prefer hip hop for instance).

    True.
    But - occaisionally- they'll be there.
    When Witi's opera was first-nighted in Wellington, I was reliably informed that management had never seen so many brown faces in the audience...

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to Islander,

    Gah! Excuse double post.
    First one did not show up on my machine-

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • izogi, in reply to Rob Stowell,

    I know a few folk with analogue TVs and Sky boxes, who may miss Freeview entirely, though.

    Me too, to be honest, but in most of the cases that I know, I think the people pay for Sky because they're most interested in the sorts of content that Sky offers and so TVNZ7 would not have been their priority. Maybe there was also an element of Freeview channels getting visually lost between everything else Sky pushes through.

    That said, I have known people who have Sky or a set-top box on a a TV or possibly two and just left anything else in the household collecting analogue signals. From there it's easily possible to run into the problem whereby if the person controlling the main TV in the household wants to watch something like NZ's Next Top Model, nobody else can watch (and often can't even record) any alternatives except from a very limited range of non-digital content.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 1142 posts Report Reply

  • Will de Cleene, in reply to Graeme Edgeler,

    To the contrary, the second bid process was designed to ensure the highest possible price was received.

    Touche. One example why I failed Law. Nevertheless, it was the right policy for the wrong conditions. Not meaning to wave my useless BA around too much, but it's the old James Q Wilson problem of whether it is better to do the wrong thing with the right process or the right thing with bad protocol.

    Raumati • Since Jul 2011 • 107 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to izogi,

    I've just ditched Sky (bothered by their constant tiny rachetting of monthly fees
    & the fact that I only watched Maori tv/Heartland and a couple of UKTV programmes -each week.)

    I may get Freeview - but it is uncertain the service is available in the wopwops.

    All my immediate family group have had digital for the past 5 years +

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    acid test pHail...

    ...overruled by Stephen Joyce.
    ... Stephen Joyce’s standard response...

    You'll be meaning Steven Joyce...
    a big part of all magick workings
    is to get the rite names right, right?

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7953 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    E tika!

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • jb,

    The uncontrolled mirth at the assertion that New Zealand is the only Western country without public broadcasting was a tad disconcerting.....

    a.small.town.in.germany • Since Jan 2007 • 86 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Martyn Bradbury makes some observations after the round of Save TVNZ7 meetings he helped conduct around the country.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Littlewood, in reply to Hilary Stace,

    On The Panel this afternoon Jane Clifton puzzled at the strong reaction to the closure of TVNZ7....

    Meanwhile, her Listener stablemate, Diana Wichtel, has long been a supporter of TVNZ7, and was even drawing attention to it last year in her when ratings rule:

    TVNZ doesn’t seem to be shedding too many tears over the decision, but what a waste. The channel has only been going for three years, has produced some good democracy-enhancing shows – Media 7, The Good Word, Talk Talk, Back Benches, science shows – and has provided something we are supposed to get more of and seldom actually do in market-driven times: choice.

    I will really miss TVNZ7, and I hope whatever happens to take its place in the future will actually have proper coherent support by whoever the Govt will be.

    Today, Tomorrow, Timaru • Since Jan 2007 • 449 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    You’ll be meaning Steven Joyce…
    a big part of all magick workings
    is to get the rite names right, right?

    You do realise how much it hurts to have to correct that ... don't you?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    You'll be meaning Steven Joyce...

    Don't you mean, Prostetnic Vogon Joyce?

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5446 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    Nah - Thingo Joyce-

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Peter Calder,

    I have never understood this. I would have thought the group in society with most disposable income would be people in their 50s and 60s, kids off their hands, no mortgage, take a trip a year and dammit yes I wouldn’t mind a new watch/car/spa pool/barbecue &c.

    And to be not entirely facetious, who watches the endless hours of domestic and imported cooking and property unreality porn clogging prime televisual real estate? Who busts a collective gasket if they're not getting fed mega-doses of Corrie Street? 18-25 year-old males, I think not...

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Trevor Nicholls, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    What we need now is a Super Size Me-type doco, but with the focus on infotainment/prolefeed/junk food news. If it hasn’t already been made.

    Call it "fifty shades of craven" and it might even get funding.

    Wellington, NZ • Since Nov 2006 • 325 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Sacha,

    Martyn Bradbury makes some observations after the round of Save TVNZ7 meetings he helped conduct around the country.

    At the risk of being the subject of another Bomber fatwa, does that guy ever check a fact?

    Previous Labour Party policy:Labour rarely built public broadcasting capacity (Radio NZ’s funding freeze was frozen before National turned up) and when they did, with TV6 & 7, they trusted a TVNZ who could barely disguise their contempt for public broadcasting better than with Rick Ellis’s answer when challenged on the lack of Maori on TVNZ with CrimeWatch as his example. The other mistake was Kiwi FM. It was set up by Jenny Shipley as the Radio Youth Network, and for reasons Labour have yet to explain, they handed the 3 frequencies over to Mediaworks. This largesse was continued by National who have rolled this deal over with Mediaworks again last week.

    1. Labour never froze Radio NZ’s budget. It increased funding for Radio NZ markedly at first opportunity, and raised it by $2.4 million in its final Budget. This was arguably not enough (the 2007 KPMG report made it clear RNZ wasn’t funded properly to meet its obligations) but saying that the budget freeze started with Labour is just just … wrong.

    2. Kiwi FM was not “set up by Jenny Shipley as the Radio Youth Network”. The Youth Radio Network never existed. Kiwi FM was launched by Helen Clark in 2005.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report Reply

  • Ross Mason,

    We ignored that, and I really want to emphasise how supportive the people we dealt with directly at TVNZ were -- most notably, Philippa Mossman, Oliver Seely, Juliet Jensen and Paul Fairless. They're good people.

    And Juliet joined motherhood about a month ago. Perfectly timed!!!

    Upper Hutt • Since Jun 2007 • 1590 posts Report Reply

  • Simon Bennett,

    I will miss TV that treated me as a citizen rather than a consumer. That challenged and stimulated my thinking as well as entertained me. That dealt with issues in more than sound-bite superficiality. That took media, politics, the arts and legal system seriously. That reflected a world I'm interested in, rather than the vacuous construct projected by most commercial TV.

    TVNZ7 had come such a long way in its short lifespan and shown what was possible for a relatively modest amount of money.

    Hoping against all likelihood that public service broadcasting will become an election issue and that we'll see some action in the next few years. However, a stand-alone entity that is separate from the TVNZ resources enjoyed by TVNZ7 would be a much more expensive proposition.

    Until then, I'll be sticking with SoHo, the occasional show on Prime, DVD box sets and Media3.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 174 posts Report Reply

  • Simon Bennett,

    And I posted the above as a viewer and a parent, rather than as a practitioner.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 174 posts Report Reply

  • Ben Austin,

    It seems that a large part of the problem is that the people* in control, and those who will be consulted (newspaper journalists, owners of spectrum, advertising companies, party funders etc) are either not really that convinced of the need for public broadcasting in times of a budget deficit, or have ulterior motives. So in such an environment, even good, practical ideas around public broadcasting will probably be ignored or discounted.

    In the absence of anyone convincing the government to funding and distributing public content via a public service channel, has anyone got any plans to start some of web based public broadcaster?

    The webcaster model has flaws, that being that one pretty much needs to exclude people without computers or broadband, but it does offer a cheaper production or delivery process, if the model used by say Twit.tv can be followed. Combine this with some sort of kick starter/crowd funding for running costs (similar to Public Address) and an app with a payment mechanism and it might have the potential to pay for itself, or at least, defray some of the costs. It would probably only work for talking head style shows, but that would be better than nothing so long as interesting people and topics remained.

    London • Since Nov 2006 • 1027 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Semmens,

    Talk radio is deluged with ads for stupid magnetic mattresses and bee products

    Sports talk radio appears to think it's target demographic profile is a rather sad man in his fifties who sneaks off to to strip clubs and there discovers he can no longer crack a chubby without magical chemical help, so I suppose on the balance a future of magnetic mattresses and bee pollen isn't quite as depressing to contemplate.

    Sevilla, Espana • Since Nov 2006 • 2217 posts Report Reply

  • merc,

    Pollen-tics and the media be-hive (sorry Ian),
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=3250543

    Since Dec 2006 • 2471 posts Report Reply

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